I really don't know what to think about Salat anymore... You may find this helpful http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602305.msg276524#msg276524

The problem with both Y-DNA and mtDNA tests is that they do not take into consideration of say your great great great grandmother on your father's side or great great great grandfather on your mother's side so these DNA lineages don't really say much in the end. It doesnt, that's true. But right here we're talking about population profiles, not individual ones. In this case, uniparental lines can give you a good picture of the overall ancestry of the population. Arabian populations that were not affected by the recent islamic slave trade have very few sub-saharan lines among them. Highland Yemenis for instance have almost none, whereas nearby Hadramis unsurprisingly have loads of them. Or if you want to close the case, just look at the autosomal (complete ancestral) profile. It would yield the same results. These idiots are claiming that Arabians are black, what a load of bullcrap seriously. Even east african hamites can hardly be considered black lol, let alone ancetral Arabians.

So, sad!-----The Ummah (Salafis, Sunnis) today say that the Prophet was illiterate. Allah Commanded the Prophet ---"Read" in the name of your Lord who has created." (961) According to Sunnis, the Prophet himself did not obey Alalh's Commandment, and did not learn to "Read". (Naoozo Billah!) ---"The One who taught by the pen." (964) According to Sunnis, the Prophet did not obey Allah's Commandment, and never picked up a pen to learn how to write. (Naoozo Billah!) How shameful!-----How shameful!

Salaam, the creation of Wahhabism, http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/87/119/

Wakas, Thanks for that info. I'm more clued up on the financial institutions and the mechanics of fiat currency now. I think your suggestions started my learning process. I wish I had known what I learned in 2010 a lot earlier. But i had the shroud of everything is normal and the way it always has been and always will be over my head. I was even resistant to the idea as a possible exaggeration of things. I know better now. Thanks. I wish I had listened to you and others a long tiime ago and not balked at those ideas in my head as most likely fringe, crazy talk. Godbless, Anwar

I'm reminded of the group that's claiming that the Jews are a black race. Either that's not true, or I must be color blind P

Peace again "progod", See this http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen#Production http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis_of_water#Efficiency GOD Bless!

Peace, The best way to live economically is to follow the sunnah of God in nature, to waste not so that we may want not, and to live off the land and connect intelligently to the reality that bore us and that brings us to balance and teaches us about God's sunnah. http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dK3iq_Yl5c&NR=1 http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc5gP9Nk5rw&feature=related http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdeACFj06Fw http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S6kTlz6Mk4&feature=related http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw7mQZHfFVE&feature=related http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugFd1JdFaE0&feature=PlayList&p=0FCC13F9D924D835&index=0&playnext=1 (watch videos 1, 2, 3.) http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=npB8qltaB6g&feature=related http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxXp_-jMWOU Godbless, Anwar Anybody who wants to see how they can get free energy and fertilizer as well by living off of the land let me know and I will post the videos. And anyone who wants information about organic farming large or small scale, natural building etc, let me know here and I will post all the helpful info and videos that I can, so that if you thought it was impossible I can show you that the best things are the most natural. And we can't afford to do without them.

Riseupmyppl, Yes, we know. That is why I started this thread to expose the lie that Latino/Hispanic is a race. Latino is a linguistic category usually applied to the Americas only. And the majority of latin America is a mix of African, European and Native American ethnicities and cultures. In different places some of these ethnicities and cultures predominate others. But 99 percent of the people in Latin American have atleast 2 if not all 3 of these ethnicities in their blood. Thnx for your observations. Godbless, Anwar

The Arabic dictionaries have different meanings for the word "foom " and the main meanings are garlic, or wheat (bread); or it could be any fruit (*) of a plant that grows in a bundle (garlic, wheat, millet, corn...) (*) not grapes

Peace, I'm not a big discrimator of Sunnies despite their misguidance. There is nothing wrong with beards and people are allowed to dress however they want. The Quran's religion is submission to God and that is not what Islam means. But I understand that someones religion should be based on their sincerity and will to pracitice it and not on their outer appearances or on the sensational and extremist acts of those who scream the loudest but represent the least. But we as Muslims do have problems. And you can take that or leave it but it is very, very true. In the end I identify for withi being someone submissive to God and a seeker of wisdom and truth and a lover of God's laws who wants to be able to fulfill them. I ask God to forgive me for the wrong I do, to give me strength and to help me understand what he wants from me in this life and to be able to fullfill. That is my religion. My religion is submission to God and my philosphy is consciousness (CON-with SCIENCE/SCIOUSNESS Knowledge). Godbless, Anwar

Peace, I just want to make the record clear that the word can also mean elephant but not only elephant. And that is only what I am trying to help others understand. In my actual text I include footnotes making clear the traditional understandings and also putting forth other valid meanings of any particular Quranic passage. I wouldn't say that if the meaning of a root of a word doesn't fit into every Quranic context in that meaning that there is no reason to understand it in a context where it can be understood. I think that both can be validly understood, and that the Quran is full of verses that have historical meanings but also have meanings that transcend time, all possible within that particular passage. There is no need to make life, or the Quran black and white when reality can be many different colors, as long as we are using good logic, sound understandings and sound knowledge (in this case within a Classical Arabic language context and a language context period (understanding things like context, and the use of generalities, absolutes and connecting ideas within the context of any speech written or spoken). Godbless, Anwar

Peace, Some more info on the nature of Arabic and it's evolution away from the Classical version over time. I agree with the above website however, and do not consider dialects Arabic, despite the fact that the dialects have alot in common with real Arabic (Classical Arabic) and continue to pull from it, since its reduced version (MSA) is used in the educational sphere. Check out http//books.google.com/books?id=2tghviSsrF8C&pg=PA103&lpg=PA103&dq=evolution+of+Arabic+dialects&source=web&ots=T8Nqgveucb&sig=PQKTDm0SqNKsLiDGKRMKz4LC6ZU&hl=es#PRA1-PA103,M1 pg. 103 " "lisaniyya wa-fasadat bima 'ulqiya 'ilayhaa . . . wa-hasiya 'ahl al-'ulum minhum 'an tafsuda tilka l-malaka ra'san wa yatula l'ahd bihaa fa-yangaliqa l-Qur'an wa-l-Hadith 'ala l-mafhum fa-stanbatu min magari kalamihim qawanin li-tilka l-malaka muttaridatan . . . yaqisuna 'alayhaa sa'ir 'anwaa' al-kalaam, Muqaddima, ed. Beirut, n.d., p. 546 This quotation shows clearly that in the mind of teh Arabs the changes in the langauge and the emergence fo the colloquial varieties were linked with the polyglot composition of the Islamic empire and the introduction of Arabic as the new lingua fraca. " I haven't read this book from cover to cover, but I will be ordering it soon. I like its approach from what I have read in the previews that they give of it. I hope I am offering beneficial evidences for those of you who are confused about Arabic and what it really is. Believe me, the Islamic literature is only telling you half-truths about Arabic. Godbless, Anwar

For anyone intersted in soil science and more importantly natural processes of how to enrich soil I have started a yahoo group called Super Soil http//groups.yahoo.com/group/supersoil/ Here is the intro line to determine if you are interested or not This forum is dedicated to pooling all information and techniques for soil building to possibly discover virtual supersoils; organic, natural and sustainable supersoils capable of producing amazingly vigorous, abundant and organic growth. Please give your ideas and experiences and the logic and reasons behind why they worked or would work. Paramagnetic techniques not desired. If this is anybody's interest feel free to join. Godbless, Anwar Why this site? Because God systems are the best, not manmade chemicals. On the farm this is being shown by erosion and the destruction of soils. Naturally rich soils have been capable of producing healthy, nutrient rich, natural foods that people are shocked at when they come upon such soils. Such was much of our soils until we farmed them badly and eroded them down. So this site is dedicated to using natural technologies to build soils up far and beyond what we have seen in order to provide us with abudant, whole, natural, nutrient rich food; not denaturalized, gmo, nutrient deficient foods from similarly damaged and deformed soils. FYI, the word for righteousness in Classical Arabic is Al-barru (or Al-birru) and al-barru also means earth and shares the same root with al-birru.

Peace, "They said, 'Shuaib. Does your pleaing make you responsible for us leaving behind what our ancestors served and were devoted to, as well as our doing with our wealth whatever we want? You are the most forbearing and the most most guided!" I put in brackets what can be validly applied to understanding but does not have a literal counterpart in the Arabic text (not counting the verb to be which we all know is understood most times in Arabic). This happens all the time between languages as what one language implies the other doesn't. I did this for your and others sake to show you how I see the Arabic and what it can imply although there is not literal counterpart. I'm sure you are familiar with this phenomenon in your study of the Quran. There are thousands of cases where the Arabic makes no sense literally to English unless you rearrange the English counterparts to the Arabic words and add in the words that Arabic implies or take out those words that English implies. On that same subject 9219 had me stuck for awhile for similar reasons wa maa li-ahadin &andahu min ni&matin tujzaa This was the most backwards way of saying something (considering modern English or even Arabic thinking) that this had me stumped for some time. It is literally 'and there is no one he has from a favor it is payed back/compensated for' It is referring to 'the most prudent' in 9217 It means 'And for him, no-one needs to pay back any favor he has done.' In MSA that would be phrase 'wa &andahu laa tujzaa ayu ni&matin &amalahaa li-ajli-laakhari Godbless, Anwar

mustaqbilun - proceeding towards, heading towards. Kullu maa yustaqbalu is related to the above form of the word. (it is the active passive present tense verb). That means that a qiblah is also 'that which one proceeds towards or heads towards' This is the reason why I have used a place of convening. Godbless, Anwar

well according to them i am clearly in the wrong... haha i remember what they think and said, but i don't care that much... those people are long out of my life and i am better for it

That'll work. Godbless, Anwar

Peace all The thing about Irshaad Manji is , that she appears like a an Intellectual giant among the Intellectual Pygmies -[ Salaam

peace be upon you yep progod i read bad,not extremist...but yeah i think im in the same group but mixed with fundamentalist,praying muslim too... peace