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Salaam,
Is Birthday cake harm according to 2173 ???
A Birthday cake is a food item dedicated to a person and the cake is specially made to celebrate an occasion of birth and it has the name of the birthday person written on it. &Humm not here he want you to visit his site and e-mail to him if want to understand something he don?t want to debate anything as he is trying to create a new sect who could follow him only. yes
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Yo brethren whassup with thee D
Blessings on your forum angelIt seems mmkhan has a point. After reading the verses regarding food again, I have reached the conclusion that we are allowed to eat the following
- The paired eight of ''baheemat el an3am'' which include
-Male and Female Goat
-Male and Female Sheep
-Male and Female Cattle
-Male and Female Camels
Excluding the blood, the dead and what is slaughtered for other than God. The male and female pig are forbidden. - All seafood.
- All what the land produces ie grains, vegetables and fruits.
All the rest (inluding all birds) are forbidden!
But what about eggs?! ??? Now I have to eat camel with milk for breakfast laugh
Peace,
Rami
- The paired eight of ''baheemat el an3am'' which include
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Humm not here he want you to visit his site and e-mail to him if want to understand something he don?t want to debate anything as he is trying to create a new sect who could follow him only. yes
Salaam
Ok I should have asked you about 2173
A Birthday cake is a food item dedicated to a person and the cake is specially made to celebrate an occasion of birth and it has the name of the birthday person so what would make it not harm as its has clearly name of other then God written on it.
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Salaam
Ok I should have asked you about 2173
A Birthday cake is a food item dedicated to a person and the cake is specially made to celebrate an occasion of birth and it has the name of the birthday person so what would make it not harm as its has clearly name of other then God written on it.
hmmand that over which (instead of mentioning the name of Allah, 6119,122, the name of) any other than Allah has been invoked (while slaughtering it, including those sacrificed for idol, 53, since by devouring such meat the spiritual side is affected, Acts 1529). But whoever is constrained (and eats of the forbidden food under compelling circumstances), without being disobedient (to His instructions) nor exceeding the limit (of dire necessity), no sin be upon him then. Allah is certainly most Forgiving (of the defaulters), most Rewarding (of the obedient).
Allah knows your innermost he knows that your intention so therefore birth day cake is not haram.jedi
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Salaam
Ok I should have asked you about 2173
A Birthday cake is a food item dedicated to a person and the cake is specially made to celebrate an occasion of birth and it has the name of the birthday person so what would make it not harm as its has clearly name of other then God written on it.
hmmhow about this is it haram or not hmm
http//www.waleg.com/archives/001378.html;D
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Salaam,
The birthday cake issue can be looked at in the following way-
• There is a difference between making something for a person and dedicating it in a religious sense. In reality if you do not make this distinction, you can't eat anything a person cooks for you.
• When eating, you always remember the name of Allah in gratitude.
The point here is if you suspect that the person who makes the cake somehow worships you and dedicates the cake to you in some religious sense (like for example food a hindu may make for their religious festivals dedicated to one of their idols), then it is haram. However if someone is just making a cake, or any food for a person or group of people, we have no basis to say it is haram.
Please let me know if this makes sense to you.
salaam
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and that over which (instead of mentioning the name of Allah, 6119,122, the name of) any other than Allah has been invoked (while slaughtering it, including those sacrificed for idol, 53, since by devouring such meat the spiritual side is affected, Acts 1529). But whoever is constrained (and eats of the forbidden food under compelling circumstances), without being disobedient (to His instructions) nor exceeding the limit (of dire necessity), no sin be upon him then. Allah is certainly most Forgiving (of the defaulters), most Rewarding (of the obedient).
Allah knows your innermost he knows that your intention so therefore birth day cake is not haram.jedi
Salaam
You are putting the explanations in the brackets, I may appear fanatical but if you do not put your own understanding in the brackets then a birthday cake comes under harm food,
He has only forbidden for you what is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was dedicated to other than God. Whoever finds himself forced out of need and without disobedience or animosity, then there is no sin upon him. God is Forgiving, MercifulSalaam,
The birthday cake issue can be looked at in the following way-
• There is a difference between making something for a person and dedicating it in a religious sense. In reality if you do not make this distinction, you can't eat anything a person cooks for you.
• When eating, you always remember the name of Allah in gratitude.
The point here is if you suspect that the person who makes the cake somehow worships you and dedicates the cake to you in some religious sense (like for example food a hindu may make for their religious festivals dedicated to one of their idols), then it is haram. However if someone is just making a cake, or any food for a person or group of people, we have no basis to say it is haram.
Please let me know
salaam
I know exactly what you are saying birthday cakes have become such an integral part of parties that no one would like to think twice. I too can take a modern logical approach but religious or not that is not the issue, I am simply looking at the red highlighted part of 2173 which clearly forbids any food dedicated to other then Allah and unlike rest of the party foods birthday cakes are definitely dedicated to a person's birth especially with the name of person written on it, yes
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Salaam
You are putting the explanations in the brackets, I may appear fanatical but if you do not put your own understanding in the brackets then a birthday cake comes under harm food,
He has only forbidden for you what is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was dedicated to other than God. Whoever finds himself forced out of need and without disobedience or animosity, then there is no sin upon him. God is Forgiving, Merciful
I know exactly what you are saying birthday cakes have become such an integral part of parties that no one would like to think twice. I too can take a modern logical approach but religious or not that is not the issue, I am simply looking at the red highlighted part of 2173 which clearly forbids any food dedicated to other then Allah and unlike rest of the party foods birthday cakes are definitely dedicated to a person's birth especially with the name of person written on it, yesLols you sound like a sunni sheikh, but it is your intention that counts not your dees.
God evaluates peoples? deeds according to the intentions behind them. This meaning is referred to in the Qur?an when it talks about animals which are sacrificed during the rites of pilgrimage, where it says what means
(Al-Hajj 2237)
When you offer that food in the name of deity or saint then it become haram but the name on birthday cake is not written with same intention.
Now let me tell you something in Yemen sheikhs sends Mangos to Japan to encrypt their name on it and offering them to their guests and friend do you want to say that is haram if you write my name on a goat not considering me a god or something like that does it make that goat haram. nope
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Lols you sound like a sunni sheikh, but it is your intention that counts not your dees.
Salaam
Ok I may sound like a sunni sheikh but I definately do not look like one sunGod evaluates peoples? deeds according to the intentions behind them. This meaning is referred to in the Qur?an when it talks about animals which are sacrificed during the rites of pilgrimage, where it says what means
(Al-Hajj 2237)
Agree but the intention behind a birthday cake, ordered at the bakers, is to order a cake dedicated to a person (a wedding cake is a different matter) and thus to celebrate other than God and falls under what was dedicated to other than God.
Now let me tell you something in Yemen sheikhs sends Mangos to Japan to encrypt their name on it and offering them to their guests and friend do you want to say that is haram if you write my name on a goat not considering me a god or something like that does it make that goat haram.
Two wrongs dont make a right and giving examples of mad sheikhs or Lebanese dancers does not in any way makes it permissible unless it's your nafs asking you to not look too much into its details or you may have to miss out on your cake; you love you cake and so want to eat it eat
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Salaam
Ok I may sound like a sunni sheikh but I definately do not look like one sun
Agree but the intention behind a birthday cake, ordered at the bakers, is to order a cake dedicated to a person (a wedding cake is a different matter) and thus to celebrate other than God and falls under what was dedicated to other than God.Two wrongs dont make a right and giving examples of mad sheikhs or Lebanese dancers does not in any way makes it permissible unless it's your nafs asking you to not look too much into its details or you may have to miss out on your cake; you love you cake and so want to eat it eat
Looks like you have diabetic are you may don?t like cake
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How about the food you buy from the maeket with name on it hmm
The cake is specially ordered as a birthday cake and, from start to finish, it is dedicated to a person unlike other mass produced food in the supermaket, walkers crips or jacobs biscuits. eat
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I love cakes, especially fresh cream cakes with nice, ripe strawberries and layers of thin wine linings at the bottom and no name on top. eat
{Forbidden to you (for food) are dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which has been invoked the name of other than Allah; that which has been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows that is impiety...} (Al-Ma'ida 53)
On your birth day cake your name is written I?m not invoking your name I?m not considering you a god but if Christian cut it saying Jesus crest or Hindu invoking their god?s name then it is haramjedi
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{Forbidden to you (for food) are dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which has been invoked the name of other than Allah; that which has been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows that is impiety...} (Al-Ma'ida 53)
On your birth day cake your name is written I?m not invoking your name I?m not considering you a god but if Christian cut it saying Jesus crest or Hindu invoking their god?s name then it is haramjedi
Just to be on the safe side think again. hmm It does not say which has been invoked with the names of other GODS than God; it simply says name of other than Allah.
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Just to be on the safe side think again. hmm It does not say which has been invoked with the names of other GODS than God; it simply says name of other than Allah.
peaceThose who invoke not, with Allah, any other god, nor slay such life as Allah has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment." [
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Those who invoke not, with Allah, any other god, nor slay such life as Allah has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment." [
This is not about forbidden foods; this is the main message given to us all the time there are no other gods but God
I am talking about the list of food harm in 2173
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And it does not bother me if it makes me look stupid but I dont mind giving up small delights of this entertaining world. &
laugh That is ok what do you think about this is it haram or not hmm
BONE PHOSPHATE - E542 An anti-caking agent made from the degreased steam-extract from animal bones.
COCHINEAL/CARMINE - E120, E122 A red dyestuff consisting of dried bodies of female cochineal insects. Note E124 Ponceau 4R is acceptable although it is sometimes known as Cochineal Red A.
GELATINE Gelatine is an odourless, tasteless, protein substance like glue or jelly, obtained by boiling the bones, hoofs, and other waste parts of animals. Vegetarian alternatives such as Agar Agar and Gelozone exist.
GLYCERINE - E422 May be produced from animal fats, synthesised from propylene or from fermentation of sugars..
L-CYSTEINE A flavour and improving agent manufactured from animal hair and chicken feathers.
MAGNESIUM STEARATE May be made from animal fat. Often found in medicines.
RENNET (ANIMAL) An enzyme taken from the stomach of a newly killed calf used in the cheese making process. Vegetarian cheese is produced using microbial or fungal enzymes, or chymosin.
VANILLA EXTRACT Vanilla is a plant product. It is extracted with alcohol as the solvent of choice, from the vanilla bean and is normally kept in a solution containing alcohol. If you examine at a bottle of vanilla extract, you will find it lists alcohol as an ingredient, along with the percentage of alcohol.
WHEY During cheese making, a coagulum is formed by clotting milk with rennet. When the coagulum is cut, a watery liquid known as whey is released and drained off leaving the curd to be salted and further processed into cheese. Whey contains water, fat, protein, lactose, minerals and lactic acid. Cream, butter, cheese, drinks, syrups and powder are some of the products made from whey.
SHELLAC E904 a resin from the lac insect
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