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    truthseeker11
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    Peace Ayman,

    My research so far indicates that you are right. Following are the average temperatures for NYC before and after summer solstice

    http//www.accuweather.com/us/ny/new-york/10001/forecast-normals.asp?partner=netweather&traveler=1&zipchg=1&metric=0&month=6

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      Samia
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      Peace Samia
      Let the actual debater Ayman accept that he does not know ,then I will put.
      Why don't you ask him to put it or accept it.
      Regards

      This is not about Ayman nor Rassulhamsa. It's about your unacceptable way of discussing. From your response I understand that you are unable to answer the very question you think you are challenging others with, so please do not participate with the intention of challenging others and intimidating them, thus derailing serious discussions. . End of this discussion.

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        ayman
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        Peace everyone,

        The night of the scorching full-moon for 2009 is coming on July 6 for the Northern Hemisphere. Therefore, the fast starts on July 7 for 10 days and so the last day of fasting is July 16th. Here is the data for the Washington DC Area

        WASHINGTON, DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
        W 77 02, N38 53
        Altitude and Azimuth of the Moon
        Jul 6, 2009
        Eastern Standard Time
        Time Altitude Azimuth Fraction Illuminated
        1930 0.6 123.5 1.00
        1940 2.0 125.1 1.00
        1950 3.5 126.6 1.00
        2000 4.9 128.2 1.00
        2010 6.4 129.9 1.00
        2020 7.8 131.6 1.00
        2030 9.2 133.3 1.00
        2040 10.5 135.0 1.00
        2050 11.9 136.8 1.00
        2100 13.1 138.7 1.00
        2110 14.4 140.5 1.00
        2120 15.6 142.5 1.00
        2130 16.7 144.4 1.00
        2140 17.8 146.5 1.00
        2150 18.8 148.5 1.00
        2200 19.8 150.6 1.00
        2210 20.7 152.8 1.00
        2220 21.5 155.0 1.00
        2230 22.3 157.2 1.00
        2240 23.0 159.5 1.00
        2250 23.7 161.8 1.00
        2300 24.2 164.1 1.00
        2310 24.7 166.5 1.00
        2320 25.1 168.9 1.00
        2330 25.5 171.3 1.00
        2340 25.7 173.8 1.00
        2350 25.9 176.2 1.00

        0000 26.0 178.7 1.00
        0010 26.0 181.1 1.00
        0020 26.0 183.6 1.00
        0030 25.8 186.1 1.00
        0040 25.6 188.5 1.00
        0050 25.3 191.0 1.00
        0100 24.9 193.4 1.00
        0110 24.5 195.8 1.00
        0120 23.9 198.1 1.00
        0130 23.3 200.5 1.00
        0140 22.6 202.7 1.00
        0150 21.9 205.0 1.00
        0200 21.1 207.2 1.00
        0210 20.2 209.4 1.00
        0220 19.2 211.5 1.00
        0230 18.2 213.6 1.00
        0240 17.2 215.7 1.00
        0250 16.1 217.7 1.00
        0300 14.9 219.6 1.00
        0310 13.7 221.5 1.00
        0320 12.4 223.4 1.00
        0330 11.1 225.2 1.00
        0340 9.8 227.0 1.00
        0350 8.4 228.8 1.00
        0400 7.0 230.5 1.00
        0410 5.6 232.2 1.00
        0420 4.1 233.8 1.00
        0430 2.7 235.4 1.00
        0440 1.3 237.0 1.00

        From
        http//aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/AltAz.php

        Peace,

        Ayman

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          No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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          That fast is going to be hard... aprox. 18-19 hours in summer...good luck.

          I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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            ayman
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            Peace Progressive1993,

            That fast is going to be hard... aprox. 18-19 hours in summer...good luck.

            Thanks for the encouragement. Keep in mind that per 2184, those who can fast but with difficulty, can instead feed the needy.

            Notice that feeding the needy at the time of hardship is described as taking the steep path in 9014-16. Fasting on the hottest time of the year and when days are longest is also taking the steep path.

            Peace,

            Ayman

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              Ahmad_Bilal
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              Peace Ayman,

              I have a question about the period of "shahru ramadaan"... Based on 2184, you agree that we can substitute the action of "seyaam" by feeding the poor. However, shouldn't the poor people be fasting/abstaining from food too (if this is what the act of seyaam is implying)? What if we approach a poor muslim, can he eat during this period if he witnesses the "shahru ramadaan"? Or is it possible that the act of "seyaam" is referring to something other than abstaining from eating and drinking? I was just wondering, since this is something I couldn't understand from the passage... How do we know that the Qur'aanic command to "abstain" is speaking about from eating and drinking?

              Peace,

              Ahmad

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                truthseeker11
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                Peace everyone,

                1. The poor don't have enough food to eat for the whole year and they are in a perpetual state of abstinence from food for the whole year. The annual time of abstinence will actually be a time for them to rejoice because some believers might feed them and they will have enough food for at least the duration of abstinence. I know a person who is poor and she resides in a highly developed country. She has been eating only once a day for a long time now. What I am talking about is a reality.

                2. The annual abstinence is only for the mumineen/believers and not for all muslimeen. There are a lot of poor muslimeen too; not all of them are mumineen.

                3. There are an overwhelming majority of poor who are not even muslimeen. The qur'aan does not ask us to feed the poor muslimeen only. They could belong to any faith or religion.

                A little common sense goes a long way to understand the qur'aanic commandments.

                The only time there will be no poor to feed during the time of abstinence is if there are no more poor people in the world which is impossible or if all the poor people are also mumineen which is again impossible

                6116 And if you obey the majority of those on Earth they will lead you away from God?s path; that is because they follow conjecture, and that is because they only guess.

                This sign makes it clear that the majority of the people lead away from the god's path so all poor people in the world being mumineen will be impossible.

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                  ayman
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                  Peace Ahmad,

                  I have a question about the period of "shahru ramadaan"... Based on 2184, you agree that we can substitute the action of "seyaam" by feeding the poor. However, shouldn't the poor people be fasting/abstaining from food too (if this is what the act of seyaam is implying)? What if we approach a poor muslim, can he eat during this period if he witnesses the "shahru ramadaan"? Or is it possible that the act of "seyaam" is referring to something other than abstaining from eating and drinking? I was just wondering, since this is something I couldn't understand from the passage... How do we know that the Qur'aanic command to "abstain" is speaking about from eating and drinking?

                  I think that 2187 makes it clear that the abstinence is from the following 3 things

                  1. Sexual contact
                  2. Food
                  3. Drink

                  The poor should be abstaining too. However, everyone, poor or not can eat after sunset. What do the poor do now when they fast 30 days using the sectarian timing? Does everyone stop feeding the poor because of this and they starve to death? Certainly not! In fact, during those 30 days the poor have a lot more access to food because many good citizens set up public feasts at sunset.

                  Peace,

                  Ayman

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                    No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                    The poor should be abstaining too. However, everyone, poor or not can eat after sunset.

                    When do you break your fast? Full darkness of the night or dusk?

                    I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                      ayman
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                      Peace Progressive1993,

                      When do you break your fast? Full darkness of the night or dusk?

                      According to the great reading, night starts at sunset as it is merged into daylight. So the abstinence ends when night starts at sunset.

                      Peace,

                      Ayman

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                        Q_student
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                        Peace
                        Ramadhan (the month of fasting ) is likely to start to start during the last ten days of August because today is Rajab 1.
                        Regards

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                          No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                          Peace
                          Ramadhan (the month of fasting ) is likely to start to start during the last ten days of August because today is Rajab 1.
                          Regards

                          It's the 21st

                          I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                            ayman
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                            Had Umar decided to make the new era start on 616CE instead of 622CE then what sectarians now call Rajab 1 would have been Ramadhan 1 and they would be fasting right now.

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                              Had Umar decided to make the new era start on 616CE instead of 622CE then what sectarians now call Rajab 1 would have been Ramadhan 1 and they would be fasting right now.

                              Thank God that he didnt. laugh
                              I dont care about the shifiting, BTW.

                              I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                                Thank God that he didnt. laugh
                                I dont care about the shifiting, BTW.

                                And Umar did not try to befool people with "inscriptions".
                                Regards

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                                  And Umar did not try to befool people with "inscriptions".
                                  Regards

                                  so how did he try to befool people then? in the name of "authorities"? confused

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                                    procrastinator
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                                    i havent had a chance to really read this article, but wasnt umar the second caliph... and one of the prophets (saw) companions? if so how could he have gotten this soo wrong?

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                                      i havent had a chance to really read this article, but wasnt umar the second caliph... and one of the prophets (saw) companions? if so how could he have gotten this soo wrong?

                                      They didnt
                                      The current Ramadan is the correct one.

                                      I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                                        procrastinator
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                                        They didnt
                                        The current Ramadan is the correct one.

                                        yh i agree

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                                          And Umar did not try to befool people with "inscriptions".
                                          Regards

                                          But why you are so sure that Umar made the new calendar????

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