If that choice coincides with His plans, it will manifest.
Will not respond to the rest as it's a sad attempt to get back at me for pointing out the obvious.
This quote's all that's needed to prove there's no merciful god. Read the rest of this post if you wish, though do me a favor and don't respond, unless you have something worthwhile to say.
@carlee,
you know that you have that choice not to follow God's guidance or believe in anything. if you think it is immature to believe what is said about God and is written in the scriptures, then you don't have to. if you think God is crap and so are his scriptures, carlee you do have that choice not to follow.
wondering....are you stuck in your thinking as you are mentally suffering and reaching out for help or are you so resolute convinced in your thinking and just airing out your opinions? help me to understand what is your point, carlee?
I'd say part of my coming here is to enlighten people there's in fact no god the Quran describes exists, with logic and reasoning. I'm not here to simply say I don't believe in it. I've proved there's nothing that has boundless power and mercy, or even boundless power and is just. You and some others simply find it hard to accept.
I believe that we don't know much about the "mechanics" of this life and it's purpose. Our minds are very small.
I also believe this life is a test and a school. We are given a chance to grow and improve ourselves to better and better states. The shit and suffering is part of the test... but is also a result of ourselves (as I currently believe)... and a necessity for us... but I don't have all the answers. But since we as human being do not know the secret of life and death and beyond, at least for experience, then we should assume there is MUCH we don't grasp, and should account for that big unknown... realizing we just don't know it all, and cannot determine how things really are, or their purpose.
If it doesn't make sense to believe in a omnipotent and all merciful god, then perhaps it is our ideas that are wrong or faulty. We think we know what is just and right. We think we know what is merciful. Looking at humanity in general and how human beings behave with each other, ourselves and nature, it would be more logical to assume that we are retarded as far as justice and mercy is concerned, especially on a universal level. I don't think we as human being are the best judges of stuff like mercy and justice... looking at our track record.. sooo there might be stuff about mercy and justice we just don't comprehend.
I'm also pretty sure that our ideas of God is also quite twisted and retarded. I feel one gets a better idea of God by thinking about what God is NOT. Also scrap the terminology one is used to when thinking about reality, like 'God' for example... there is just too much false mental baggage attached to it... keeping us stuck in the same old useless thinking tracks... trapped and misled in old habitual thoughts and ideas.
If there is something which doesn't add up or make sense... perhaps we just cannot see the whole picture, or we don't see clearly, or we miss something. Perhaps it is not the thing which is wrong... but it is our thinking. It's like asking whether almighty God would be able to delete him self from existence since 'he' is almighty. Or, whether God can create a stone that is so heavy that even 'he' cannot lift it. It is the question which is faulty... it is not a proof that an almighty God doesn't exist. The problem lies in our perspective of reality... not in reality itself.
But I understand your questions and thinking... and I don't want to give shine I understand your suffering... I can only feel my own... but whatever I have posted above here now, are things I have been thinking about for a long time... so I thought I'd share it...
Peace!
Thanks, and ha, you are funny. )
By the way, it's not like I'm saying something should've happened somewhere to make me fine. An almighty god can at least make me strong enough to take life, but I've always been sensitive emotionally. Some things normal people find trivial and forgettable may make me depressed to the point I'd shoot myself with no second thought. I never thought I'd say this here, but what pushed me to make this topic was the grief I get from my mentally ill brother. My most recent experience deals with a girl on a social networking site. It's been with girls when I've experienced the most devastating emotional events. The second-to-last almost ended in suicide, and after 2 days ago, I was fubar'd.
Although I'm sad, I can still think/be rational just the same, so I advise no one to use this against me in their argument.
I'm expecting otherwise to happen from some, especially those who've shown they don't read what's posted here.
Lol, ok, let me see if I understand your responses. First, the problem of unjust suffering. Why are there people who go through horrible things, never seem to get any relief, and end up killing themselves? There is no way to reconcile the idea of a just, loving, and merciful God with the fact that this happens. It is illogical. Is this a fair summary of your first point?
If so, then we need to talk about human logic and reason. Do you think we, as humans, have enough logic and reason to determine what is right and wrong? I'm going to guess that you will say yes. So let's think about it a little bit. Socrates believed in a monistic soul. This means that in every person, their emotions, reason, and will all resided as a unified entity that he called the "soul" of a person. And because the will, emotions, and reason were all together in the soul, all a person had to do was figure out what was right and they would do it. In fact, they would be irresistibly compelled to do what they thought was right. Do you think that this is correct? I personally do not think Socrates was right and here's why. Have you ever known what was right to do and you didn't do it for any number of reasons? Have you known anyone else who knew that something was the right thing to do and they did the opposite? Everyone is like this to some degree. We all know that world hunger is bad, we all have the means to end it, and we don't do it. Socrates was wrong. Our will, reason, and emotions are not united in the soul. We are not truly logical or rational beings because most of the time we do not do what we know is right. We are, on occasion, capable of some level of reasoning, but not ewnough to know the truth.
And since we are not rational or logical beings, do we really have the ability to judge whether or not God exists, or even is just and good? If we can't even bring ourselves to do the things that we know are good, who are we to judge God? We cannot know truth through reason, we can only know it through revelation. We can, however, compare things that claim to be revealed from God and see if they fit the world around us.
But anyway, since we lack enough reason and logic to see the truth, we are incapable of seeing the end result of suffering. It sucks, I know. But I think that is the way that it is. But we do not suffer without meaning. I will say some more about that later.
Before I end up writing a novel, I want to hear what you think of what I've said this far.
We may be irrational to a degree, though some things are downright obvious. Mental suffering high as causing someone to have no will to continue, eat, drink, or to do anything besides lie on the ground to rot (if he couldn't kill himself beforehand) is never justified. What I find to be sick and ignorant of human beings, especially in countries like the United States is they will try to keep people alive no matter what. They don't believe in euthanasia, since they believe there can be hope for everyone to change. That's not possible with me, since change has been attempted many times, and each and every time, I'm back to desiring death like a cool water fountain in the Sahara.
