"Halal" meat

afridi220

Salaam
You are putting the explanations in the brackets, I may appear fanatical but if you do not put your own understanding in the brackets then a birthday cake comes under harm food,
He has only forbidden for you what is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was dedicated to other than God. Whoever finds himself forced out of need and without disobedience or animosity, then there is no sin upon him. God is Forgiving, Merciful
I know exactly what you are saying birthday cakes have become such an integral part of parties that no one would like to think twice. I too can take a modern logical approach but religious or not that is not the issue, I am simply looking at the red highlighted part of 2173 which clearly forbids any food dedicated to other then Allah and unlike rest of the party foods birthday cakes are definitely dedicated to a person's birth especially with the name of person written on it, yes

Lols you sound like a sunni sheikh, but it is your intention that counts not your dees.

God evaluates peoples? deeds according to the intentions behind them. This meaning is referred to in the Qur?an when it talks about animals which are sacrificed during the rites of pilgrimage, where it says what means

(Al-Hajj 2237)

When you offer that food in the name of deity or saint then it become haram but the name on birthday cake is not written with same intention.

Now let me tell you something in Yemen sheikhs sends Mangos to Japan to encrypt their name on it and offering them to their guests and friend do you want to say that is haram if you write my name on a goat not considering me a god or something like that does it make that goat haram. nope

laugh

farida

Lols you sound like a sunni sheikh, but it is your intention that counts not your dees.

Salaam
Ok I may sound like a sunni sheikh but I definately do not look like one sun

God evaluates peoples? deeds according to the intentions behind them. This meaning is referred to in the Qur?an when it talks about animals which are sacrificed during the rites of pilgrimage, where it says what means

(Al-Hajj 2237)

Agree but the intention behind a birthday cake, ordered at the bakers, is to order a cake dedicated to a person (a wedding cake is a different matter) and thus to celebrate other than God and falls under what was dedicated to other than God.

Now let me tell you something in Yemen sheikhs sends Mangos to Japan to encrypt their name on it and offering them to their guests and friend do you want to say that is haram if you write my name on a goat not considering me a god or something like that does it make that goat haram.

Two wrongs dont make a right and giving examples of mad sheikhs or Lebanese dancers does not in any way makes it permissible unless it's your nafs asking you to not look too much into its details or you may have to miss out on your cake; you love you cake and so want to eat it eat

afridi220

Salaam
Ok I may sound like a sunni sheikh but I definately do not look like one sun
Agree but the intention behind a birthday cake, ordered at the bakers, is to order a cake dedicated to a person (a wedding cake is a different matter) and thus to celebrate other than God and falls under what was dedicated to other than God.

Two wrongs dont make a right and giving examples of mad sheikhs or Lebanese dancers does not in any way makes it permissible unless it's your nafs asking you to not look too much into its details or you may have to miss out on your cake; you love you cake and so want to eat it eat

Looks like you have diabetic are you may don?t like cake
nope

farida

Looks like you have diabetic are you may don?t like cake
nope

I love cakes, especially fresh cream cakes with nice, ripe strawberries and layers of thin wine linings at the bottom and no name on top. eat

afridi220

I love cakes, especially fresh cream cakes with nice, ripe strawberries and layers of thin wine linings at the bottom and no name on top. eat

How about the food you buy from the maeket with name on it hmm

farida

How about the food you buy from the maeket with name on it hmm

The cake is specially ordered as a birthday cake and, from start to finish, it is dedicated to a person unlike other mass produced food in the supermaket, walkers crips or jacobs biscuits. eat

afridi220

I love cakes, especially fresh cream cakes with nice, ripe strawberries and layers of thin wine linings at the bottom and no name on top. eat

{Forbidden to you (for food) are dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which has been invoked the name of other than Allah; that which has been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows that is impiety...} (Al-Ma'ida 53)

On your birth day cake your name is written I?m not invoking your name I?m not considering you a god but if Christian cut it saying Jesus crest or Hindu invoking their god?s name then it is haramjedi

farida

{Forbidden to you (for food) are dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which has been invoked the name of other than Allah; that which has been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows that is impiety...} (Al-Ma'ida 53)

On your birth day cake your name is written I?m not invoking your name I?m not considering you a god but if Christian cut it saying Jesus crest or Hindu invoking their god?s name then it is haramjedi

Just to be on the safe side think again. hmm It does not say which has been invoked with the names of other GODS than God; it simply says name of other than Allah.
peace

afridi220

Just to be on the safe side think again. hmm It does not say which has been invoked with the names of other GODS than God; it simply says name of other than Allah.
peace

Those who invoke not, with Allah, any other god, nor slay such life as Allah has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment." [

farida

Those who invoke not, with Allah, any other god, nor slay such life as Allah has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment." [

This is not about forbidden foods; this is the main message given to us all the time there are no other gods but God
I am talking about the list of food harm in 2173
peace

afridi220

This is not about forbidden foods; this is the main message given to us all the time there are no other gods but God
I am talking about the list of food harm in 2173
peace

i think you are confused laugh

farida

i think you are confused laugh

And it does not bother me if it makes me look stupid but I dont mind giving up small delights of this entertaining world. &

afridi220

And it does not bother me if it makes me look stupid but I dont mind giving up small delights of this entertaining world. &

laugh That is ok what do you think about this is it haram or not hmm

BONE PHOSPHATE - E542 An anti-caking agent made from the degreased steam-extract from animal bones.

COCHINEAL/CARMINE - E120, E122 A red dyestuff consisting of dried bodies of female cochineal insects. Note E124 Ponceau 4R is acceptable although it is sometimes known as Cochineal Red A.

GELATINE Gelatine is an odourless, tasteless, protein substance like glue or jelly, obtained by boiling the bones, hoofs, and other waste parts of animals. Vegetarian alternatives such as Agar Agar and Gelozone exist.

GLYCERINE - E422 May be produced from animal fats, synthesised from propylene or from fermentation of sugars..

L-CYSTEINE A flavour and improving agent manufactured from animal hair and chicken feathers.

MAGNESIUM STEARATE May be made from animal fat. Often found in medicines.

RENNET (ANIMAL) An enzyme taken from the stomach of a newly killed calf used in the cheese making process. Vegetarian cheese is produced using microbial or fungal enzymes, or chymosin.

VANILLA EXTRACT Vanilla is a plant product. It is extracted with alcohol as the solvent of choice, from the vanilla bean and is normally kept in a solution containing alcohol. If you examine at a bottle of vanilla extract, you will find it lists alcohol as an ingredient, along with the percentage of alcohol.

WHEY During cheese making, a coagulum is formed by clotting milk with rennet. When the coagulum is cut, a watery liquid known as whey is released and drained off leaving the curd to be salted and further processed into cheese. Whey contains water, fat, protein, lactose, minerals and lactic acid. Cream, butter, cheese, drinks, syrups and powder are some of the products made from whey.

SHELLAC E904 a resin from the lac insect
peace

pcborg

salaam,

Why the mockery of farida? He/she is not making totally unreasonable posts. He/she is making a point or asking a question based upon a specific bit or revelation. Instead, deal with it like you don't have some pet belief to lose.

To farida -

Define exactly what you understand by the portion from 2173, "dedicated to other than Allah".
If you order a pizza, they may have your name on the order, the pizza will be made just for you, as you want it. Would you eat it?

I want to know exactly what your understanding is before I discuss more.

To afridi220 -

Why don't you make an effort to categorise the ingredients in that list? Use logic and some research, you will be able to decide.

Salaam

farida