Questions/Comments on the Quran

Well done with the dabba reference, Joe.

ah... I see your point. I'll wonder some more and come back to you-)

Peace be upon you Brennetta, First we need to translate the statement "al masjid al haraam". It refers to the "place of hearing and obeying the restrictions". The direction/focus(qibla) of ALL MANKIND is in the skies (the outer life), but when we recieve the message of the God, we are directed WITHIN our Being. Musa was told to take his shoes off because the journey requires no physical travel. We "hear and oey" the God from within our very being. The God is closer than the jugular vein. No need to search the skies for the God. The anciets realized hat the heavenly bodies exert influence over mankind and so the idea that the God is in the skies became popular , but we are being corrected. The black cube in Mecca is an idol that must be rejected.

peace all, jaxal wrote I believe the Kingdom of Solomon was real. A literal place. It covered , if not all, most of israel and syria and maybe more. i agree with you brother. peace idolfree1, you wrote The God does not change the condition of a people until they change what is INSIDE thier minds/Spirits(Nafs). those who have the power to change what is inside their minds/spirits, would not depend upon God to change their condition, they will change it themselves... ) God bless you all.

SaLaM sis Marie You underlined 'messengers' in the verse. Would you consider Jibrael to be a messenger Since it was him who brought the Quran to Prophet Muhammad.

peace all, A new thread is created from this thread, it is entitled Al-ins/al-insan # al-jinn Thanks for your comprehension.

Salam Ahmed, Very good quote about the condemnation of sects (there are others I believe)....but that conversation is for a different thread -) I was reading your reply (shukron for responding by the way) and I thought....wait a minute....perhaps you and I have it all wrong in one way...I think I remember reading that Allah knows what is in our hearts....so how can we deduce that someone who is doing all manner of bad things is not actually on their way (through some sort of relationship with God) to becoming guided on the right path..... Through out history there have been people (male and female) who were living lives that exhibited truly misguided behaviour and through some miracle were guided by Allah on the right path....People (prostitutes, theieves, murderers, etc) all of whom we would have believed to be doomed to eternal hell.....but through Allah's mercy they were guided to him and repented. In light of this thought, I'm re-evaluating my assumption that just because someone labels themselves through their actions or words today that they are on indeed "misguided" that does not mean that Allah will not put them on the straight path tomorrow. Allah ar-rahman ar-raheem 4213 Transliteration from YAQB.org SharaAAa lakum mina alddeeni ma wassa bihi noohan waallathee awhayna ilayka wama wassayna bihi ibraheema wamoosa waAAeesa an aqeemoo alddeena wala tatafarraqoo feehi kabura AAala almushrikeena ma tadAAoohum ilayhi Allahu yajtabee ilayhi man yashao wayahdee ilayhi man yuneebu God chooses to Himself whomever He wills; He guides to Himself those who repent. Thank you bro, Shukran for your reply, yep there are many verses that condemn dividing our religion, I have them all bro if you would like to read it My understanding to the Mashi'ah does not conflict with the info you added there, in fact it runs in perfect harmony, that Allah will know if a prostitute wants to repenet or not and cosequently He will help her to repent, but if she was internally happy prostituting herself then Allah will leave her miguided we can also use Omar Ibn Elkhatab as a possible example, while he looked a fierce enemy to Mohammad, the truth inside him may be something different and only Allah knows it, so it seems Omar was internally thinking about Islam and Allah made it easy for him In a way I accept both understandings that it can be the Mashi'ah of Allah because He is above all things and what He wants to do is what is going to happen 100% regardless, I also take it as the Mashi'ah of the people, i.e. Allah will know what is in their hearts and consequently He will guide the ones who are thinking a lot about him Please consider the following verses in the light of the second understanding 35- If anyone withdraws himself from remembrance of (Allah) Most Gracious, We appoint for him an evil one, to be an intimate companion to him. 36- Such (evil ones) really hinder them from the Path, but they think that they are being guided aright! (36) (37) Peace be with you bro

Salam Ahmad, Thank you for your good analysis of 2545, that sound logic. I also retain that the God can made the shade immobile. Regarding 2545, what is your understanding about the fire and Abraham in 21-58-69 ? They said ?Burn him, and give victory to your gods if you will do anything.? We said ?O fire, be cool and safe upon Abraham.? Thanks Hello Marie Thanks for your reply, i believe it makes great sense but I also believe it is not for the faint hearted to understand, you are the third person who managed to understand it now, out of about a 1000 I discussed it with. It is nothing of great importance rather anonther evidence of the miraculous Arabic words of our God For the story of Abraham and the fire, I really don't have much to say other than I believe in the Quran 100% and I also believe that this metaphor concept is a joke and can be refuted easily hence I believe it was a real fire and Abraham was put in it and Allah ordered it to be 'COOL & SAFE" what impress me is this we know the fire is hot so Allah has ordered it to be cool but would that be eough for the safety of Abraham?, i don't think so because too much cold can also burn your skin that is why the order was be COOL AND SAFE you see the above small note is enough to consider that what happened to Abraham was for real while we didn't see it but we were requested to believe in the unseen, 22 the unseen for me is anything that I can't see but Allah told me me about it in the Quran very simple indeed peace be with you

Salam Ahmed Bahgat, Peace mate and because Moses companion had a few messages to Moses, he can be consider a messenger for me and to be honest I don't need to differetiate between a prophet and a messenger, for me BOTH ARE THE SAME Khi- Correct and angels can be messengers you know. Infact in general they are "malakan rasoolan". Doesnt make them prophets though. exactly bro the angels were named "Rusul" especially te angels of death, now those angels have no physical words to deliver rather they deiliver death and consequently they have the message of death and that is why they were called "Rusul" As for the last part well i disagree and you should go through the websites i posted to see why i think so. i will bro, thanks I don't know if yehya had a physical message or not but I'm sure he had a spritual message with him like any other prophet, they are good examples to us and I consider this as a message I know all these differntiation between messengers and prophets for years and through arabic scholars, but as I said I don't differntiate between them and I take all of them as differnt examples with spiritual messages the least Khi- Ok. I just hope you did read the above two sites also. ok, can you please post the link again just to make sure mate I was just talking logic to Layth, NOT HARD CORE EVIDENCES I have no problem if Moses companion is a messneger, a prophet, a malak in human shape, or just a mere good fellow human being I take it as faith that there was a message to Moses that has to be sent by that entity mentioned in the verse on a personal level though and just for the record and in no way a hard core faith , I may lean to believe that he is a man, and he is a messanger and his name was Al Khadar peace be with you bro the Quran also mentioned that there many prophets that were no mentioned peace Khi- Well then everything should be ok. GOD Bless! Thank you bro peace be with you

Asalaamu Alaikum, I think you need to read this in arabic akhi. All of the words you are translating into reflect are not the same words in arabic....I could give you an itemized list.....but just typing in the verses in yaqb.org will show you the arabic and you will see that all the words are not the same....actually the word you are translating as "reflect" is actually better translated as "consider" (transliterated the word in arabic most seen in these verses is fakkara). Just thought I'd point this out.

SaLaM nadeem Loll brother there is no such thing as a strange question. That question makes perfect sense to me. But the thing is, The majority will be wrong in guiding us religiously. That is it brother. It stops there.

Peace be upon you Ahmed, I will stop here. I have just witnessed in another thread that you are still a follower of baseless hadith such as beings called angesl with wings and other such fairytales. This is not the level of study that I am dealing with, so we can resume our talks once you have been hee for a while longer and made some steps in the higher direction. Please do no take offense to my statement, but I have been there and I know where you are, it will take more time for you to question what you have been taught, then we can resume. No offence bro but it seems your conclusion is way too wrong, I care;ess about the hadith, but i'm happy to read it, and I have to tell you bro, for me you don't even follow the Quran and this is ironic that you accuse me of folowing the hadith lol all the best

Peace be upon you MQ and all, Thanks for the critisism on my brainstorming. Yes, I agree it is a social context, but in order for men to recieve the same warning, it must be taken as symbolic. I will ask you to think about why all messengers are Masculine. Certainly females deliver truth to others, so we know that the female can be a messenger too. But it is symbolic of the "yin and yng" of life. In the same manner, the female is used in this context to speak about incorrect behavior. It addresses the female side of all humans, the receptive side. It is the masculine side of ALL humans that is symbolized as the messenger side, and the female is the recieving side. please give me clarification on the gender of verse 4/16 so I can check my position So it is the Human that must be confined to the systems(buyoot) until they are corrected.

peace jaxal, you wrote I would go for the lashes. But that is just my personal opinion. If i found out my wife is cheating on me.... she has it comming.. and she has it comming bad. Likewise, i expect the same for myself. If i cheat on my wife, i do not expect an OUNCE of mercy from her. brother you are great lol thats equality and justice. regards.

Peace AB, all, first of all, not just me who said the angels has wings, 95% at least of the Muslims for the last 1425 years starting from Mohammad stated as such This only proves that you like to use logical fallacies such as appeal to popularity. and sure that was based on the clear Arabic Quran, now from the Arabic I learnt Janah is literally wing, now I know it can be used in a metaphor style like 1724, but that is about it, and very rare indeed and must be singular if used as a metaphor Janah means wing, and apply to birds, aeroplanes, or anything that has wings like a fly the plural of "" is " " and sure if it was a metaphor then it should not be plural as we see in 351 (1) The passage clearly says two, THREE and four wings. You indicate above that those wings are actual non-metaphoric wings that are like the wings of birds and airplanes. Obviously, unlike your claim on another thread, you don't know anything about engineering. One doesn't even need to be an engineer to see the fact that in order to fly, there has to be symmetry in the wings. This is plain old common sense. This is why there are no birds or airplanes with THREE wings. So the wings in 351 must be metaphorical just like in 1724, 1588, 26215, etc. Conclusion It has to be wings because it is plural and Allah never specified the contrary as well the prophet confirmed that, now the prophet must have known for sure, didn't The Arch Angel meet him personally zillions of times? The prophet certainly didn't confirm your fairytales about mythical angels that have hundreds of actual wings, unless of course you take Bukhari and the like as your prophet. You are free to believe in whatever nonsense you want to believe in, whether it is Bukhari or Biblical fairy tales, it doesn't matter. However, don't spew such nonsense on public forums and then when you are exposed get angry as you did on ALL the other threads where this has happened. Peace on who followed the guidance, Ayman Ignored

Salaam idolfree1, Thanks for the reference. I will ask my brother in US to look for it. There's almost no chance finding that kind of book in Indonesia Wasalaam, =adley=

Peace Wakas, Shiin-ha-ha 3319, 3319 4128, 599, 6416 It has to be a misprint then.

Peace be upon you all, I'm glad you guys chose peace rather than go back and forth Good example. For the record, The God does not write books, inspired men write books. Thsi inspired human was Arab and wrote in Arabic.

Peace be upon you all, The God says that this story was a similitude given to the people but they took it literal. We all know the literal, but the similitude refers to the truth that no one can crucify the WILL of MAN. We are responsible for our own wills and no man should die without awakening his/her will to be able to choose the God's way, otherwise we are just followers, and if you follow most people you will be led astray.

Dear brothers and sisters, Maybe it's too late but i would like to suggest that this research be available on the articles section of free-minds main page. Nadeem.