no miracles?
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That was a question I wanted you to answer. But I knew what your answer would be. It's "no."
Then why do you believe the quran when the quran says something similar (in terms of ridiculousness)?
I'm saying that we shouldn't try to believe what we can't believe.
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peace
what're you saying?
that we shouldn't take literally everything in the qur'an?
how can you tell when something is used as a metaphor?Peace brother
Ok, in your daily language do any one need to tell you what is said is literal or metaphor? Quran was revealed in the language of human beings and contains, exapmples, metaphores, literal expressions. For example in the following verse
824 O you who believe! answer (the call of) Allah and His Messenger when he calls
you to that which gives you lifeDo anyone need to tell that Prophet didn't call to physically dead people to give them life!
And also people who do not reflect Quran call them blind, deaf and the dumb do anyone need to tell that this is not literal?
In the other places where we use metaphores as literal is just because of tradition and some stories found in history. That is what I could understand.
Peace all, Hamsa
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Hello All
The literal meaning for the word miracle, is miracle, I guess a child should know that
I.e. the dumb deaf and blind are those who don?t take the word miracle as a real miracle
Salam
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peace
Peace upon U all.Allah creates science and systems unchanged forever to enable men explore sience taken from natures, if other wise no science, formulas, systems was found because of such changes.
i was reading some old threads and found that the miracles mentioned are not meant to be taken literally.
Yup, it was called as mutashabihat verses, which very possible Allah using nature as examples. Most of men claims that no mutashabihat verses can be understood, it is just a claim, as Allah is Al Ilmi, so He revealed al Quran as a vehicle to make men into best vicilization i.e. surender to Allah's deen, the best way of life for men.so there was no splitting of the sea? no cane turning into a snake, no water coming out of a rock? no bringing dead to life, no creating doves, no curing blind people? no cutting of 4 birds and putting them on a mountain and calling them and them coming to abraham?
Sea is a mutashabihat for men's community, when it was splited means to make men into two clear groups, as Moses' followers and Pharaoh's followers. In the other words when Moses split the sea, he ordered to make his community into furqon.Cane turning into snake is an allegoric that a Allah's cane (asho/guidance) will eventually destroy shatan's cane (idiologies of nations). Water is a mutashabihat for pure teachings, so when Allah's spirit was knocked to men's rockhead, by Allah's will it works and would be kept as Holly Spirit in his head that may comes out when he makes dakwah.
All Prophets were sent to make men's conciousness alife, when Jesus was sent to make Lazarus alive not physically but spiritually, because if so, I believe Jesus would chose to make all dead men alive as more numbers rejecting Jesus' dakwah, or Pilatus would not run into him because Pilatus would likely ask Jesus' service to make the dead Roman soldiers back to alive.
In short, no miracles were attributed to Prophet's deed previously and in future.
what about when they threw abraham into fife and Allah made the fire cool
or when He recurrected those people after 309 years? did that actually happen or is it some kind of a metaphorSimilarly it was an allegoric.
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Peace Ahmed,
Isn't 'Ayah' used in the quran for 'miracle'? And doesn't this word have other meanings as well? Such as verse, and sign?
Nadeem
Hello Nadeem
Yep
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could you explain more in detail?
the fire ibrahiym was thrown into was the wrath of his people...
god says "be cool"... and thus he was not affected by the wrath of his people to be "burned"... thus he did not alter his state or course simply to appease his people, but instead he endured their wrath and continued in the pursuit of the divine message.
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Peace Nerspi,
Please read my book that will explain most questions about the approach to the Arabic and the Quran. Then you can answer most of your questions yourself inshAllah as I have given you a push into the possible directions.
This is better then just ask question on each little topic while the complete story is already given to you in a full book.
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37 refutes both of yous
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Why?
37 He it is who has bestowed upon thee from on high this divine writ, containing messages that are clear in and by themselves - and these are the essence of the divine writ - as well as others that are allegorical. Now those whose hearts are given to swerving from the truth go after that part of the divine writ which has been expressed in allegory, seeking out confusion, and seeking its final meaning ; but none save God knows its final meaning. Hence, those who are deeply rooted in knowledge say "We believe in it; the whole is from our Sustainer - albeit none takes this to heart save those who are endowed with insight.
"al kitab" is translated here as "divine writ" for some reason. I believe al kitab is universal law. God's message is in the universe, which contains clear and unclear signs.
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Peace all,
Ayat can and has been used in the Arabic language to mean BOTH sign/miracle whilst the plural ayaat can also mean verses/revelation as per 37. It all depends on the context in which the terms are used. Everyone here has to rid themselves off the idea that one term in the Quran hs only one meaning throughout. It just doesnt work that way. Languages aint built tht way neither do they function tht way be it Arabic or any other. GOD Bless! -
Peace all,
Surah 20. Ta-ha
17. "And what is that in the right hand, O Moses?"
18. He said, "It is my rod on it I lean; with it I beat down fodder for my flocks; and in it I find other uses."
19. ((Allah)) said, "Throw it, O Moses!"
20. He threw it, and behold! It was a snake, active in motion.
21. ((Allah)) said, "Seize it, and fear not We shall return it at once to its former condition"..
22. "Now draw thy hand close to thy side It shall come forth white (and shining), without harm (or stain),- as another Sign,-What is the metaphoric meaning of the rod (in context) and hand turning white above?
Which of God's laws has been broken; bring a snake to life ? was it not so in the beginning?
Lastly, how is anyone certain about what God?s physical laws really are?
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Peace,
- "And what is that biyameenika, O Moses?"
Yad=strength/ability/hand. So the verse can also mean 'What is your Strength Moses?
- He said, "It is my Asa on it I lean; with it I beat down fodder for my flocks; and in it I find other uses."
Asa is willpower, truth, conviction, people, nation, that which supports, state of unity. So the verse can also mean
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He said, "It is my conviction/faith on it I lean; with it I beat down fodder for my flocks; and in it I find other uses."
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((Allah)) said, "alqiha, O Moses!"
Tulqiya/almulqeena/alqoo/alqaw/alqi comes from the root laqiya and means to meet, meet with, see, come across, experience, occur, undergo, endure, find out a thing, lean upon, receive, come face to face. Here it refers to throw something so the person will undergo/receive/experiences/meets it, this can be anything from an object to a word that is thrown to the opposition. For example jalasa tilqaa fulanun means to sit facing or opposite to.
Possible meaning
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((Allah)) said, "Endure, O Moses!"
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He alqaha, and behold! It was hiya hayyatuntasAAa.
Normaly this is translated as behold it became a snake. But hayyatun means becoming alive, so it was his Asa that came alive, his belief and strength that came alive and vibrant to go on his mission.
- He endured it, and behold! His strenght and belief came alive.
2021 He said, Grasp it and fear not. We will keep it evergreen.
- "Now draw thy hand close to thy side It shall come forth white (and shining), without harm (or stain),- as another Sign,-
Yad---baydao means white hand but it also means an argument/proof/conviction that becomes very clear/evident.
Thus me and Dr.Shabbir have explained the story as such in QXP4
2012 Surely, I am your Lord! Take off your sandals. Surely, you are in the
sacred valley of Tuwa. (Your quest for the Truth is over. So lighten the
burdens of your search. Now you are in the Sacred Valley of Revelation)2017 What is your strength O Moses? (Moses was then given complete
Guidance and strong Logic, and was encouraged to ask any questions)
2018 He said, "Your Guidance is my strength. It will help me in all walks of
life. I will prove to be a competent shepherd for the Israelites, and will use it as the challenges come forth."2019 God said, You are now ready to embark upon your mission.
2020 He felt that the Message given to him was vibrant with life.
2021 He said, Grasp it and fear not. We will keep it evergreen. (Moses was told to hold fast to what he was taught to the extent that it became his first nature; even in frightening situations. And that he would come out unscathed from trying circumstances.)2663 Then We revealed to Moses, And move to the sea with your people. (Seek for them a dry path with confidence. Cross over the dried up Sea of Reeds 2077, 4424) The morning found the two parties apart like two hills with a basin in between.
7160 We set up twelve tribal communities among the Israelites for effective
administration. When his people asked for water, We revealed to Moses,
Move the Rock with your people! And twelve springs gushed forth from there7107 Moses presented his argument that he held fast, with vibrant confidence and logic. (falqa from laqiyaa means to meet, meet with, see, come across, experience, occur, undergo, endure, find out a thing, lean upon, receive, come face to face. Asa=State of unity=argument=people=nation=belief=conviction=strenght=that which supports=staff=cane=willpower.)
7108 The strength of his conviction shone bright to those present (2017-21)
7112 To bring all master debaters to your court. ('Saahir' from 'Sihr' =
Magician, liar, stunningly eloquent, smart poet, deceitful, trickster, cheater,
defrauder, dodger, hoaxer, swindler, seducer, one who turns of a thing from its proper manner to another manner, shower off falsehood in the form of truth)7117 So, We inspired Moses, Respond with Conviction. And then behold
how it swallows their deceptive rhetoric! (Asaa = State of Unity = Staff, as the fingers unite on the handle = = Cane = Something that supports = People = Nation = Community = Belief = Strength = Conviction = Authority = Power = Willpower = Strong logic = Convincing argument. )2066 He said, "Nay, you go first." Their smart presentation appeared to him to put life into otherwise feeble arguments with their logic wandering in different directions. (They were throwing the ropes of falsehood against the Rope of God)
People are completely and blindly following the Bible instead of looking for the far more logical and far more guiding meanings of the stories.
To read my explanation on all verses on Moses and his deeds and that of all other Prophets, I refer to my book "Evolution of Thinking"
http//19.org/index.php?id=91,550,0,0,1,0&PHPSESSID=91e0cb1e928ef0cb5db076991a9ab251
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peace
i see. amazing how some translate a certain verse one way and others in a different way. like there's 2 qur'ans.
but somebody did translate it in a way that shows miracles. so in a way these translators are saying things about God that are not true.
that God gave premission to prophets to perform miracles when in fact He did not.
they're misleading people.