"Halal" meat
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Lols you sound like a sunni sheikh, but it is your intention that counts not your dees.
Salaam
Ok I may sound like a sunni sheikh but I definately do not look like one sunGod evaluates peoples? deeds according to the intentions behind them. This meaning is referred to in the Qur?an when it talks about animals which are sacrificed during the rites of pilgrimage, where it says what means
(Al-Hajj 2237)
Agree but the intention behind a birthday cake, ordered at the bakers, is to order a cake dedicated to a person (a wedding cake is a different matter) and thus to celebrate other than God and falls under what was dedicated to other than God.
Now let me tell you something in Yemen sheikhs sends Mangos to Japan to encrypt their name on it and offering them to their guests and friend do you want to say that is haram if you write my name on a goat not considering me a god or something like that does it make that goat haram.
Two wrongs dont make a right and giving examples of mad sheikhs or Lebanese dancers does not in any way makes it permissible unless it's your nafs asking you to not look too much into its details or you may have to miss out on your cake; you love you cake and so want to eat it eat
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Salaam
Ok I may sound like a sunni sheikh but I definately do not look like one sun
Agree but the intention behind a birthday cake, ordered at the bakers, is to order a cake dedicated to a person (a wedding cake is a different matter) and thus to celebrate other than God and falls under what was dedicated to other than God.Two wrongs dont make a right and giving examples of mad sheikhs or Lebanese dancers does not in any way makes it permissible unless it's your nafs asking you to not look too much into its details or you may have to miss out on your cake; you love you cake and so want to eat it eat
Looks like you have diabetic are you may don?t like cake
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How about the food you buy from the maeket with name on it hmm
The cake is specially ordered as a birthday cake and, from start to finish, it is dedicated to a person unlike other mass produced food in the supermaket, walkers crips or jacobs biscuits. eat
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I love cakes, especially fresh cream cakes with nice, ripe strawberries and layers of thin wine linings at the bottom and no name on top. eat
{Forbidden to you (for food) are dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which has been invoked the name of other than Allah; that which has been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows that is impiety...} (Al-Ma'ida 53)
On your birth day cake your name is written I?m not invoking your name I?m not considering you a god but if Christian cut it saying Jesus crest or Hindu invoking their god?s name then it is haramjedi
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{Forbidden to you (for food) are dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which has been invoked the name of other than Allah; that which has been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows that is impiety...} (Al-Ma'ida 53)
On your birth day cake your name is written I?m not invoking your name I?m not considering you a god but if Christian cut it saying Jesus crest or Hindu invoking their god?s name then it is haramjedi
Just to be on the safe side think again. hmm It does not say which has been invoked with the names of other GODS than God; it simply says name of other than Allah.
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Just to be on the safe side think again. hmm It does not say which has been invoked with the names of other GODS than God; it simply says name of other than Allah.
peaceThose who invoke not, with Allah, any other god, nor slay such life as Allah has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment." [
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Those who invoke not, with Allah, any other god, nor slay such life as Allah has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment." [
This is not about forbidden foods; this is the main message given to us all the time there are no other gods but God
I am talking about the list of food harm in 2173
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And it does not bother me if it makes me look stupid but I dont mind giving up small delights of this entertaining world. &
laugh That is ok what do you think about this is it haram or not hmm
BONE PHOSPHATE - E542 An anti-caking agent made from the degreased steam-extract from animal bones.
COCHINEAL/CARMINE - E120, E122 A red dyestuff consisting of dried bodies of female cochineal insects. Note E124 Ponceau 4R is acceptable although it is sometimes known as Cochineal Red A.
GELATINE Gelatine is an odourless, tasteless, protein substance like glue or jelly, obtained by boiling the bones, hoofs, and other waste parts of animals. Vegetarian alternatives such as Agar Agar and Gelozone exist.
GLYCERINE - E422 May be produced from animal fats, synthesised from propylene or from fermentation of sugars..
L-CYSTEINE A flavour and improving agent manufactured from animal hair and chicken feathers.
MAGNESIUM STEARATE May be made from animal fat. Often found in medicines.
RENNET (ANIMAL) An enzyme taken from the stomach of a newly killed calf used in the cheese making process. Vegetarian cheese is produced using microbial or fungal enzymes, or chymosin.
VANILLA EXTRACT Vanilla is a plant product. It is extracted with alcohol as the solvent of choice, from the vanilla bean and is normally kept in a solution containing alcohol. If you examine at a bottle of vanilla extract, you will find it lists alcohol as an ingredient, along with the percentage of alcohol.
WHEY During cheese making, a coagulum is formed by clotting milk with rennet. When the coagulum is cut, a watery liquid known as whey is released and drained off leaving the curd to be salted and further processed into cheese. Whey contains water, fat, protein, lactose, minerals and lactic acid. Cream, butter, cheese, drinks, syrups and powder are some of the products made from whey.
SHELLAC E904 a resin from the lac insect
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salaam,
Why the mockery of farida? He/she is not making totally unreasonable posts. He/she is making a point or asking a question based upon a specific bit or revelation. Instead, deal with it like you don't have some pet belief to lose.
To farida -
- Define exactly what you understand by the portion from 2173, "dedicated to other than Allah".
- If you order a pizza, they may have your name on the order, the pizza will be made just for you, as you want it. Would you eat it?
I want to know exactly what your understanding is before I discuss more.
To afridi220 -
Why don't you make an effort to categorise the ingredients in that list? Use logic and some research, you will be able to decide.
Salaam
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laugh That is ok what do you think about this is it haram or not hmm
BONE PHOSPHATE - E542 An anti-caking agent made from the degreased steam-extract from animal bones.
COCHINEAL/CARMINE - E120, E122 A red dyestuff consisting of dried bodies of female cochineal insects. Note E124 Ponceau 4R is acceptable although it is sometimes known as Cochineal Red A.
GELATINE Gelatine is an odourless, tasteless, protein substance like glue or jelly, obtained by boiling the bones, hoofs, and other waste parts of animals. Vegetarian alternatives such as Agar Agar and Gelozone exist.
GLYCERINE - E422 May be produced from animal fats, synthesised from propylene or from fermentation of sugars..
L-CYSTEINE A flavour and improving agent manufactured from animal hair and chicken feathers.
MAGNESIUM STEARATE May be made from animal fat. Often found in medicines.
RENNET (ANIMAL) An enzyme taken from the stomach of a newly killed calf used in the cheese making process. Vegetarian cheese is produced using microbial or fungal enzymes, or chymosin.
VANILLA EXTRACT Vanilla is a plant product. It is extracted with alcohol as the solvent of choice, from the vanilla bean and is normally kept in a solution containing alcohol. If you examine at a bottle of vanilla extract, you will find it lists alcohol as an ingredient, along with the percentage of alcohol.
WHEY During cheese making, a coagulum is formed by clotting milk with rennet. When the coagulum is cut, a watery liquid known as whey is released and drained off leaving the curd to be salted and further processed into cheese. Whey contains water, fat, protein, lactose, minerals and lactic acid. Cream, butter, cheese, drinks, syrups and powder are some of the products made from whey.
SHELLAC E904 a resin from the lac insect
peaceHave you got that list from a sunni site?
The list is just fanatical, or may be worth pondering for health freaks, I don't care much about all this, to me wine sauce or gelatine is okay as it excludes pigs meat(ONLY MEAT OF PIG IS HARAM) and wine is burned in cooking process .
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To farida -
- Define exactly what you understand by the portion from 2173, "dedicated to other than Allah".
- If you order a pizza, they may have your name on the order, the pizza will be made just for you, as you want it. Would you eat it?
I want to know exactly what your understanding is before I discuss more.
Salaam
Salaam
Please read my previous posts to understand my position. I am quite comfortable with my feelings about the birthday cake issue and comparing it to pizza or any other specially prepared food is, IMO taking it to extremes.
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salaam,
Why the mockery of farida? He/she is not making totally unreasonable posts. He/she is making a point or asking a question based upon a specific bit or revelation. Instead, deal with it like you don't have some pet belief to lose.
Salaam
Thank you for the advice im not mocking her and she knows that . )peace
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Um..ok...I thought that eating meat is ok someone mentions a name OTHER than God, right?
6121 And do not eat from that which the Name of God has not been mentioned, for it is wickedness.
Isn't this kind of saying if no name AT ALL wasn't mentioned, it's haram?
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Um..ok...I thought that eating meat is ok someone mentions a name OTHER than God, right?
6121 And do not eat from that which the Name of God has not been mentioned, for it is wickedness.
Isn't this kind of saying if no name AT ALL wasn't mentioned, it's haram?
You yourself have to mention God's name upon everything that you eat.
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You yourself have to mention God's name upon everything that you eat.
what is God's name?