salam rami. you are not responsible for what others believe, or where the truth is written. you will be questioned on the day of judgment as to what you believe, and your actions, not as to what others believe, and their actions. as long as you are on the right path, the rest is irrelevant. allah is the best of those who guide.

Good observation siki! Here's what I think We bear witness about something when it's unknown to some. There's no meaning to bear witness to the messenger that he's the messenger, or to God that he's his messenger. But God bears witness that they are hypocrites because the messenger and those who believe him to be the messenger of God do not know they are hypocrites It's a fact unknown to some. bravo I agree yes God knows, but Mohamed does not, their intentions (what is in their heart), which does not match what they said "We bear witness that you are most surely Allah's Messenger".

peace, As a final note, the majority of traditional Muslims who follow the sunnah and hadith of the prophet correctly would not apply this to mean hit either, given that the beloved Prophet (SAWS) himself never hit his wives. I recommend http//www.quran434.com/wife-beating-islam.html

Salaams All, http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=11523.msg77955#msg77955 God Bless. MZ All of the above translations are wrong/twisted , disregarding simple grammar with an intent to negate the trandional thinking regarding MMA. You may pick up any ayah and we can thrash it in detail (The arabic) siki

Janabat is one of the derivative of root, jnb, which was/is used to convey a number of meanings. "Janabat" is a condition described as , "A situation after intercourse resluting into discharge of semen which makes a bath obligatory". lane, Jiim-Nun-Ba = To break or hit or hurt one's side, to lead one by his side, place or put a thing aside, to remove or send a thing far away or far off, estrange or alienate someone, descend and abode/settle as a stranger among people, to be remote/distant/far off/aloof from someone, shun or avoid someone, alienate or estrange oneself from someone, to be under the obligation of performing a total bath or ablution (by reason of sexual intercourse and semenal discharge), to be lateral or adjacent to someone or to a thing, walk by the side of another, to be gentle/compliant/easy to deal with, to be much of As this aya starts with O you believe,,, so i guess it should hold good for both, siki

Pentium 10 That explains why everytime I try dividing 2 by 1, I get 1.20923482905324534634.

Salaam hajirfm Saving yourself from hellfire does not guarantee you paradise. Salam, Respectfully, sister Samia. I don't understand this - if a person is saved from Hll, doesn't that automatically mean, s/he is going to Heaven? I don't wanna sound it's like black or white but other then Hell and Paradise, what other places or locations are there mentioned in The Quran? I mean, i'm just trying to be as informed as humanly possible. Thanks. P.S. By the way - we all know where we came from. Best wishes, Alen. Peace.

Any comments/inputs from the wise ones? siki

http//www.islamhukuku.com/Uploads/Sayilar/IHAD11__(p11-3860.PDF

Ma (What) Malakat (possessing of) Aymanukum (Oath of you)

For the benefit of Urdu speaking/understanding friends; http//haqeeqat.org.pk/paker/04/slides/1.html

Peace siki, I just saw this thread, and I apologize, I haven't studied this subject. Thanks for bringing it up, I'll look into it and get back to you. Maybe others can help in the mean time.

No I tend to think that he could visualize the Quran as a whole... there were no para-Quranic revelations in my view. There is plenty of evidence within the Quran itself that it was compiled in the time of the exalted prophet. Also, writing by professional scribes was common in those days... moreover, I think that if the exalted prophet wrote the Quran on parchment himself, it would have been taken as an idol for sure. So perhaps this was a very strategic and thoughtful move by the great prophet.

Peace Alen. Here is the verse- O you prophet, if the believing women come to make allegiance to you that they will not set up anything beside God, nor steal, nor commit adultery, nor kill their unborn children, nor fabricate any falsehood, nor disobey you in any matter which is righteous, then you shall accept their allegiance, and ask God to forgive them. God is Forgiver, Merciful.

Salaam Siki, adley i like your arguments,,,come on give me more,,,, Err.. that's the problem bro. I suck at arguments However, what the others have said really say it all. As Layth said, show them 6114-115 gazillion times if necessary. ;D For those who say that they agree/accept/etc with the verses, then you can use my arguments. They should be able to answer the multiple choices better now. On the other hand, you must have realized that my arguments will not work on those who are bent on not accepting 6114-115. The main indicators of these people are those who love to use the word "BUT" By the way, how do you want to approach this salat issue anyway? Pure physical? Because that might be the best way to start (at least according to my personal life experience). But I'm not sure whether you want to go with 5 or the alternatives. =adley=

Sheerk is putting an ?intermediary? entity between the Lord of the worlds and the person. Such ?intermediary? is from the Lord?s creation. A Mushreek himself lowers his dignity and puts himself to an inferior position by giving up the dignity approved by his Lord. While his Lord created the universe for him, while the angels are created for the service of him, while his Omnipotent Lord, who created this huge universe and all the microscopic worlds, is ready to hear and reply to his call, while his Lord is the most near One to him, he instead subjugates himself to poor creatures of his Lord. Moreover, sheerk is the gross and supreme form of ingratitude. Man?s consciousness is such that when the degradation and the ingratitude shall become manifest to him, he himself shall find his face stained with ashes. In other word, a Mushreek wants reward from or through an entity who is incapable. So he himself can not, by his own choice, expect Allah to have mercy on him. On the other hand, a monotheist asks mercy/forgiveness to One who is capable of providing it. So logically he may expect what he wants. The final answer is that, we can not impose our desire or standard on the Omnipotent and unquestionably sovreign Allah who is Wise and Just too.

Dear arnoldyasin, Thank you for info. I will first find the book you mentioned by McTaggert. It is correct that some scientific works are not readily available to the public, for many reasons. And there is also a certain amount of secrecy within the various fields of science. I may take you up on your offer later on, thank you again. Regds Ali Omar