Alright I might have said I am gonna avoid you, but I wanna let go of the past and make a fresh start as there clearly have been a lot of misunderstandings on both ends for us. So peace sister ^_^

Regardless, yeah the traditionalists like to think of us as different which is why they like to call us kaffirs so many times just because we don't follow hadiths. Now they are trying to make us sound foreign too. Next up they will probably just call us demons, dogs, or the branch they most hate (sunnis calling us shia or shias calling us sunnis XD)

I myself am a Persian and i'm a Shia-inclined Quranist. What that would mean is that while I do go only by the Quran, some shia views about certain things in it affect some judgment or rather the idea of Ali being successor of Muhammad. While there are the 12 Imams, I think it is possible God made these truly the successors but hadith wise when I look it up, I only use it to backup a claim to a passage in the Quran and that hadith which isn't talking about something already in the Quran is tossed out as being fabricated such as ones about not being allowed to listen to music e_e but I respect Shias as they at least take the Quran as their main source unlike Sunnis who let their hadiths abrogate the Quran oddly enough.

Because of how Shias view us, I don't tell them about my Quranist views for the sake of peace, and well the Sunnis... I don't even like to talk to them XD

Regardless as for the phobia itself. By just looking at the site, I am shocked at how they make outrageous lies about us. I am pretty sure they likely say that stuff in order to scare other traditionalists who are considering learning more about us to stay far FAR away from here. Which is a really a shame but if the traditionalist does indeed want to the truth God shall guide them here as he did for me when I begged him to understand what truly is what.

Peace Sister and let us start fresh sun

Okay, peace brother. You are right, we shall start from fresh group handshake.

Well I am only 22 years old and left sunnism many years ago so naturally my knowledge about them is limited but as I understood there is something called TAKFIR, which means that they are actually allowed to call you or me or any ''quranist'' for KAFIR which would lead him to become a MURDAD if the quranist had a sectarian bacground ( which is the case with you since you have a shia background) AND THAT WOULD ACTUALLY MEAN THAT WE ARE ALL ENTITLED TO CAPITAL PUNISHMENT FROM THE SECTARIANS !!! elektro elektro elektro elektro elektro elektro elektro elektro elektro elektro

Are these the Fast Times at Junior High?

There is no need for such name calling. Please read the forum rules, Rule 3 in particular http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8177.0

Stick to the arguments people. A well thought out argument uses reason not emotionally charged insults. If you have to resort to insinuating things about the character of another , then you don't have much have an argument to begin with.

As a side-note, I don't believe in this sex-slave nonsense, either.

Hello brother Jack. I have thought about your words, and you are actually right. I would try to stick to the arguments next time.

Thank you handshake.

Peace

Salam,

Whatever God says you should do is not unnecessary nor stupid, unless of God course you don't understand their purpose or you don't believe in God anyways.

bravo bravo bravo

If you are gonna call me a rapist, I might as well call you a freakin feminazi!!!!! I'm just stating sex slavery was allowed. If you don't believe it, you simply are disbelieving at that point. I personally don't want sex slaves but Misyar is NOT sex its a marriage so stop being stupid Feminazi who apparently likes to partner Muhammad with God.

That's it i'm done. DON'T FREAKIN REPLY!!!

rotfl rotfl rotfl

I said I wouldn't reply back but you just crossed a line. What right do you have to call me a sexist? (spell it correctly too next time) First off you totally LOVE to bring out the worst in people. If you had any decency, you would have read my posts before in that I do not seek sex and that just cause the one I love might want something in the future, I thought of doing a Nikah Misyar which is NOT prostitution or anything sex related but rather a marriage with both sides stating in their vows that provisions aren't needed on either ends and thus we could be married and if the woman might want to get intimate, at least it won't be illegal. I am 22 and have lived my whole life without sex and can live quite fine without it, so I clearly am not after that. I am after love, but if the woman wants it I have to make sure. And yes SLAVE have been allowed in Islam that's what right hand possession meant and always meant. Muhammad couldn't abolish considering the world ran on it at that time so he made rules for it so they can have some rights too. That is why you lost so much credibility.

Talking about sex is not haram, the act from other than your wife is. This is a script they be reading and a script doesn't portray what they really think especially since every idiot out there knows that it is fiction too. I am not sexist or horny, but you on the other hand have a stupid superiority complex of wanting to crush others with baseless comments and false accusations which i'm sure false accusations are against islam. Who is the sinner here I wonder? (looks at you)

and now you officially are in my ignore list too.

Lol. You want to have sex slaves and a misyar marriage and still you insist that you are not a sexist. In fact you are not only a sexist but also a rapist, since you support sex slavery and human trafficking which is rape and a crime in the West.

Well, lets just ignore each other from now. I really fear you would force me to become your 'right hand possession' in the future, so stay away from me, you rapist.

Bye bye

Can someone please elaborate further on laila qadr , whether it occurred in past only or happens every year.

Mohammeds behaviour was exemplary, yes. But this exemplary behaviour is not in the hadith. So the hadith associates a (made-up/rumoured) shaytan with this exemplary behaviour.

Are they then unaware that Allah knoweth that which they keep hidden and that which they proclaim? Among them are unlettered folk who know the Scripture not except from hearsay. They but guess. Therefore woe be unto those who write the Scripture with their hands and then say, "This is from Allah," that they may purchase a small gain therewith. Woe unto them for that their hands have written, and woe unto them for that they earn thereby. S. 277-79 Pickthal

So true. Hadith are the work of Satan hence following hadith are following Satan.

Oh God, its you again >_< you the person who quickly assumes the worst in me when I don't.

I guess i'll reply even though I don't consider you a good source unlike everyone else in this topic but I won't be replying any further to you after this.

You say porn, but porn is completely different from Seinfeld. Seinfeld is just simply the west in its everyday life where they do what they normally do whether it be live their life. They might go outside to some restaurant and one might order alcohol and pork, sometimes people in the west wonder and talk about sex with each other, and amongst other things that are common to westerners. The intention here is to show reality with some comedy mixed into it while not glorifying any of these clearly.

As for porn; porn has two sins to it. The first is that you get your actors to fornicate together thus you have encouraged them to do that with each other directly and the second sin is that the intention of this is to raise and glorify the lust of people by showing straight up sex.

Apple and freakin oranges, don't say stupid things. The aim isn't for muslims so I clearly am not showing that it is okay for muslims to eat or do such things as clearly in reality a muslim doesn't do that stuff, thus why the characters are your average irreligious westerners who regularly do these things otherwise that would be a lie on reality if the westerners didn't go by their natural lives. Quite frankly by your logic I guess I should make a move about why cars are bad too as they can be used to kill people or make a film about why women should wear "burqas" as being without one can apparently provoke lust. I am keeping these things there neutrally and not glorifying them as that is the real west. Up to the freakin audience at that point. If what I make which has no intention of getting them to do such things and some idiot thinks its okay even though its a fiction and not glorified, then that is their own fault, much like someone who could take a self defence weapon and use as an offensive one.

Also whats with you using hadith on a Quran only board? and let alone why would I care if Muhammad is angry with me? I praise GOD ONLY! I'm not some sunni who places muhammad as a judge or something, I am a Quranist who only cares for what GOD thinks. What are you? some Sunni Traditionalist?

Anyways i'm done with you, and don't care any further with what you gotta say.

Anyone else got opinions?

You are a sexiest. First you argued that you could have a sex marriage before your real marriage, than you argued that you can have slaves and even sex slaves and now you are discussing if making non muslims talking about sex is halal. Either you are just a sexiest or you just feel horney all the time hence you are obsessed with sex. Satan follows his desire and lust.

Welcome to my ignore list from now.

Peace

Imam al-shafi is fit to be called an asshole. He is one of the major inventers of hadith as he himself wrote many of the hadith himself and lied to people by attributing his own words to the prophet.

AND WOE TO THOSE WHO WRITE THE BOOK WITH THEIR OWN HANDS AND THAN SAY 'THIS IS FROM GOD' WHEN IT IS NOT, IN ORDER TO GAIN A LITTLE BENEFIT (QURAN)

I gave high attention to as much posts as possible in this site as I'm seeking for GOD's signs and guidance. I took very seriously every post which came from person(s) with consistent stance and life principles. I have high respect for these peoples no matter what their believe are and doesn't matter if they are knowledgeable or not. I knew in person few peoples with low knowledge level but the way they live life is much better than those who have knowledge. They always do what they say.

26226 And that what they say, is not what they do!

612 O you who believe, why do you say what you do not do?
613 It is most despicable with God that you would say what you do not do.

You know what, Quran's author was really an observant person. There are many that only 'say' but fail to 'do'.

Are you here to seek gods signs? As far as I can see you are not interested in listening, only in getting some attention by expressing negative views. Many people have closed your mouth so many times, but you keep on repeating the same attitude i.e ''sunnism is true islam' ''everyone who disagrees with sunnis are liers'' and other absurdities, and when i refuted you, you was unable to reply because you know i was right.

Anyways, good luck on your quest.

Peace

Dear WhereIsTheTruth,

It seems that something had confused your mind. It is regarding 'Muhammad', name of prophet.

Today in 'Film Making and encouraging haram?' post you mentioned prophet name as 'Muhammad'. Refer below

But in 'Dr. Subhi Mansuour on the term "muhsanat" in the Koran' post, you quoted;

And when I confirmed this state-of-confusion of yours, you replied

The character that you are displaying is giving negative impact to Quranist's reputations. You are among those who being guided by Allah and please be one.

Dear az2. It is great to see the attention you give my posts. Always good to have admirers. But sadly you didn't had brain cell enough to understand that I was being sarcastic in my post to 'film making and encouraging Haram'. You seriously lack sense.

Frankly if anyone is confused than its you, you avoid difficult questions post to you and you keep insist that sunnism is true islam. You was not even able to answer my post to you.

Honestly, i find it very, VERY hard to take you serious, and so do most people in this forum.

I agree with what whereisthetruth says.

AZ2 still seems to give credit to traditional, translations or (mis)understandings of the truthful Qur'an and taking for granted that any new way of looking at the Qur'an taking it as the sole source of understanding of itself is some twisting of Arabic. It often happens also that many peole comlain because "traitionalists" understand Qur'an "litterally", but that is precisely what traditionalists do not do. They do not take the Qur'an litterally. They take it to fit their "traditional", understanding.

It is when I started leaving asie traditonal understandings of the Qur'an in ayas where there was conflict and looking only exclusively at the Qur'an (and that is very difficult to do, not to be conditonned) that right and clear and simple things came to light literally.

Please stop gving to "traditionalists" the benefi of the doubt of literalism, they are not litteral. But of course their translations, for somebody who cannot look at the Arabic, will be literal, of course then they are not bound anymore by the unchanging word of Qur'an.

You AZ2 shoudl look at many threads where many questions are being dealt with and see where litteralism rules. And take your time. knots that have been tied many centuries, are not easily undone. But those who revere God's word should have the patience to do just that and that cannot be done in a hurry.

But, for God's sake do not take things for granted just because many peoole say them, or because the same people do not tire repeating them.

But if you do, it is your loss, not snybody else's.

Salaam

So right. That man just cannot understand we are not here to defend quran, since its only God who defends the quran. We are here to learn what the quran says without the hadith. This man also claims, that when we disagrees with the sunnites than it means that we are 're-interpretating' the quran in order to fit our minds. Ironically he does not consider the sectarians as 're-interpretating the quran' in order to fit their hadith agenda. This only shows, that he think sectarian islam is true islam.

Aryan Warrior all your topics are always related to sex.. is it a coincident rotfl
next time you will make a porno movie where you are the pornstar and than come back and ask people weather you have ''encouraged someone to do haram'' or weather you have commited ''adultery'' when its just a pornmovie.

Eating pork and 'talking about sex' have historically always been haram in islam nomatter if its in movies, just showing it or whatso ever. You should perhaps make a movie about why eating pork and talking about sex is wrong.

propher muhammed himself stated that you should not have anything to do with pork or sex, and know mashallah you want to make a movie on that so remember that prophet muhammad is angry with you.

DEAR AZ2

The point I?m trying to make here is that, the wind or wave of common sense, logic, reasoning and rationalism has and is slowly eroding the ways of life which earlier thought to be carved on stone, fixed and no change. Quran also not being spared from this wave as we can observe right over here in this site, Quranists are trying to ?clean-up? Quran?s verses to suit their thoughts and principles. Issues like polygamy, ?right hand possessed?, slavery etc. being viewed in different perspective as the original Arabic words seems not fitting the readers? mind. There are cases whereby Arabic words being left out after being translated to other language. It is not just the Quranists that doing this, the modern thinkers of the others sects also doing the same as they realized some of the verses in the Quran needs to be re-translated and re-interpreted to suit modern civilization and thinking. It

Your point is baseless and meaningsless. Quranists are NOT trying to clean anything up, we are only trying to understand quran in the light of the original unaltered arabic words.

You know what your problem is? That you insist that sunni-version is the right islam. How many times haven't people told you that we are not sunnites? Your examples of polygamy, right hands possessed (whatever that means) slavery etc. are viewed differently only because we dont have any ahadith to support these craps.

The quran does not need to be re-translated or re-interpreted, it only needs to be understood without ahadith and in its orginal meaning and than it would fit every timeage and every century.

Again and again you try to blackmail people in this forum by sunnism, you somehow wants us to feel sorry for what the sunniites did or do, and you somehow wants us to excuse and defend their actions or their understanding of the quran. Why should we do that when we have nothing to do with them??? Now shall I also blame you for what secular Stalin did?

Iblis was the Jinn that tempted Adam during the beginning of humanity....

234 We said to the angels, "Submit to Adam," so they submitted except for Iblis, he refused and became arrogant, and became of the ingrates.

1531 except Iblis (Satan). He refused to be with the prostrators.
1532 He said, "O Iblis (Satan), why are you not with the prostrators?"

1761 When we said to the angels, "Fall prostrate before Adam," they fell prostrate, except Satan. He said, "Shall I prostrate to one You created from mud?"

711 We created you, then we shaped you, then we said to the angels, "Fall prostrate before Adam." They fell prostrate, except Iblees (Satan); he was not with the prostrators.

1850 We said to the angels, "Fall prostrate before Adam." They fell prostrate, except Satan(iblees). He became a jinn, for he disobeyed the order of his Lord. Will you choose him and his descendants as lords instead of Me, even though they are your enemies? What a miserable substitute!

2695 As well as all the soldiers of Iblees(iblees).
2695 Wajunoodu ibleesa ajmaAAoona

Fact #1 ALL arabic references of Iblis point to the satan that lived during Adam's time. Every single use of the word in the Quran.

Rajm (meaning expulsion) is used to describe Shaytan .

The Quran describes Satan with the word RaJyM (336; 1517; 1534; 1698; 3877; 8125).

Note Sura 3877 He said, "Therefore exit from it, you are outcast." (Iblees)

Shaytan and Ibles are used differently in the Quran. It is my view that Shaytan is a general term , it's more like a title or nickname given to Iblees. Iblees on the other hand is the REAL name of the Shaytan that existed during Adam's time.

Notice the simlarities between Satan and Iblees....

5819 The devil has overtaken them, and has caused them to forget the remembrance of God. These are the party of the devil (iz'bu l-shayni) . Absolutely, the party of the devil are the losers.

2695 As well as all the soldiers of Iblees
2695 Wajunoodu ibleesa ajmaAAoona

Shaytan and Iblees are one and the same. Iblees according to the Quran is Shaytan's proper name and Shaytan is a general term , more like a title or a nickname if you will.

Iblees aka Satan. Iblees is the real name. Satan is general name which he is referred too by many.

Peace,

Kevin.

Thanks for sharing your analyse brother. You mean to say that being 'satan' is his profession while his name is Iblees. I will just return in case of more questions, since this is a very intresting topic indeed.

Narrated 'Asim bin Sulaiman (Radi-Allahu 'anhu)

I asked Anas bin Malik about Safa and Marwa. Anas replied, "We used to consider (i.e. going around) them a custom of the Pre-islamic period of Ignorance, so when Islam came, we gave up going around them. Then Allah revealed" "Verily, Safa and Marwa (i.e. two mountains at Makkah) are among the Symbols of Allah. So it is not harmful of those who perform the Hajj of the House (of Allah) or perform the 'Umra to ambulate (Tawaf) between them." (2.158

'Urwa b. Zabair reported I said to 'A'isha, the wife of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) I do not see any (fault) in one who does not circumambl" te between al-Safa' and al-Marwa, and I do not mind if I do not circumambulate between them, whereupon she said O, the son of my sister, what you say is wrong. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) observed Sa'i and so did the Muslims. So it is a Sunnah (of the Prophet). And it was a common practice (with the pagan Arabs) that those who pronounced Talbiya for the wretched al-Manat, situated at Mushalla, did not observe Sa'i between al-Safa' and al-Marwa. With the advent of Islam, we asked Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) about this practice, and (it was on this occasion) that Allah, the Exalted and Majestic, revealed this verse" Verily al-Safa' and al-Marwa are among the Signs of Allah" ; so he who performed Hajj or 'Umra it is no sin on him if he circumambulates them. And if it were as you state, (then the wording would have been)" There is no harm for him, that he should not circumambulate round them." Zuhri said I made a mention of that to Abu Bakr b. 'Abd al- Rahman b. al-Harith b. Hisham; he was impressed by that and said This is what is called knowledge. And I have heard many a scholar saying Many of the Arabs who did not circumambulate between al-Safa' and al-Marwa caid Our circumambulation between these two hills is an act of ignorance; whereas others among the Ansar said We have been commanded to circumambulate the House, and not Commanded to run between al-Safa' and al-Marwa. So Allah, the Exalted and Majestic, revealed thia verse" Verily al-Safa' and al-Marwa are among the Signs of Allah." Abu Bakr b. 'Abd al-Rahman said I think that this (verse) has been revealed for such and such (persons).

Like I said before, many of these rituals were performed by the pagan arabs before Islam. The Koran wanted it to be done for God alone and not for idols. These rituals are common among mankind, but its to whom these rituals are done for that is the question. The story of Abraham and Hagar is fabricated since the Old Testament tells us that incident with the baby ismael occurred in Bersheeba and not Mecca, I think that the sects wanted to give Mecca a sense of exclusivity so as not have a rival haj somewhere else. After all people in Egypt and Iraq pray there and fast there. So would they not want to have a haj there also? Hence the need for some exclusivity. We know during the Ummyaids a rival Ka'ba was built by rival political parties.

well bigmo, Islam as we know it today is one big mess contained of early paganism, christianity, judaism, the real islam, old arabic culture and traditions, mullah opinions, conjecture and guesses, political agendas and a whole bunch of mythes regarding some muhammad. So its a very very confused religion. Safa and Marwa is just one of those pagan rituals before Islam. just one ritual which is confusing its followers.
No wonder why many sunnies or shiites when becoming quranists actually remains to be half-sunnis or half-shiites. They are victims of all that confusion

Maybe we shall start a new topic to discover and expose all the paganism in traditional islam confused confused I wonder how much ''islam'' there would be back after that rotfl

Peace

No, the jinn are real BEINGS.

Their nature is that they are hidden.

They are not DNA, they are actual conscious beings.

As for shaytan being within us or without us

{4}
From the evil of the whisperings of the slinking (Shaitan),
{5}
Who whispers into the hearts of men,

As you can see, satan is not "within us" but the whispers come from within. Its nature is to plant a suggestion in your heart-brain and maybe if you have evil inclination, you will follow that suggestion. This is no different to someone else saying "hey, let's go get some ice cream" and you're hungry and you fall prey to that suggestion.

The jinn are not constrained by space and time the way we are. Satan can whisper into all mankind at once. I doubt it's just Iblis alone making the evil suggestions however. It seems satan is a generic term for evil influences and Iblis is the one that started it all.

{221}
Shall I inform you (of him) upon whom the Shaitans descend?
{222}
They descend upon every lying, sinful one,
{223}
They incline their ears, and most of them are liars.
{224}

Peace

exactly guys, that was my point. That shaitaan does not live within us, but he can be our companion and whisper to us. All the talk about having shaitaan and God living within us is meaningless since none of them are limited enough to be inside someone.

Can someone please elaborate further on the difference between shaitaan and iblees since it has bothered me for a while now.

Peace,

The devil lives inside each one of us, and used our own voice when talking to us.. this is the voice that we hear in our head when we are thinking.. and the devil is always there and whisper his agenda, and try to push us away from God, this is the same voice that makes you angry and pushes you to do harm and turns you into an arrogant person.. in the end human have two simple choices.. if he listens and follows the devil that is whispering in his head, he himself becomes a personification of the devil ..
the other choice is getting away from the devil and getting near God.. peace serenity and true happiness.. it's all in the mind.. and being aware of this.

once again your absurd claims without any proof. Some people just cant understand that whatever they say shall be backed up with proves and not their own conjectures or guesses.

So can you please show me where the quran says that the devil is inside us ?

Peace,

I think there is a serious need to change the way topics are dealt with..
This is for the interest of everyone.
Because so far it looks like an arena, where everyone comes with his view and try to force it on others as being the true one, without actually reading others views.
well even if the reading is done, it is usually some minor points that end up being discussed, and then the whole topic is diluted.

There is noway someone will learn from defending his view whilst locking his mind.

I know that some of us here enjoy the ego trip and feel better by scoring points..
But this is a what Satan probably always whisper to us and want us to wast time, instead of gaining knowledge..

Our approach in dealing with topics has to change.. instead of diverging let's try to converge.
We all want to get to a better understanding of the Quran, the one that will drive each one of us towards good and betterment.
So let's this be our driving force, and not get our ego interfere with our mission, because it is this that will make us stick to our guns even when we know we're on the wrong.

The topic of zina is an example.

can the following be considered as a valid argument?

it has always been accepted as to mean Adultery/Fornication so it must be.

if you come up with such an argument it means that you don't want to know anything new and any new findings that might point out to a better understanding will be regarded as irrelevant.
Do we think that the understanding has been preserved..

Furthermore .. why bother giving examples.
Why do you always cite punishment as deterrents, are they really?
Capital punishment is still in place in the US and Saudi Arabia.. and they're still on..
prisons are full, and crimes have not yet disappeared or deterred..

Oh yes children so cute and of course they would be a good argument if they're involved..
Everyone knows that there are different forms of sex and manners to prevent any children..
have you thought about lesbians and gays?
what's there punishment ?
or should they get married?

I said this before, we are required to open our mind seriously and not forget that this is not a playground.

Peace

Guys, I dont understand this person. First he argued that he can have sex with everyone as long as he does not rape them, than he argued that kids should have sex. Now he says

if you come up with such an argument it means that you don't want to know anything new and any new findings that might point out to a better understanding will be regarded as irrelevant.
Do we think that the understanding has been preserved..

Something new? If its you think that everyone shall approve your new sexiest ideas about open sex markets, kids having sex, seeing you have sex with the neighbours wife etc. and than you wounder why people dont take you serious??? Well, maybe because not everyone wants to have AIDS??

Dude, you dont have any limits, thats why its hard to believe you. Secondly you dont have any evidences for your claims, keep in mind that most people are here to learn about quran.

I dont think there is something wrong with the way anything is dealt with in this forum, if you dont agree thats another case. We have admins to check that. I would suggest that you contribute to this debate by giving quranic references or other evidences to back up your claim, so that people can take you more serious.

Peace

Not easy doesn't mean impossible. It seems that you do realized that there are weaknesses in Quran.

The slavery issue is one of the Quran weaknesses. It will place its believer with a noble heart in dilemma because good people dissaprove slavery but Quran does not classified it as 'haram'. However, not many Muslim know about this as to them Islam is a religion that free human from any form of slavery and they assumed Quran had put slavery to stop. Quran Alone believer knew this very well that slavery is not 'haram' as they study Quran indepth (word by word, line by line) but it is hard for them to admit.

482 Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy.

Not to 'haram' the slavery is discrepancy to humanity feeling which had been the 'fitrah' of every human being. Let's carefully consider the Quran and accept the challenge made by this verse. If not much discrepancy to be found, one or two are inside Quran.

Sacred Months is another discrepancy in Quran. Quran claimed that it had explained in detail whatever things that god want human to practice per below verse.

6114 Say "Shall I seek for judge other than Allah? - when He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, explained in detail." They know full well, to whom We have given the Book, that it hath been sent down from thy Lord in truth. Never be then of those who doubt

However for Sacred Months case, the names of the 4 sacred months are not mentioned in Quran and there is no way for Quran Alone believers to know what months are the sacred months. There are major dos and don'ts during these sacred months and please refer to the following link for verses related to Sacred Months.

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603158.0

The names of these months can only be found in 'hadith' and this suggests that Quran cannot stand by its own. This is a good news for those who addicted to 'hadith' since Quran need those tales to complete or perfect it.

Peace, dude.

I really hope that all people disapprove and hate slavery. If there is someone who thinks that slavery is a good thing, than he should be sent for mental treatment. Or he should be sold into slavery, so he knows what it means to be a slave.

Secondly, didnt I told you before, that anyone who sets up a partner beside God is a sinner? MUSHRIK?

Hence BEING a slave is a great sin, the only crime god does not forgive.

Peace