The Great kaaba and Abraham.
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Peace bro simple,
Thanks for the additional information. I think that 936 is the most profound evidence for your theory. Also, do I understand correctly that you are saying that Allah has told humanity of six examples of divine punishment in the Qur'an? If so, this is a great 'tie in' for your understanding of the ayat that you've mentioned.
As for what I can see and of what I understand, you have made a good case. I'll definitely keep it in mind.
Be well. peace
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Salam,
Is that an coincident that the shia traditions have 12 Imams?
And wasn't the followers of Jesus also 12?
Peace Majidah
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Salam,
Is that an coincident that the shia traditions have 12 Imams?
And wasn't the followers of Jesus also 12?
Peace Majidah
Salaams Majidah, Ilisa,
Truthfully I think to get at the truth of the matter we really need the oldest bible to see the words which are now names of people - and they may turn out differently.
But the 12 Imams - well so many things are copied from Christianity as they were doing so well, don't we all copy what ever gives success its a human trait I think and could be a coincident as well.
I think if we believe in such a thing as the 12-shahr being interaction between people - then the original bible must have them aswell.
Gods Blessings on you both.
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Salam
2140 "Or do you say that Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Patriarchs were all Jewish or Nazarene?" Say "Are you more knowledgeable or is God?" Who is more wicked than one who conceals a testimony with him from God? God is not unaware of what you do.
2141 That was a nation that passed away, to them is what they earned and to you is what you have earned; you will not be asked about what they did.That nation had passed away.... we will not be asked of what they did? Does that means we don't have to care that much? or what they did we doesn't have to follow? (i.e what Abraham did, Moses, Jesus did?)
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Salaams All,
So was Abraham an idol breaker like the Afghans? or did he lie about it as well?
If anyone would like to answer please check out the links first, Thanks.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=15772.msg153171#msg153171
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=15462.msg148629#msg148629
God Bless.
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Peace,
To say that Abraham lied is a gross offence to him because we must take in considerations what this all lead to, right!?Abraham might have been a visionary and might well known the consequences of his act before he even had done it.
If you have read Quran you must have found out that idolworshipping is a gross sin to do, so if Abraham was the founder of how to reach out to the Higher force ( Allah) then of course it's a very logic move to approve his findings by destroy idols for them to make them think of what they were upholding. But this not have to mean that it's ok to go and destroy idols everywhere u find them especially not now when the truths already have been revealed for us.
And to add more to this subject about the Kaaba, this becomes so ironic if Abraham first destroyed the idols and then lay the ground to another bigger idol "kaaba" in Makka.
Just consider this and see how ridiculous it sounds hmmm.
Maria
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Peace,
To say that Abraham lied is a gross offence to him because we must take in considerations what this all lead to, right!?Abraham might have been a visionary and might well known the consequences of his act before he even had done it.
If you have read Quran you must have found out that idolworshipping is a gross sin to do, so if Abraham was the founder of how to reach out to the Higher force ( Allah) then of course it's a very logic move to approve his findings by destroy idols for them to make them think of what they were upholding. But this not have to mean that it's ok to go and destroy idols everywhere u find them especially not now when the truths already have been revealed for us.
And to add more to this subject about the Kaaba, this becomes so ironic if Abraham first destroyed the idols and then lay the ground to another bigger idol "kaaba" in Makka.
Just consider this and see how ridiculous it sounds hmmm.
Maria
Sorry Maria,
the quran isn't about stone idols, it doesn't say anything about stone idols- its about our actions - bad and good.
stone idols don't say or do anything- its us and our actions- give it some thought.
God Bless All.
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Peace,
It's obvious that you haven't read my post well enough or else you wouldn't jump to conclusions so fast.
I haven't mention that Quran is about stones at all.
But Quran will guide us and point about what is good and what is bad.
I personally believe that we shall reach out to God in form of spiritual act with our mind and physical acts are then not necessary.
All stories in Quran have a message for us that covers different kind of issues and this issue of finding your God and the direction is pointing to Abraham and he was the first one who did this. And to understand what others in his society did, the Quran show us that they were idolworshippers and uphold things which didn't gain them at all.
Now you can speak if you like, and i hope you have read the whole of my post....
Maria
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Hi Maria,
the Quran show us that they were idolworshippers..
Before taking this any further, do you mean- the quran shows us they were stone idol worshippers?
God Bless.
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Peace,
Lol, no, an idol can be whatever you want it to be. You can idolworship a stone, a tree, an animal, a building, planets, other humans etc.
Maria
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Peace,
Lol, no, an idol can be whatever you want it to be. You can idolworship a stone, a tree, an animal, a building, planets, other humans etc.
Maria
Well Maria, you have put your self in the spot- i think.
As far as i know stone/ tree/ animal/ planet worships arn't evil- they do not harm anyone but are only a waste of time for people. And expecting anything from them is a waste as well and that is all.
Are they mentioned in the quran? if so where?
God Bless.
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Peace,
To waste your time on nonsense rituals are in itself a bad thing when God have give you a big brain to use for higher causes.
And don't sneaking around the bush my friend, why i have to find those attributes in Quran?
I'm not only take Quran as a guideline, I do take all that I find as valueable informations as tools for my understanding.
And speak what you like, why I must try to prove something to you!?
Maria
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Salaams Maria,
And speak what you like, why I must try to prove something to you!?
I didn't mean prove something to me i was just clarifying what you said to see if it was fruitful for me and others here.
God Bless.
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Peace,
oh, so you are the new judge in here?
So your job is to locate who has something wise to come up with or not?Sorry to sound rude but, I really much dislike this kind of attitude and therefore I don't feel to reveal anything to you and this thread.
Maria
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Hi Maria,
of course - reveal what you want, but allow people to ask questions, that isn't unfair is it? or is it?
confused
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Peace,
Hmm questions????
Well you already mentioned that Quran was about good and bad things, so why not eloborate that instead of attacking my words of idols.
Maria
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Peace,
attacking my words of idols.
Maria
No i didn't attack and neither meant to- its probably my wrong aproach of asking the quistions.
and nothing bad meant.
Thanks.
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Sorry Maria,
the quran isn't about stone idols, it doesn't say anything about stone idols- its about our actions - bad and good.
stone idols don't say or do anything- its us and our actions- give it some thought.
God Bless All.
Peace,
Yes, maybe I really didn't understand your questions from the very beginning because I took it as some kind of attack for my findings about the issue.
I mean we have all right to have our own opinions about things and not being ridiculed for thinking like that.And I can agree that of course it is about our actions, our actions are creating energies both good and bad.
Maria