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  • I just want to say

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    Can't remember the ayas, but God tells us to ask thing from Him. And He does answer, but the answers, whiich are to our requests, may not look like what we would have imagined, however, suddenly you realise that they have been answered the logical, real way. No "miracles", simply as things happened, His answer happens, just like everything happens, but we must be ready to accept anything He wants for us. He knows how and what, we do not. He is the WONDER. Salaam
  • A suggestion

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    We are hipnotized by habit and prejudice. Just reading the next aya after 4.34, that is, 4.35, we would be rid of the idiocy that entails having so many headaches at interpreting 4.34, and I include myself among the guilty. Recently I read some analisys made by a Moroccan colleague, who in turn read from an Azhari, which deals with whom is addressed and of whom it is spoken in those ayas and any other ayas. I think the vision and understanding is quite entlightening and besides without anything mysterious about it. Plain straightforward grammar and logic. Nothing else, no contorting no effort in fact. Plain common understanding. I translate from Spanish So in 4.35 the community is addressed and is instructed that if they fear a breach between the spouses , they should appoint an arbiter from her family and another one from his family. This aya is not addressed to the spouses, when the spouses are meant or addressed, the third person is used, he, or she, what in Arabic grammar is called Al ghaib. This aya 4.35 is not addressed to the spouses but to the community, men and women, and the same applies to the previous aya 4.34 It is not addressed to the spouses but to what the Qur'an calls "alladhina amanu", those who have como to believe in 4.29, since the addressee continues to be the same. when men are spoken of it says "they" (masculine, hum), when women are spoken of it says "they" (feminine, hunna), and when it addresses the community it uses "you", second person inclusive plural. That is, three different kinds of pronoun are used third person masculine, third person feminine, second person inclusive plural. Since most of those who interpreted the aya were men, they interpreted that the inclusive plural referred to the husbands, but Men (they masculine) are responsible for the care of the women (they feminine) by virtue of that in which He has favoured more each other repsectively and by what they (masculine) spend of their (third person masculine) wealth. Virtuous women (they feminine) are those devoted to God who guard what God has guarded. As to those (they feminine) from whom you (second person inclusive plural) fear nushuz, warn them, leave them in their place, make them realise, but if they comply, do not harm them. God indeed is most high most great. With the masculine component of the couple he uses the third person, he, they (masculine), with the feminine component, it uses she, they(feminine), and when the society is addressed (males and females) it uses the second person You who have come to believe. There is more to add, but I am quite busy now, I will complete it later. Salaam I will continue here the translation of the text as announced Except for the case where males are clearly addressed as "you (plural)" as the part of that community directly responsible for that, in as much as they are part of that community and personally responsible of following those instructions, as is done in 4-19-22, where they are told to not do the evil deeds they used to practice in the pre-islamic society such as inherit women and exact from them the return of wealth and to marry the wives of the fathers. After that, the pronouns follow the usual usage he for the husband, she for the wife, and you (plural) for the community, starting the speeach anew with "Ya ayuha alladhina amanu" Oh you who have come to believe... in 4.29. And the addressee is not changed after that it being "alladhina amanu", so the "you" plural is still the community, and the parts of it alluded in the ayas are those named in the third person. It is a basic and common fact of grammar. To choose a meaning for da-ra-ba en the aya depends on the time, the circumstances and the environment in which that community of believers finds itself. The Qur'an sets forth a variety of meanings of daraba, some refer to orientation and teachings, for instance, da-ra-ba an examle, or simil or as a treatment, 38.44, or da-ra-ba as separate or impose (57.13)... Basically to act with da-ra-ba. It is left to those in charge of social assistance within the community. May be what most pushed the interpreters to take it that with you(plural) it is addressing the husbands was the following expression of "wa hujuruhunna fil maDaji3" (leave them alone in bed), which they understood as "stop going to bed with them", while the meaning is such as correctly translated by Asad as "leave them alone in bed", since the "maDaji3", according to the Qur'an are precisely that the homes, or the corresponding places, as we see in 3.154 "Say "Even if you had remained in your homes (where they were meant to lie), those for whom death was decreed would certainly have gone forth to the place of their death" and in 32.16 Their sides forsake their beds, and they call upon their Lord in fear and hope, and expend (in charity) out of the sustenance We have granted them. (16) Neither does the Qur'an say that first warn, then leave alone in the bed and then da-ra-ba, and that comes as a consequence of understanding the text as addressed to the husband. It is conspicuous in Asad's translation, adding words that are not in the text that, according to him, are explanatory (warn them ; then leave them alone in bed, then hit them... But in the case of it being the woman who fears nushuz from the husband, it is clear that it is not addressing the community (you (plural)) but to the husband and the wife using for that purpose the same as has been used all along for the case he and she who are they. "They" is not addressed to the community (you (plural)), but to the couple to come to conciliation, and reconciling is better for each of them. In the case of fearing nushuz from the wife, the question is not left int he hands of the husband, but in those of the community or the legislator to proceed as may be fit. In the case of fearing rebeliousness from the husband it is left in the hands of both of them to reconcile, it is felt that the Rabb caresses both of them, advising in general to avoid selfishness and calling to act virtuously and fear Him and have cosncience of Him, He who kows all we hide. So here ends the translation. By sheer grammar it is transparent that nowhere husbands ar authorized, least of all called to behave as administrators of justice for the wives. It is so indredibly plain that one wonders from where the possibility of error can have been had. There is whole long work by wakas in www.quran434.com as to the meanings of daraba in the Qur'an With cooler and cooler minds on the divine reading hopefully the meaninglessness and ridiculousness of the beating notion will become more and more manifest and overwhelming even for the most hypnotized of its upholders, which most of us have initially been, for lack of knowledge and through acceptance of handed down concepts. Salaam
  • Mannerism - discussions

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    Salam moderator @SarahY. Thank you for this reminder to us.Yeah, because this is online forum all people with "different background" can enter freely, even 13 years old boy and troublemakers can registered .The user named @pixelrow (who had already banned) is the example. For you all free-minders, I have some tips about troublemaker/intruder user, because I already experienced in another online forums, so I'm not shocked to met someone like @pixelrow.This is the tips Characteristics of troublemaker users Mostly they're still a teenager, unemployment colleger, or some adult with unstable personality. Their debate is based on emotional thinking, stubborn and lack of intellegence.So debate with them will NO ENDING. Of course their post are aggresive and insulting others. They often online for hours. Mostly they're not well studied, and most of their knowledge is from internet. How to face them If their post insulting you, then slow down your emotion and do not let them play your emotion.If you angry and replied their post, it means you already provoked by them and your post may contain aggresive word as their post. If you're in emotional state during debate with them.Then the debate will only waste the pages, not straight to the point, and most of the post contain ad hominem and bad words.Of course in Islam isn't allowed and only make you a sinner. Use evidences from the books, literatures n your knowledges and don't use internet as your primary sources. The safest way against them is ignore their posts. Well it's my opinion, it's not perfect and may contain some mistakes.Hopefully it will help you all.
  • Quranist combat kit

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    peace andantino, all, you may find these threads useful http//forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.php?t=29404 http//forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.php?t=16929 From http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9601393.msg267801#msg267801
  • An article on - Ablution and Cosmetics

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    Take your time. I had to put everything on hold for the past couple of months because of exam and now I am in search of the Truth about salat. Thanks for understanding, I'll hopefully - as per the will and law of God - reply in early June this year. Adornment -does the Arabic word refer to clothes only or does it include jewellery, make up and accessories ? What is the purpose of wearing cosmetics? For some women it is to "be more attractive" or to appear more beautiful. Can we be spiritually pure if we are in a state of mind of being dissatisfied with ourselves as God made us and feel a deep seated insecurity of being our "natural self" ? Or if we feel the need to enhance our attributes to attract attention from men and compete against "rival" females is that compatible with spiritual purity? For some women wearing make up/cosmetics, jewellery etc is an outlet for their individual creativity rather than insecurity about their physical appearance or a need to attract attention. So does spiritual purity in relation to make up/ cosmetics / depend on why we wear it? The word is 'Zeenat'; it refers to 'beauty' in general. And no, I believe it can be understood as keeping oneself morally beautiful, that is, spiritually pure. On the other hand, as far as physically beautifying oneself is concerned, like you said, it is not necessary that you do that to attract the opposite gender or compete with the same gender, rather, it can be done for oneself as well. Keeping oneself clean, and adorned certainly is "an outlet for their individual creativity". For what, using cosmetics is ok or not during salat, it will bring out new problem. This is the problem What is the meaning of "clean" according to the Quran epecially from verse 56 interpretation? Is cosmetics belongs to "najis cattegory" according to the Quran especially in salat condition? If this two question answered, maybe this cosmetics problems anwered too. Like I said, there are two roots used in the verses, 't-h-r' and 'gh-s-l', and in the verb form, the former 90% of the times I have seen it in the Quran is used to denote 'spiritually cleaning oneself/purifying oneself', and the latter is used to denote 'physical washing/cleaning oneself'. And I don't understand your second question. Salam to all
  • Are a muslim or a Muslim?

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    @357, what's difference between muslim and Muslim? As some brothers are saying here ; Muslim is a label always but muslim becomes a label when we are behaving as peacful individuals or who aspire to be peaceful. as jafar rightly said a better quistion would have been; The more appropriate option will be "Are you a Muslim"? or "Are you a person who are trying/striving to be muslim". I think the mistranslation of the word "Sami" as "name" is where all the confusion accurs it is rather something we aspire to, compet contend to be eminent glorious exelent in, the lanes does explain it rather well. In the case of trying to be a muslim we are trying to be better more peaceful in our nature- i think. Thank you all. -\
  • 4:92

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    Aww, real brothers in Faith. How wonderful! God bless you and may peace be upon you forever
  • PLEASE WATCH THESE!!!

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    Correct. The Sect has no Leader. Only Allah is the Leader. Heart By command of Soul as WAHI is the guidance....Where is the question of gathering people and forming leaders. All waste. They can not fight against the Govt
  • How many hours/week do you spend on studying the Quran / islam?

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    Thanks all for your comments. ) Seems like I am not the only one. Now I am just wondering who voted for 14+hours/week. I thought it would be Wakas considering his knowledge but it seems I was wrong. P
  • O PEOPLE OF THE BOOK

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    Peace. I wish to share my understanding on People of the Book. People = generally everyone who comes to know about God. Book = a general/generic term to mean Book from God = the Quran and previous scriptures. I think People of the Book is a general term to mean all people who have some knowledge about God, whereby they claimed the knowledge they have received are scriptures/book(s) from God, including Christians. When Allah from the Quran addresses People of the Book, it generally refers to all those people, also Allah addresses to specific subset of the People of the Book, in context. Also, there are people who falls under People of the Book (Quran), but they are actually unlearn ones, who don't know the real message of the Book. That is the Book, wherein is no doubt, a guidance to the godfearing (22) Had We sent down upon you a book on paper, and they had touched it with their hands, those who disbelieve would have said, ?This is nothing but plain magic.? (67) A Scripture was revealed to you, so let there be no anxiety in your heart because of it. You are to warn with it?and a reminder for the believers. (72) Follow what is revealed to you from your Lord, and do not follow other masters beside Him. Little you recollect. (73) And among them are unlearned ones (ummiyyuna) do not know the Book, and they only guess/speculate (27
  • How to be a good Muslim?

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    I'm new to Islam. I'd def consider myself more of a free thinking Muslim, progressive, liberal, etc. I was just wondering, what is the best way to be a good Muslim? Simply try to grasp the meanings of Verbal Noun "Islam" from where the active participle "Muslim" is derived and its Root is Root " " That the dominant and pervasive perception and meanings infolded in the Root are that of healthy state of exactitude, validity, truth, and absolved causing wellness and tranquility. And therein is no deviation, irregularity, oddity, and abnormality disturbing wellness and tranquility. It portrays a state of peace, safety, tranquility and dynamic balance when the Man is secure from all sorts of things causing damage and disablement of that state. Obviously, it is the unique state and only source-a ladder that could enable the Man to elevate to stability, prosperity, development and all sorts of ascensions. You can adjudge whether you were a Muslim when you did anything by considering whether that action was aimed at securing peace and tranquility not for one's self but also for all others around. If one leaves a public wash room in dirty state which might cause irk to another visitor, he was not in the state of Islam at that point in time. Islam encompasses every second of one's life. Honestly speaking me and many others are not in the fold of Islam many a times during the currency of a day.
  • nice site-ebooks- classical arabic

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    Thank you for share to us the links May Allah always give syafa'at to you.
  • Is it okay not to list my faith on Facebook?

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    Hello, I use to list my religious views as Islam on Facebook but I didn't wanna get discrimination or people looking at me wrongfully I believe as they may compare me to radicals and so since I wanted to be viewed only as human I took off the religious listing and left it blank. I have though been looking at the verse that states "Whoever rejects God after having believed; except for one who is forced while his heart is still content with belief; and has opened his chest to rejection, then they will have a wrath from God and they will have a great retribution" 16116 This has bothered me. The way I interpret this is that if you do kufr about God unless your are forced to while fully believing you are not blameworthy and if you have fully opened your chest to kufr then you are blameworthy. I've seen interpretations include telling others that you are of a different faith other than islam with the interpretation of forced to do this being that you might be killed. Kufr which I believe means the covering of the truth would make me think that if one is forced it allows you to do that about God. However there is also the fact that I believe kufr can be done to oneself which leads one to go into apostasy and thus this what has bothered me is that does simply hiding my faith on Facebook count as telling others you not of this faith (thus might appear as an apostate? ) Thanks I see this as being 2 separate issues. Facebook. What is Facebook? A social network site. What defines you on Facebook? Your personality or your belief? Do you list all your facets? I hope not. So in my eyes, putting a non-defined or ill-defined term as descriptor on a social networking site is wrong. Sentences in the Koran are usually subject to interpretation. The specific interpretation you chose is different from what I see there. I see the threat to apostates that they will have to face the consequences of leaving Islam. Why would you attribute that to yourself? If you play chess, go league bowling and believe Earth is flat, would you mention the flat-Earther belief as the determining factor in your existence right from the start as confrontation?
  • Concerning christians/marriage and fate

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    Salaam, I think intent is just as important as your actual actions. I don't think these are overly scruitizined. It seems very simple for a person who wants to do good in their day to day life. One central point I find in the Quran, is not being arrogant. This can be both part of intent and actions, your thoughts and how you behave. For those who want to be humble before Allah swt it could be seen as a 'natural expression' of faith. And when it says in the Quran that all deeds are written down, I feel this is said so that those who think they can do evil in the smallest way and think they can get away with it, it will still be taken account of. It's like its there for people who want to make loopholes to do bad things. There's also the point that if God is One, if a Deity is anything in particular, and makes that reality known to man, then is it wrong to say something false and create a different deity to which you pray, give thanks etc? If what you are doing is simply a representation of God, then how do you ascertain the accuracy of this representation? Just like anyone can say something or create something that represents another reality accurately or inaccurately. This is the point in terms of stating that God has made His reality known. If you don't know what God looks like, is it a good idea to create an image of God? If there is no ultimate truth, then the question turns to what is God? Then you can ask even more questions such as will there always be people who disdain the worship of God, whoever that God may be? What would that mean in terms of getting to the reality of God and so on? As a fatwa is a religious law essentially, wouldn't it be that we already have what we need in the Quran? Would it be better for Quran alone Muslims to create a book that shows people what Quran alone Muslims tend to believe and how we differ in places? We can differ a lot, but this only shows the nature of human beings and allows for diversity in opinion and thought. There are some central beliefs, the Quran may actually refer to these as the mother of the book if I recall but the other points are ambiguous. You can't control the Quran in my opinion, look at its structure for example, you have to let the Message flow along and take it with you in its 'current'.
  • The old sunni treatment

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    Peace Reee, Thanks for adding this fact which I forgot fo mention. Of course it means people of all "religions". Although, I believe there is only one religion, God's religion, which is to live in islam. It is not the name of a religion but a lifestyle, so righteous people of other religions are muslims too. As long as you struggle to make peace within your soul and your surroundings, you have the muslim way. God did not ask us to divide ourselves into sects and there is no reason for all these muslim branches. We are all trying to be muslim. Being a community does not mean you are a sect. Only by differentiating yourselves from other muslims make you a sect. Free minds is a decent example of community in muslim style as people are more or less allowed to differentiate in belief, although we still have some harassment and mockery due to alternative thinking by some brothers and sisters that can be a bit arrogant at times. Unfortunately, our brothers and sisters in these sects are not so open-minded to accept us to be with them knowing we have a different opinion, because opinions are not always accepted in the sects. But if they accept us despite being "Quran alone" then why should we not spend time with them, perhaps they might change. Just show them you are peaceful and contented and respectfully tell the Truth when you talk to them. If they get hostile, remain calm and do not use provocative words. Should they start with improper manner and behavior, go away from there with a respectful apology. Are you determined with your belief and calm and peaceful you have a chance of affecting people. The bigger God's community gets the bigger influence it will have on those who are part of the wrong-doers. If people see it is socially accepted to be in God's community then more will leave their sects and join God and his islamic ways to reach salvation. I have noticed that the free minds community has begun to grow more rapidly in recent months and our perseverance acts as a signal to people around. Just being here as an alternative to sects will probably attract people to leave their sects with strange rules and restrictions, and idolatry. Go out and show the Truth and the Message to people. Go to wherever you are invited and be a brother or sister to them. But if they want you to participate in immoral practices then apology and say you cannot do so. Be a Light and a Beacon and all will be fine. God bless you
  • Howell's Arabic Grammar books

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    Thank you! I can't wait to down load them when I get home!
  • Breaking an Oath

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    A promise is not an oath as I understand it. The word "ayman" is what refers to oaths and neither of those you posted are those, which this topic is about oaths only. Anyways the issue is 377 that I want an answer to, please and thank you. Peace, Hope the following aayat will be helpful inshaAllah. 589 589 Allah will not impose blame upon you for what is meaningless in your oaths, but He will impose blame upon you for what you intended of oaths. So its expiation is the feeding of ten needy people from the average of that which you feed your families or clothing them or the freeing of a slave. But whoever cannot find ? then a fast of three days. That is the expiation for oaths when you have sworn. But guard your oaths. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be grateful. May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr mmKhan
  • We are ?people of the book?, not ?Muslims?

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    I sometimes think that the biggest issue with sunnis, which may lead in the extreme case to terrorism, is some kind of moral arrogance, the idea that they are morally superior to other people, this because they follow true islam. The Quran was revealed to the prophet Muhammad about 14 centuries ago. At this time, there were people called ?people of the book?, which were the descendants of people to which God has previously revealed the book. In that context, they would feel more concerned about all the verses that criticize the ?people of the book?. It would make them less arrogant, less sure they own the truth. Moral arrogance a.k.a "Holier than thou" attitude is an issue with nearly all religious / sectarian people. Including people on this forum the so-called 'quran alone'/'quranist'. Those religious / sectarian people, sees that they're the only 'enlightened' people and they need to 'spread their teaching' to those filthy barbarians who are not among their group. Arrogance is a BIG issue, telling them that you behave just like 'the people of the book in the Quran' or 'the jewish rabbi in the Gospel' or 'the Egyptian Pharaoh and his cohort in the Torah' usually makes them more angry with you because you've touched their ego / pride. There's no 'silver bullet' for arrogance, having said that the idea is worth to try, some of them might come to their senses while most of them might not... Yet the most important thing is how we can avoid to turn into 'arrogant' ourselves? "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." Salam / Peace
  • Can we eat Gelatin with pork byproducts?

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    Gelatin, in my belief is on the controversial list. The way it s extracted is that the carcus of the animal is completely boiled (?)... So since only the meat of pigs is prohibited, if the gelatin is from the skin, then it is forbidden (?), but if it is from bone or around the fat, then it might not be prohibited (?). However from what I understand, isn't skin separate from flesh?
  • How do YOU reconcile evolution with islam.

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    Peace How do you reconcile evolution with islam ? Probably you will find the answer here. http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604683.msg313865#msg313865 Yes, i read that article a long time ago (not TOO long haha) and i loved it, it covered alot and thank you for writing it, it was you who wrote it right or is it copied from somewhere? D