Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Peace Ahmad,
I have a question about the period of "shahru ramadaan"... Based on 2184, you agree that we can substitute the action of "seyaam" by feeding the poor. However, shouldn't the poor people be fasting/abstaining from food too (if this is what the act of seyaam is implying)? What if we approach a poor muslim, can he eat during this period if he witnesses the "shahru ramadaan"? Or is it possible that the act of "seyaam" is referring to something other than abstaining from eating and drinking? I was just wondering, since this is something I couldn't understand from the passage... How do we know that the Qur'aanic command to "abstain" is speaking about from eating and drinking?
I think that 2187 makes it clear that the abstinence is from the following 3 things
- Sexual contact
- Food
- Drink
The poor should be abstaining too. However, everyone, poor or not can eat after sunset. What do the poor do now when they fast 30 days using the sectarian timing? Does everyone stop feeding the poor because of this and they starve to death? Certainly not! In fact, during those 30 days the poor have a lot more access to food because many good citizens set up public feasts at sunset.
Peace,
Ayman
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The poor should be abstaining too. However, everyone, poor or not can eat after sunset.
When do you break your fast? Full darkness of the night or dusk?
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Peace
Ramadhan (the month of fasting ) is likely to start to start during the last ten days of August because today is Rajab 1.
RegardsIt's the 21st
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Had Umar decided to make the new era start on 616CE instead of 622CE then what sectarians now call Rajab 1 would have been Ramadhan 1 and they would be fasting right now.
Thank God that he didnt. laugh
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And Umar did not try to befool people with "inscriptions".
Regardsso how did he try to befool people then? in the name of "authorities"? confused
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i havent had a chance to really read this article, but wasnt umar the second caliph... and one of the prophets (saw) companions? if so how could he have gotten this soo wrong?
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i havent had a chance to really read this article, but wasnt umar the second caliph... and one of the prophets (saw) companions? if so how could he have gotten this soo wrong?
They didnt
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They didnt
The current Ramadan is the correct one.yh i agree
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Peace Procrastinator,
i havent had a chance to really read this article, but wasnt umar the second caliph... and one of the prophets (saw) companions? if so how could he have gotten this soo wrong?
If you think that the present timing could be "so wrong" then the question of "how" or "who" is irrelevant since it doesn't magically make the timing right or non-arbitrary.
Unfortunately, the majority of so-called Muslims have been raised on hero-worship of the so-called Sahaba such as Umar. So deep inside they think that those guys were infallible. However, in reality all the instances of the prophet's "sahaba" in the great reading cast them in a negative light. In the two cases where they are mentioned in 532 and 8122 they thought that the prophet is crazy and lost. Moreover, there is absolutely ZERO evidence that Umar ever met or even saw the prophet. It seems that to gain legitimacy every ruler had to claim to have a lineage or connection to the prophet. Rulers in the middle east do it to the present day.
The real questions that you need to be asking are the following
- Is the sectarian timing arbitrary? The answer is absolutely YES.
- Do animals and therefore hunting restrictions go by the solar cycle? The answer is absolutely YES.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Procrastinator,
Unfortunately, the majority of so-called Muslims have been raised on hero-worship of the so-called Sahaba such as Umar. So deep inside they think that those guys were infallible.
AymanPeace
Those were not infallible like any human being but those were the most RELIABLE groups because their righteousness and sincerity is evident even in the Quran because they got divine certificate.Quran does not allow any "inscription " based interpretations.
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Those were not infallible like any human being but those were the most RELIABLE groups because their righteousness and sincerity is evident even in the Quran because they got divine certificate.
Quran does not allow any "inscription " based interpretations.
Regards
bravo
elhamdulillah, quran only allows hadith based interpretations
9 100 And the first to embrace Islam of the Muhajirun (those who migrated from Makkah to Al- Madinah, Umar, Abu bakr siddiq etc) and the Ansar (the citizens of Al- Madinah, abu ayyub alansari, Abu Mas'ud Al-Ansari etc who helped and gave aid to the Muhajirun) and also those who followed them exactly (in Faith). Allah is well-pleased with them* as they are well-pleased with Him. He has prepared for them Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise), to dwell therein forever. That is the supreme success.
- For the complete list of muhajireen and ansaar see Bukhari, Muslim etc
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bravo
elhamdulillah, quran only allows hadith based interpretations
9 100 And the first to embrace Islam of the Muhajirun (those who migrated from Makkah to Al- Madinah, Umar, Abu bakr siddiq etc) and the Ansar (the citizens of Al- Madinah, abu ayyub alansari, Abu Mas'ud Al-Ansari etc who helped and gave aid to the Muhajirun) and also those who followed them exactly (in Faith). Allah is well-pleased with them* as they are well-pleased with Him. He has prepared for them Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise), to dwell therein forever. That is the supreme success.
- For the complete list of muhajireen and ansaar see Bukhari, Muslim etc
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Peace Ayman,
I have the following comments on your Hot/?Ramadan? article. The quotations in red are excerpt from your article.
?Of course, our analysis indicates that the restriction period would be different between the southern and the northern hemisphere. This is fine.?
No, this is not fine because your theory/approach contradicts Quranic verses and defies common sense.
Your theory allows for two different nights of destiny, one in the July time-frame in the Northern hemisphere and the second one in January time-frame in the Southern hemisphere. The two nights are separated by about six months. And this contradicts Quranic verse 971 - We revealed it in the Night of Destiny. The Quran talks about one night of Destiny only. The below quote of yours implies that you agree with one night of Destiny as well. Therefore, you are contracting yourself from the get-go.
?Interestingly, after completing this article, we inadvertently found out exactly when the night of destiny ("laylat al-qadr" occurs. Simply, the great reading was descended in the night of the full-moon of scorching heat.?
Common sense would dictate that the night of Destiny will start in one hemisphere and end in the other hemisphere in 24 hours. The night sweeps the globe in 24 hours with known exception at the Polar Regions. This is consistent with the Quran and common sense (of many people).
Further, if we apply your definition ?The full moon of scorching heat?, we find that the scorching full moon of the southern hemisphere around January time-frame (perihelion) satisfies the definition. At this time the Earth is closest to the sun unlike the northern hemisphere aphelion (July 4). The problem is we don?t find Prophet Muhammad in the southern hemisphere. Hence, your theory proves that Quran was not reveled to Prophet Muhammad which in turns implies that the God is a liar. And that is not true. Therefore, your theory must be false.
The God created the moon (Earth) for us so that we can count the twelve months. The Quran is easy to understand. Therefore, the easy understanding of verse 936, 2189, 1433 is 1 moon cycle = 1 month. After counting 12 moon cycles we reset the count back to one again. There is nothing more and nothing less (no 13 moon nonsense). The moon cycles every 29.530 days.
The length of the solar cycle is 365.242 days. The Earth?s spin gives us days and nights. That is the service provided by the sun.
Pure solar and lunar cycles (calendars) are continually adrift against the seasons i.e. there is no connection between the seasons and the solar and lunar cycle. This is your Lord?s design. Are you questioning His design? Then why are you trying to connect the seasons to the solar and lunar cycles and bring new law to us? Are you trying to lead us astray? Or have you received a revelation from Him?
If the God wanted the season connection then He would have designed solar and lunar cycle accordingly.
The similitude is like this ?The God tells us to worship Him alone? but most people do the opposite. Likewise, the God tells us not to make new religious law (e.g. start fasting in hot full moon) but many of us do. The God has just the right punishment waiting for the disbeliever. Just wait and see.
The God said if you cannot fast in the month of Ramadan due to illness you can make it up another time. He did not say you will get less credit because you did not fast in the month of Ramadan. This proves that there are no seasonal ties to the fasting month.
Of course, there is nothing wrong in using solar cycle or lunar cycle or both together to solve some worldly problems such as determining the most optimum time to sow seeds. These are the deviation and not the standard. The standards are the natural lunar and solar cycles and according to the Quran our religious matter must be based on these standards.
?This is confirmed by archeological evidence from coins and manuscripts of the era. ?
Flawed approach If you accept this then you must also accept Jesus as son of God, Idol worship and other nonsense archeological dig. Remember you cannot pick and choose evidence after you have accepted the archeological approach to determine truth from falsehood i.e. any archeological find is truth. How do you handle a situation where today?s archeological finding is contradicted by future archeological findings? How do you account for true evidence that is lost for ever? How do you define a complete archeological evidence set? A conclusion based on a incomplete set of evidence is not trustworthy (equates to hearsay, hadith). Do you believe in king Tut and sun worship?
?So the timing of Ramadan today is dependent not only on the sighting of the new crescent moon but on an arbitrary decision that was made many centuries ago.?
Tying a calendar to an event does not change the lunar cycle. Therefore, the arbitrary decision problem you are instigating has no merit.
?The only derivative from "R-M-Dh" in the great reading is the word "ramadhan", which occurs only once. Hence, there is no way to compare directly the meaning with how it is used in other verses.?
A righteous person would have stop right here. However, a deviated person would go witch hunting for information that does not exist.
?According to Classical Arabic dictionaries, the Arabs used to call the moon "shahr". But what phase of the moon does the word "shahr" imply??
Classical Arabic dictionaries = Hadith (hearsay). Is dictionary your idol?
Are you saying that Prophet Muhammad use to do what you are advocating or Prophet did it wrong? If Prophet Muhammad did it your way then where is your evidence of deviation (when did people start to deviate).