Im in uni so do you think its alright to just try alcohol? just try alcohol?

Actually I m just going to avoid it cus i m not sure myself .. !

Don't try it. Its not worh it. This is what I said, and I got hooked on it.

cheema wrote,

. For example in one verse allah says appreach your women how you want, so thoes that mean we can have anal sex? as anal sex is banned by the hadith and not the Qu'ran. This is just one exmple.

dear cheema .
i guess there is no short cut to study , you have to put in an effort yourself , and let me give you a guarantee that you will find answers to every thing , it is just that you have to use your grey matter, you seem like a sincere truth seeker, and let me assure , you will i repeat you will be guided , just keep working ,,, any way this is an answer from quran for your above mentioned query, it should serve as an example how quran works and surely you will find answers to your all questions ,,, peace sikandar

2-223 Your women are the bearers of your seed. Thus, you may enjoy this privilege however you like, so long as you maintain righteousness. You shall observe GOD, and know that you will meet Him. Give good news to the believers

if you deposit your seed at a wrong place , are you likely to get "FASAL"? HE IS PRECISLY TELLING YOU THE RIGHTEOUS WAY OF DOING THE THING.

Sex is not only for making babies. Its also pleasure and a emotional need for women. Some women like anal-sex it gives them a more satisfying orgasm.

Well i will continue to call myself what i want,and there is nothing you can do about it mister,so learn to come to terms with it.....First sign of extremism is intolerance,another is dogmatism,a third is trying to control/dictate what other people think and do........Check yourself before you wreck yourself..........

But you're going out of your way to mock my beliefs. Why who gives you this authority?

Look mister,i can call myself what i want,i dont need to change the system known as islam because i dont believe in it,but my background is of muslim parentage,which you cannot change.....
ps; you folks either need to change/reform islam anyway because you cant even explain simple concepts like salat,and the terrorists/fundamentalists have hijacked a lot of islam anyway.....

Hay you can't call yourself a Muslim, you have no right. Why should you call yourself a Muslim if you class yourself atheist? No way. Who the hell are you more who thinks he can do this?

Is that how muhammed would have responded to a genuine comment???? There are people who are atheist and/or secular and still call themselves muslims due to their cultural background.......Maybe you need to learn some islamic manners hey....????

Well they should not call them selfs Muslims. Only those who submit to a god can call themselves a Muslim. A atheist doesn't believe in a god. And I also don't like secularism.

You can be all things to all people.....You can even be a secular atheist muslim.....Like me....

Don't take the piss. I am not here for games I am searching for something. Please don't take the piss or try to insult my intelligence. I believe In Allah and I believe in Mohamed as the final prophet. I have some issues with some hadith.

Also can you actually reject all the hadith and still be a Muslim? as you're not following the Sunnah?

Actually I have finished reading this article and I have a bias toward alcohol as I drink. However my own opinion is taking the verse in to consideration its OK to drink alcohol in moderation, so as-long as you're not totally out of your sense. And obviously the Qu'ran says don't pray when you're intoxicated as you don't really know what you're talking about or saying when you're under the influence. However, waiting 40 days before you can pray after you have smoked some weed or had a drink was always kinda strange to me.

If you don't drink, then its best to stay away from it, theirs no point starting. But I just don't want to quit drinking at the moment as I enjoy it for social purposes.

Allah knows best.

You all tell me to read the Qu'ran but it doesn't make any sense. You very soldemoly know what the story is about the historical background. Its all jumbled up. Also most of the chapters don't even donate to the context of that its going to be in the chapter. Sometimes you can know which battle Allah is referring to and at what time the verse was revolved and what was the context. You need the hadith too do this or, a Tafisar or else you can inpretpert the Qu'ran in various different ways yourself. For example in one verse allah says appreach your women how you want, so thoes that mean we can have anal sex? as anal sex is banned by the hadith and not the Qu'ran. This is just one exmple.

How do you do the prayers? If you go just based on the Qu'ran you don't even need to pray you can probably drink if you can handle your drink, have sex with your wife what ever way you want. Beat her is you want, accuse her of adulatory even without 4 reliable witness ect. Man can divorce the woman, but the woman can't divorce the man? In inheritance doesn't make any sense its totals there are mathematical errors. The Qu'ran repeatedly says obey Allah and his apostle, so how do you do that?

Just try to be a good,moral human being,dont harm yourself or others,study science/life, and enjoy lifes pleasures!!!

So then I end up in hell? how can you guarantee me?

Cheema,

Islam with a capital "I" is the title of a religion. You are right, many things in traditional "Islam" are messed up but that is because it is a mix of truth & falsehood, like most other religions. Thus, I recommend you return to 'al quran' ('the reading&#039 to see what it says about islam (submission).

But am not feeling the whole religion thing anymore. I just need support.

So anyway I was saying. Islam is really messed up, I don't know where to go.

Thats right cheema,i welcome your open mind and thinking clearly about what it means to be humane,rather than following religion/islam blindly....Welcome!!! sun bravo welcome

Shut the hell up!

Peace Cheema,

welcome to the Board.

Then I realized hold-up, Mohamed never wrote the Qu'ran himself
Err, yeah he did. Unless you're following the same hadith, you're talking of being hilarious. )

Peace

I will tell you something. about raping and killing

Nice story. I'm kinda in the same position. But to me I even find many other things strange.

... Well I am a Muslim, but am not even fasting or anything. Since I really started learning about Islam and looking into it, I thought this is no different from any other religion and legends in other religions. But I kept going back to the Qu'ran and reading Sura two. And then I would think to myself maybe I am making a mistake maybe I don't know should leave it.

By the way I am 23 years old male I am a Cheema.

Like now my head is screwed sometimes I get a really liberating feeling that great Islam is fake now I can drink and do various other things. But then I think to myself maybe I am leaving Islam because I want to do that. So then I think forget it I am not going to leave Islam but just live as a bad Muslim.

Now I have read the hadith some are pretty hilarious, my favorite one is "If the wife doesn't have sex with the husband then the angels curs her till the morning" lol and the other one "...women are deficient in intellect and relgion..." at first I must admit. I thought I can get married and treat my wife like shit and get away with it, I mean come on 4 obedient wifes who doesn't want that?

But then I started thinking, and I thought what kind of a dumbass person would that make me? I mean desprecting women like this. So I thought I'll not do that I broke my engagement off with my fianc? she was a Muslimah. I thought I'm just going to end up walking all over her is she lets me.

So anyway I realized surely the hadith sound odd and can't be from good, some of these Persian men were probably having a laugh while "compiling" them.

So I started learning more about Persians, and I found out they used to follow another religion zonathizom (don't know the spelling) before Islam, and they also had 5 daily prayers which they did at the Fire Temple. Now am thinking hold up this sounds alot like Islam, then it got even more strange, when it talking about cleanliness and you had to wash yourself before doing the prayers. Then I am thinking right, Mohamed must have got this Idea from them.

Then I realized hold-up, Mohamed never wrote the Qu'ran himself, so then I thought maybe these Muslims were getting all these ideas from other religions an making them and using them for Islam.

Things like Jinn I mean who the hell has ever seen a jinn? come on! and angels Mohamed flying on a Buraq going through space, I mean you might aswell believe in pink flying unicorns.

So I am really thinking all of Islam is made up.

What do you guys have to say about that?