It just shows their intellectual bankruptcy.

Starjade says; You may believe what you want but if it is proven to be true then it is true no matter what you believe. Iris is very knowledgeable. Again however there is that contradiction because of the matter of Jesus. Her faith certainly got shattered by my Revelations.

Nothing has been proven to be true by you. If you shattered her faith then she is by no means knowledgeable.

Starjade says; Sometimes I have to bring evidence to the table and that can tax my Time. On another forum in the arguments of who adopted Moses the wife of the Pharaoh as it says in the Koran or the Daughter of the Pharaoh as it said in the Old Testament. That took about a week as I had then to study Egyptian history to find out the truth. The Koran was of course wrong it was the daughter of the Pharaoh who adopted Moses not the wife.

Do not judge the Quran based on the corrupted claims of the so-called Old Testament.

I hereby name this as yet another error found in the Koran regarding the Korans version of the adoption of Moses by as the Koran says the Pharaoh's wife (in sura 289). This story contradicts the Biblical Exodus 210 version, which states that it was Pharaoh's daughter who adopted Moses.

Let me explain these things to you as the list of errors found in the Koran accumulates beyond your ability to give any accounts.

Egyptian history proves the error exists in the Koran. The Daughter of the pharaoh Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1 was Nefure Hatshepsut she was not married when she adopted Moses. She only became married when Moses killed the Egyptian and fled Egypt. Had Nefure Hatshepsut not married then the ruling Crown would have been passed onto another family. That is another error I have also named as existing in the Koran. However, the term Pharaoh is a Title and Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1. was called Pharaoh but was only a co regent to Pharaoh Ahmosis who lived in Thebes in Memphis. The Pharaoh Ahmosis was the main ruler of Egypt and so Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1. would only be the main ruling Pharaoh after the death of the Pharaoh Ahmosis.

Nefure was the only surviving daughter of Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. Nefure she convinced her father to make her little adopted child Moses his future heir. So Moses was set up to become the future King of all Egypt. Moses became known as Senmut which means mothers brother. It is a named derived from the tale of Osiris and Horus but I will not be talking about that. Historians studies show that Moses came to live in the palace at about 12 years Old about the same Time that his adopted Grandfather Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. Became main emperor over the whole of Egypt. At this Time they had moved from the palace at Memphis where the Co regent ruled and went to Thebes where the main Palace was.

At about the age of 18 Moses was designated the future heir apparent with his mother Nefure as his regent. She was now given the additional royal name of ?Hatshepsut? and was then referred to as Queen instead of princess. Once someone was designated as the future heir to the throne his inscriptions refer to him as ?King?. Moses was elevated to this position of heir apparent when he was 24 years old. When Moses became about 33 years old he was designated as being the Crown Prince and became known as Thutmoses 11. The numbers after the Egyptian Kings names are simply designations given to them by Egyptologists to identify each succeeding person of the same name. When Moses was 40 he killed an Egyptian and so as history claims Moses had to flee Egypt.

To prevent the loss of the Crown to another family Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. Who clearly was still alive otherwise Moses would have been crowned King Pharaoh. Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. married his daughter off to her younger half brother Thutmose who became called Thutmose the 11 and that was how Nefure Hatshepsut became married. So Egyptian history does prove the Koran is in error.
Starjade concludes. I had to wade through staggering amounts of Egyptian history to find the truth and it took me ages of studying Egyptian text. You see the Muslim argued was it possible that the daughter was also married to a pharaoh hence she could be the wife as it says in the Koran and the daughter as it says in the Old Testament. However, upon diligent inquisition it was found that Nefure Hatshepsut was not married at the Time she adopted Moses. You see I do look things up to be sure of what is true against what is not. The Koran was in error.

Thutmoses 1/Amenhotep 1 were'nt/wasn't the Pharaoh of Moses. Historians do not know for sure when the Exodus happened for sure.

Do you Muslims and others note the lists of errors I name in the Koran and the beliefs of Muhammad are continually rising.

I found no errors or contradictions whatsoever.

Starjade laughs so now she is not going to be in your dreams eh? Being stood up in a dream is an ego shatterer.

I seriously do not know what to say here!

In Cyberspace iris is very well known. One could consider her in religious debates she is a predator with issues.

Never heard about her and do not care about her to be honest.

Yeah and Muslims are getting the point as well.

No way!

Starjade says; Of course he stole his ideas and re wrote the text of the Old Testament and the New. That is obvious.

No, he copied nothing. God revealed the Quran to him. The 3 religions have similarites between them because they are coming from the same God.

The three religions are not the same the Christians believe Jesus is that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. The Muslims think Muhammad is that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews.

We do not believe that God promosed Moses to raise up a prophet in the midst of the "Jews". Muhammed is the last Prophet from God. We do not believe in the authenticity of the so-called Old Testament. Got it?

And the Jews already know that I have arrived. And that includes the Ishmaelite.

The Ishamelite? You really have no clue.

What is more the Jews claim they worship the Living God the Christians worship Jesus and the Muslims worship the Moon and Muhammad. I do not thing they follow the same God but the Muslims certainly do not follow the Living God.

I do not care what others worship ,but we worship the One and Only God ,not the moon or Muhammed.

Starjade says; Seeing as you asked here are the many Prophesied signs in the heavens and trust me there are more I have not mentioned. http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/chapterfour.htm

Then there is details of a Miracle I have already had a hand in right here on earth. http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/chaptertwo.htm

Crap. Those are not signs or miracles. I want a Burning Bush, a Walking on Water, or a Night Jouney.

It is only the Living God who has followers. I am simply the Living Gods Prophet. As for who should be following me. That is all the descendants of Abraham and some Alien residents.

Does that include Muslims and Arabs? And who are those Aliens?

Remind yourself Kuffar Peaceful Mind that already I have challenged islam and shown many errors and discrepancies that exist in the Koran. Be certain religion is not some game I play. However if you as a Muslim cannot defend the Koran then it is you who will seen as a Joke of sorts.

You have shown nothing so far.

You are illogical here. In Arabic it works for both singular and multiple. When God says I created the human being in the best shape, it refers to all time. It refers to every human being until the Judgement Day. Obviously every human being is created in the best shape, not just Adam.

"Verily, We create man in the best conformation;"
Laqad khalaqna alinsana fee ahsani taqweemin

The highlighted word is written in Arabic in "past" tense form, but is translated and understood as a present tense. Same can be applied to verse 7930.

So the fact of the matter is, "past" tenses in the Quran can be interpreted as present simple tense, which applies to 7930.

No, you are hiding. Can I mean two different things at the same time when i say a word? I know a word can have two different definitions. But can I simultaneously mean two different things when I utter one word one time? Am I telling you two different things at one time? And the answer is, no. Words can have two meanings, but an utterance of the word can only have one. It has to be ONE of the meanings for the word, not two at the same time.

I agree.

So therefore, that verse cannot simultaneously reference orbit and outer space at the same time or in the same exact utterance. So you're going to have to pick one. Is it outer space or orbit?

Which words?
I think

Falak
means galaxy/universe

Yasbahon
means to orbit.

Meaning I was the last one to respond to the point of the thread.

You are childish. You did not come here with an open mind, just trying to discredit the Quran by illogical dumb arguments.

There are multiple objects in your example. But as an individual object, such as the earth or a human (singular), something was created and it persists, but the act of creation is in the past. Nice try, but sorry. It doesn't work. Go try another one. I know you have an endless supply. The creativity of a young boy is endless.

You are illogical here. In Arabic it works for both singular and multiple. When God says I created the human being in the best shape, it refers to all time. It refers to every human being until the Judgement Day. Obviously every human being is created in the best shape, not just Adam.

"Verily, We create man in the best conformation;"
Laqad khalaqna alinsana fee ahsani taqweemin

The highlighted word is written in Arabic in "past" tense form, but is translated and understood as a present tense. Same can be applied to verse 7930.

Oh, that one. Yes, it still contained errors. So what? It's a recounting of events. The errors or discrepancies don't affect the meaning as far as I'm concerned. Remember

So it is not authentic. I cannot have a book that has clear errors in it for inspiration. Christianity is theologically vacuous..

Remember, as I keep saying, it's not the Gospel of Jesus, it's the Gospel according to (fill in the apostle's name). There is nothing that is being hidden about that fact. Not one single Christian will tell you that Jesus wrote the Gospels, or if they do, they are wrong. The titles clearly say it all right in front of you. According to Mark, or Luke, etc etc....meaning their recall and inspiration from God.

All Christians believe the Bible to be the word of God, to contain no errors etc... You are one of the extremely few Christians who admit to errors in it. I truly applaud you for this. The question is, why do not you follow any other book that has no errors in it?

We learn about Jesus not by being told specifically what to think about him, but by what occurs and what he said in the stories, or recountings. Who cares if there is a contradiction about the fig tree, That would probably happen with two different people's recall

See above. Also, I heard some very nasty things about Jesus in Bible, but I won't utter them because I respect and love him.

But it was supposed to represent a larger deeper meaning anyway, so the exact details really aren't very important.

See above.

If one is seeing every little detail of the New Testament, then one is not grasping the deeper meaning the New Testament.

Subjective. Anyone can claim so and so about thier holy book.

Show me one.

The Billions of people who embraced, the philosophers and scientists etc... Even Christian fanatics ( Pope of the Coptic Church) admit to this.

What questions?

After doing your mystics, how did it "suddenly" become a completely different book? Did it still contain the same errors? How did it almost make you giggle?

Who?

Many missionaries.

there aren't any to waste your time with. I've read it.

Billions have read it and found it full it full beauty, deep concepts etc.

More than one at the same time or same instance? ;D ;D

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I have already told you that words can have several meanings.

And repeat. I'd say last I checked, the ball was in your court.

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So what, the Quran is not talking about a continually expanding earth. That's the point. At best, it means that the earth has remained expanded after it was initially expanded. So your attempted twist to relate the Quran to modern science doesn't work. Why do you keep trying stuff like this? Are you proud to just pull anything you can imagine out of your pocket and throw it against the wall in hopes that some of it sticks? I'm not amused because it wastes time.

When God says I created the human being, He obviously means the continuous creating of human beings. Clear enough?

And repeat.

You clearly lost it.

Oh, so it means both words at the same time. Not a duel meaning word, but a word that means two things simultaneously. ;D ;D That's pretty cross eyed, wouldn't you say?

It has more than one meaning. To orbit, to run, to imagine, to swim etc...

Daily Mirror is a right wing Zionist newspaper, so do not take what it says at face value.

I am probably similar. Sufis have some interesting things to say, although they didn't get most of their concepts from the Quran because the Quran does not have deep concepts in it. They mostly borrowed from eastern thought.

You did not answer the questions.

Well, perhaps you can give me a few deep concepts.

Even the fanatic Christians admit to deep concepts in the Quran. It'd be a waste of time explaining them to you.