Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Peace everyone,
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The poor don't have enough food to eat for the whole year and they are in a perpetual state of abstinence from food for the whole year. The annual time of abstinence will actually be a time for them to rejoice because some believers might feed them and they will have enough food for at least the duration of abstinence. I know a person who is poor and she resides in a highly developed country. She has been eating only once a day for a long time now. What I am talking about is a reality.
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The annual abstinence is only for the mumineen/believers and not for all muslimeen. There are a lot of poor muslimeen too; not all of them are mumineen.
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There are an overwhelming majority of poor who are not even muslimeen. The qur'aan does not ask us to feed the poor muslimeen only. They could belong to any faith or religion.
A little common sense goes a long way to understand the qur'aanic commandments.
The only time there will be no poor to feed during the time of abstinence is if there are no more poor people in the world which is impossible or if all the poor people are also mumineen which is again impossible
6116 And if you obey the majority of those on Earth they will lead you away from God?s path; that is because they follow conjecture, and that is because they only guess.
This sign makes it clear that the majority of the people lead away from the god's path so all poor people in the world being mumineen will be impossible.
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Peace Ahmad,
I have a question about the period of "shahru ramadaan"... Based on 2184, you agree that we can substitute the action of "seyaam" by feeding the poor. However, shouldn't the poor people be fasting/abstaining from food too (if this is what the act of seyaam is implying)? What if we approach a poor muslim, can he eat during this period if he witnesses the "shahru ramadaan"? Or is it possible that the act of "seyaam" is referring to something other than abstaining from eating and drinking? I was just wondering, since this is something I couldn't understand from the passage... How do we know that the Qur'aanic command to "abstain" is speaking about from eating and drinking?
I think that 2187 makes it clear that the abstinence is from the following 3 things
- Sexual contact
- Food
- Drink
The poor should be abstaining too. However, everyone, poor or not can eat after sunset. What do the poor do now when they fast 30 days using the sectarian timing? Does everyone stop feeding the poor because of this and they starve to death? Certainly not! In fact, during those 30 days the poor have a lot more access to food because many good citizens set up public feasts at sunset.
Peace,
Ayman
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The poor should be abstaining too. However, everyone, poor or not can eat after sunset.
When do you break your fast? Full darkness of the night or dusk?
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Peace
Ramadhan (the month of fasting ) is likely to start to start during the last ten days of August because today is Rajab 1.
RegardsIt's the 21st
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Had Umar decided to make the new era start on 616CE instead of 622CE then what sectarians now call Rajab 1 would have been Ramadhan 1 and they would be fasting right now.
Thank God that he didnt. laugh
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And Umar did not try to befool people with "inscriptions".
Regardsso how did he try to befool people then? in the name of "authorities"? confused
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i havent had a chance to really read this article, but wasnt umar the second caliph... and one of the prophets (saw) companions? if so how could he have gotten this soo wrong?
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i havent had a chance to really read this article, but wasnt umar the second caliph... and one of the prophets (saw) companions? if so how could he have gotten this soo wrong?
They didnt
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They didnt
The current Ramadan is the correct one.yh i agree
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Peace Procrastinator,
i havent had a chance to really read this article, but wasnt umar the second caliph... and one of the prophets (saw) companions? if so how could he have gotten this soo wrong?
If you think that the present timing could be "so wrong" then the question of "how" or "who" is irrelevant since it doesn't magically make the timing right or non-arbitrary.
Unfortunately, the majority of so-called Muslims have been raised on hero-worship of the so-called Sahaba such as Umar. So deep inside they think that those guys were infallible. However, in reality all the instances of the prophet's "sahaba" in the great reading cast them in a negative light. In the two cases where they are mentioned in 532 and 8122 they thought that the prophet is crazy and lost. Moreover, there is absolutely ZERO evidence that Umar ever met or even saw the prophet. It seems that to gain legitimacy every ruler had to claim to have a lineage or connection to the prophet. Rulers in the middle east do it to the present day.
The real questions that you need to be asking are the following
- Is the sectarian timing arbitrary? The answer is absolutely YES.
- Do animals and therefore hunting restrictions go by the solar cycle? The answer is absolutely YES.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Procrastinator,
Unfortunately, the majority of so-called Muslims have been raised on hero-worship of the so-called Sahaba such as Umar. So deep inside they think that those guys were infallible.
AymanPeace
Those were not infallible like any human being but those were the most RELIABLE groups because their righteousness and sincerity is evident even in the Quran because they got divine certificate.Quran does not allow any "inscription " based interpretations.
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Those were not infallible like any human being but those were the most RELIABLE groups because their righteousness and sincerity is evident even in the Quran because they got divine certificate.
Quran does not allow any "inscription " based interpretations.
Regards
bravo
elhamdulillah, quran only allows hadith based interpretations
9 100 And the first to embrace Islam of the Muhajirun (those who migrated from Makkah to Al- Madinah, Umar, Abu bakr siddiq etc) and the Ansar (the citizens of Al- Madinah, abu ayyub alansari, Abu Mas'ud Al-Ansari etc who helped and gave aid to the Muhajirun) and also those who followed them exactly (in Faith). Allah is well-pleased with them* as they are well-pleased with Him. He has prepared for them Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise), to dwell therein forever. That is the supreme success.
- For the complete list of muhajireen and ansaar see Bukhari, Muslim etc
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bravo
elhamdulillah, quran only allows hadith based interpretations
9 100 And the first to embrace Islam of the Muhajirun (those who migrated from Makkah to Al- Madinah, Umar, Abu bakr siddiq etc) and the Ansar (the citizens of Al- Madinah, abu ayyub alansari, Abu Mas'ud Al-Ansari etc who helped and gave aid to the Muhajirun) and also those who followed them exactly (in Faith). Allah is well-pleased with them* as they are well-pleased with Him. He has prepared for them Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise), to dwell therein forever. That is the supreme success.
- For the complete list of muhajireen and ansaar see Bukhari, Muslim etc
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