To Obey the Prophet(PBUH) is obligatory to every Muslim
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Shame on anyone who calls himself as a Muslim and disobeys the clear Sign of Allah.
Indeed.
Which Hadith, other than this, do they uphold?
These are GOD's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than GOD and His revelations do they believe?
Have they not looked at the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all the things GOD has created? Does it ever occur to them that the end of their life may be near? Which Hadith, beside this, do they believe in?
Turn unto Him alone then, and be mindful of Him, and establish the Divine System and be not of the Mushrikeen (idolaters) who ascribe ?partners? to Him. Those who split up their religion becoming sects, each sect delighting in whatever beliefs they have.
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Peace,
Z Before giving us your opinion, it would be wise for you to first learn the difference between a rasool and a prophet (nabi).
Peace
Would you please throw light on it so that all "illiterate " must know it.
Any one who is claiming to be "Rasool" or "Nabi" after the Holy Prophet PBUH is a "Kaafir" without any reservation.
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Peace Leoxyz,If you don't mind please provide proof via quran.
Thanks peace
So you think that Any Prophet and Rasool come.Any such concept is againt the quranic teaching;
A muslim is bound to believe
-whatever is revealed before the prophet PBUH
-What is revealed on the Prophet PBUH
Proof
24There is no such provision which states that muslims should believe "anyone" claiming to be Prophet after the Holy Prophet PBUH.
If there is such thing bring the proof from the Quran .Now it is your turn to bring the proof -
Thanks Tay. )
Leoxyz,
I'm still waiting for the proof for;
Any one who is claiming to be "Rasool" or "Nabi" after the Holy Prophet PBUH is a "Kaafir" without any reservation.
This is a very serious and powerful statement. If you can back it up with a verse, or two, I'd appreciate it. If not, please accept and admit that you have no proof of such. Simple.
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Peace Leo,
You didn't address the "...is a "Kaafir" without any reservation" part of your statement.
peace
Yes I believe any thought which is against the Quranic teaching is "Kufar".
You may believe otherway round that any thought which is against the quranic teaching is "Islam".
I cannot enforce anyone. -
Thanks Tay. )
Leoxyz,
I'm still waiting for the proof for; This is a very serious and powerful statement. If you can back it up with a verse, or two, I'd appreciate it. If not, please accept and admit that you have no proof of such. Simple.
Any thing which is against Quranic teaching is "Not islam= Kufar"
Either you have to prove revelation is still there after the Prophet PBUH or you have to admit that it Non -Quranic /Non islamic concept.
Revelation was = Before the Prophet PBUH
Revelation on the Holy Prophet PBUH
Afterwards =No revelation
Quran says
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So anyone who believes that revelation is Possible after the Holy Prophet PBUH is not a muslim (Kaafir). -
Peace "leo",
I do not know why you people cannot understand a simple question.You always put cart before the horse.
Do you believe that Holy Prophet has the authority to explain "Kitaab".JK- A big fat NO! I know exactly that you sunnis/shia have misinterpreted the term "bayinna" which the Quran clearly uses as an antonymn of the term "katama(to hide)". Here an example
GOD took a covenant from those who received the scripture "You shall proclaim it(tubayyinahu) to the people, and never conceal(la taktumoohu) it." But they disregarded it behind their backs, and traded it away for a cheap price. What a miserable trade.
The Prophet was infact FORBIDDEN from explaining the Quran
Do not move your tongue to hasten it.
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Then it is We who will explain it.All other questions stem from this basic theme.
If you do not consider him PBUH as authority to explain the "BOOK" ,how can you discuss the authenticity of narrations.
It becomes a useless discussion .Because even if the authenticity of those narration is proved ,you will not accept it in the absence of His PBUH authority of explaining the book.You might have realized what is the value of
1Allah
2The HOLY Prophe PBUH
3The Holy Quran
OPF clearly mocked and attacked their integrity .
Look at this one what he said]Are you sure this is a language of a "Muslim"
Can any muslim even think about it??JK- Yes the Prophet was only an authority from GOD in regards to His Message i.e. the Quran and nothing else as is evident from 3337 as well. GOD Bless!
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Peace "leoxyz",
ANOTHER CAT IS OUT OF BAG
So Qadianis are also operational over here.All anti-islam stuff is accumulated to
-Attack Allah and Quran
-To attack authority of the Prophet PBUH
-To Tamper the quran
-To attack finality of prophethood of Muhammad PBUHJK- What did your arguments run out? Couldnt you find any more support from GOD's Word i.e. Quran so that you now have to resort to these kind of statments? And where did we ever attack Allah or the Quran? Your doing this by twisting meanings and getting fooled by fake hadith for whose authenticity theres ZERO evidence. The authrority of the Prophet is ofcourse no more since he died and is no longer amongst us and even during his lifetime as per 3337 he was not to be obeyed on daily life issues but only those things he brought as a messenger which was not 24/7 of his speech. That which was is in the Quran. We do not tamper with the Quran. The Quran is not a book between two covers as sunni/shia assert. It is a mathematically coded book and ive discussed this many times over. Last but not least we never disputed the finality of Muhammad's prophethood BUT that of his final MESSENGERSHIP. Why does the Quran in the same verse call him a messenger of GOD but then only calls him final prophet but according to you sunnis forgets to mention him as the final messenger? GOD Bless!
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Peace "leo",
Translate the Aya which I put it again
24No revelation after the Holy Prophet(PBUH).Anyone who believes contrary to it does not believe in Quran ---------------> Kaafir
If you have proof bring forward.JK- Do you dare to claim that the "ka(you)" in "ilaika" referes uniquely to Muhammad? You gotta rid yourself of this sunni/shia bias. It can equally refer to any messenger and that which was revealed before him. Remeber a rasool will not come to bring a new divine law or scripture which is why we accept that Muhammad is the last Nabi i.e. bringer of new news but not the last messenger i.e. one who tranfers the message i.e. existing or new, to other humans through various methods inspired by GOD like code-19 fror example in RKs case. GOD Bless!
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It's so difficult to admit that your statement has no basis whatsoever?
Naturally who do not understand Quran ,how can they grasp this simple concept
Quran is the "Guidance" for Muttaqin.
22Those who do not want to get guidance ,Quran clearly indicates
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(26) As for those who have rejected *9 (these things), it is all the same to them whether you warn them or do not warn them they are not going to believe.
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(27) Allah has sealed up their hearts and ears and a covering has fallen over their eyes, *10 and they have incurred the severest punishment.So no surprise for me.
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The Prophet was infact FORBIDDEN from explaining the Quran
Do not move your tongue to hasten it.
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Then it is We who will explain it.JK- Yes the Prophet was only an authority from GOD in regards to His Message i.e. the Quran and nothing else as is evident from 3337 as well. GOD Bless!
JK, why is the "We" capitalized in 7519? It was no other than Muhammad himself who said it. I see no logic of an "almighty god" to choose one person just to deliver 'His' message, threatening others not to move their tongues and championing that 'He' (which becomes We) will explain it to the entire world. This "god" displays weakness indeed. -
Peace Zein, Leo,
Zein, You're welcome.
Leo, you stated
I believe any thought which is against the Quranic teaching is "Kufar".
Thanks for your definition.
However, according to the qur'an, a "kafir" is one who REJECTS the truth.
219 like a cloud from the sky, in it is darkness and thunder and lightning. They place their fingers in their ears from the lightning strikes out of fear of death; and God is aware of the rejecters.
223-24 And if you are in doubt as to what We have sent down to Our servant, then bring a chapter like this, and call upon your witnesses other than God if you are truthful. And if you cannot do this; and you will not be able to do this; then beware the Fire whose fuel is people and stones, it has been prepared for the rejecters.
399-100 Say "O people of the Scripture, why do you repel from the path of God those who believe? You wish to twist it while you were witness. And God is not unaware of what you do." O you who believe, if you obey a group of those who received the Scripture they will turn you after your belief into rejecters!
In short, kafiroon are deceitful, lying, people who see the truth yet choose to still reject it. They are not people who disagree with your interpretations. Unless you know a person's true intentions, or unless they've admittedly rejected the truth, then you have no business calling anyone a kafir.
Peace,
Tay -
Peace "genteel",
JK, why is the "We" capitalized in 7519? It was no other than Muhammad himself who said it. I see no logic of an "almighty god" to choose one person just to deliver 'His' message, threatening others not to move their tongues and championing that 'He' (which becomes We) will explain it to the entire world. This "god" displays weakness indeed.
JK- Yes your right there the "we" does not refer only to GOD but GOD and His messengerS. This means the Quran would be explained again and again by inspired people for every day and age. This is a better explanation indeed. Also the "we" clould refer to GOD and His forces of nature(malaaika) which help explain the Quran. GOD Bless!
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Peace Zein, Leo,
In short, kafiroon are deceitful, lying, people who see the truth yet choose to still reject it. They are not people who disagree with your interpretations. Unless you know a person's true intentions, or unless they've admittedly rejected the truth, then you have no business calling anyone a kafir.
Peace,
TayDear
I 100% agree that agreeing/disagreeing with my interpretation means nothing at all.
I have talked about Quranic teachings.This is the reason you can interpret anyway you like.
You may think that
-revelation is possible
-Prophets can still come
it will be your interpretation and who can stop you. ,I never enforce anyone to accept my point of view.
On this forum People have been mocking the Holy Prophet PBUH ,proving "Face/Foot" of God ,Tampering the Quran.Could anybody stop them ?? No rather all moderators have been providing tacit support.
My Point of view is very clear
Anyone who does not accept the Quranic teaching as final authority is "Kaafir" (noteI am not talking about my interpretations)
Do you agree with it??