no miracles?
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Well, logic and crossreference of meanings and understandings. Plus, if you can give a very logical explanation of a verse, why go for the unlogical one?
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birth, life, the sun rising every day, the song of a bird, the laughter of children... these aren't miracles enough for some
god gives, we take... and continue to ask for more more more
a good brush with death usually reminds me of how good i really have it... not everyone is so blessed i guess
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peace
I do agree with what Arnold said (with some exceptions).
The thing is, we cannot believe that these "miracles" ever happened. Even if the quran does mention actual, literal miracles. And by "cannot" I mean we don't have a choice. We can't, by nature, believe in something we have never seen. There will always be doubt. Even if it's small. The doubt will always be there. No one really, truly believes that Moses split the sea and Jesus healed the blind.
I drive a Honda Civic. It's a stick shift, but only has about 90 horses. But that's not the important part. The important part is that it is a very reliable car. Every time I get in and turn the key, it starts. Every freaking time. So every morning when I get into the car, I truly believe (you can say that I know) that the car will start when I turn the key. It's like a law. I don't even have to think about whether the car will start or not, because I know it always will.
That's belief in the unseen. Even though I haven't seen my car start the next day, I believe that it will.
Now, no matter how reliable the car is, it's bound to fail sometimes, but God's laws never change. They are always constant. They are always the same. That's why we can go on with our lives without going insane. That's why we can tell truth from falsehood. If reality kept changing on God's whims every now and then, we wouldn't know what to follow.
Another example of what I'm saying is...practice. Why do athletes practice? Because unless you actually see, or experience yourself doing something, you will not believe that you can do it. Once you do, you have this belief that you can do it, and you do.
You know that when you will yourself to walk, you will walk without even thinking about it, because you've experienced it before. You believe that you can do it everytime. It's in your subconscious. You don't even have to think about it. That's belief.
And belief is what turns into our actions. What we believe is what we do, and what we do is what we are.
That's why belief is so important in the Quran, because if our goal is to do the right things, then our beliefs have to be right first.
Believing in something that we haven't experienced is false belief. It doesn't really count because we will never act according to it.
So, the quran never asks us to believe in something that we have no proof of, that we have never seen, that we can never truly believe. It doesn't ask us to the impossible.
So I don't know how we should look at these stories. But I'm sure that these miracles never happened. Unless of course I see one happen tomorrow. Until then, I'll look for a different understanding. -
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well you could see how some (even me) could believe something like that. we are told God can do anything and splitting the sea is no problem. so naturally i thought it happened.
seeing that it is possible, people will think it actually happened. but if it didn't, i still have to ask, why would anybody translate or interprete it like that?
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That was a question I wanted you to answer. But I knew what your answer would be. It's "no."
Then why do you believe the quran when the quran says something similar (in terms of ridiculousness)?
I'm saying that we shouldn't try to believe what we can't believe.
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what're you saying?
that we shouldn't take literally everything in the qur'an?
how can you tell when something is used as a metaphor?Peace brother
Ok, in your daily language do any one need to tell you what is said is literal or metaphor? Quran was revealed in the language of human beings and contains, exapmples, metaphores, literal expressions. For example in the following verse
824 O you who believe! answer (the call of) Allah and His Messenger when he calls
you to that which gives you lifeDo anyone need to tell that Prophet didn't call to physically dead people to give them life!
And also people who do not reflect Quran call them blind, deaf and the dumb do anyone need to tell that this is not literal?
In the other places where we use metaphores as literal is just because of tradition and some stories found in history. That is what I could understand.
Peace all, Hamsa
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Hello All
The literal meaning for the word miracle, is miracle, I guess a child should know that
I.e. the dumb deaf and blind are those who don?t take the word miracle as a real miracle
Salam
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Peace upon U all.Allah creates science and systems unchanged forever to enable men explore sience taken from natures, if other wise no science, formulas, systems was found because of such changes.
i was reading some old threads and found that the miracles mentioned are not meant to be taken literally.
Yup, it was called as mutashabihat verses, which very possible Allah using nature as examples. Most of men claims that no mutashabihat verses can be understood, it is just a claim, as Allah is Al Ilmi, so He revealed al Quran as a vehicle to make men into best vicilization i.e. surender to Allah's deen, the best way of life for men.so there was no splitting of the sea? no cane turning into a snake, no water coming out of a rock? no bringing dead to life, no creating doves, no curing blind people? no cutting of 4 birds and putting them on a mountain and calling them and them coming to abraham?
Sea is a mutashabihat for men's community, when it was splited means to make men into two clear groups, as Moses' followers and Pharaoh's followers. In the other words when Moses split the sea, he ordered to make his community into furqon.Cane turning into snake is an allegoric that a Allah's cane (asho/guidance) will eventually destroy shatan's cane (idiologies of nations). Water is a mutashabihat for pure teachings, so when Allah's spirit was knocked to men's rockhead, by Allah's will it works and would be kept as Holly Spirit in his head that may comes out when he makes dakwah.
All Prophets were sent to make men's conciousness alife, when Jesus was sent to make Lazarus alive not physically but spiritually, because if so, I believe Jesus would chose to make all dead men alive as more numbers rejecting Jesus' dakwah, or Pilatus would not run into him because Pilatus would likely ask Jesus' service to make the dead Roman soldiers back to alive.
In short, no miracles were attributed to Prophet's deed previously and in future.
what about when they threw abraham into fife and Allah made the fire cool
or when He recurrected those people after 309 years? did that actually happen or is it some kind of a metaphorSimilarly it was an allegoric.
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Peace Ahmed,
Isn't 'Ayah' used in the quran for 'miracle'? And doesn't this word have other meanings as well? Such as verse, and sign?
Nadeem
Hello Nadeem
Yep
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could you explain more in detail?
the fire ibrahiym was thrown into was the wrath of his people...
god says "be cool"... and thus he was not affected by the wrath of his people to be "burned"... thus he did not alter his state or course simply to appease his people, but instead he endured their wrath and continued in the pursuit of the divine message.
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Peace Nerspi,
Please read my book that will explain most questions about the approach to the Arabic and the Quran. Then you can answer most of your questions yourself inshAllah as I have given you a push into the possible directions.
This is better then just ask question on each little topic while the complete story is already given to you in a full book.
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37 refutes both of yous
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Why?
37 He it is who has bestowed upon thee from on high this divine writ, containing messages that are clear in and by themselves - and these are the essence of the divine writ - as well as others that are allegorical. Now those whose hearts are given to swerving from the truth go after that part of the divine writ which has been expressed in allegory, seeking out confusion, and seeking its final meaning ; but none save God knows its final meaning. Hence, those who are deeply rooted in knowledge say "We believe in it; the whole is from our Sustainer - albeit none takes this to heart save those who are endowed with insight.
"al kitab" is translated here as "divine writ" for some reason. I believe al kitab is universal law. God's message is in the universe, which contains clear and unclear signs.