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The quraan & the amazing bukhari

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    sarah2505
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    so true
    seems strange to me that so few 'Muslims' see the truth about the real nature and lack of authenticity of the Bukhari Hadiths and other similar collections. When will they see that the true hadiths that we are meant to follow are collected in the Quran itself?
    (sigh) giveup

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      thegod
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      sarah_bd_gemini-seems strange to me that so few 'Muslims' see the truth about the real nature and lack of authenticity of the Bukhari Hadiths and other similar collections. When will they see that the true hadiths that we are meant to follow are collected in the Quran itself?
      (sigh)

      Well, I guess the amazing bukhari was no so amazing after all.

      Or else he never read/heard the quraan (in its entirety, at least); because then it would have been retained by his "inhuman" memory.

      Maybe the not-so-amazing bukhari never read the amazing quraan. sub'haana Allaah

      ma'a salaam.

      God bless all.

      al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen

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        Edip_Yuksel
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        So what?

        Bukhari collected hadith 230 years after the Prophet Muhammad. Let's assume (in other words, let's swallow the lies of his public relations managers) that he could memorize like my digital voice recorder. So what? As long as all those hearsay reporters before Bukhari were not digital voice recorders like Bukhari then all we can say about that "inhuman" digital voice recorder called Bukhari is the following He has memorized perfectly a great deal of hearsay, stupid stories and lies. Good for him!

        Peace,
        Edip

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          drfazl
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          Peace

          Bukhari's methodology of collecting hadiths is well-known. Allah denounces his suspicious tactics when he involved in spying and backbiting to collect the despised stories on muhammad. According to the following verse We say "Woe unto Bukhari! Curse be upon Bukhari, who was eating the flesh of his dead brothers most of his life.

          49 12
          O ye who believe! Shun much suspicion; for lo! some suspicion is a crime. And spy not, neither backbite one another. Would one of you love to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Ye abhor that! And keep your duty. Lo! Allah is Relenting, Merciful.

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            Bigmo
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            So what?

            Bukhari collected hadith 230 years after the Prophet Muhammad. Let's assume (in other words, let's swallow the lies of his public relations managers) that he could memorize like my digital voice recorder. So what? As long as all those hearsay reporters before Bukhari were not digital voice recorders like Bukhari then all we can say about that "inhuman" digital voice recorder called Bukhari is the following He has memorized perfectly a great deal of hearsay, stupid stories and lies. Good for him!

            Peace,
            Edip

            Exactly!, and if you count how many minutes Bukhari could have spent over the so called 600,000 isnads he studied it would not be 10 minutes each. Do the math. See how many minutes or hours it would have taken him to look over 600,000 isnads or hadiths if he was studying 10 hours a day for 15 years.

            So lets assume he studied 600,000 isnads in 15 years. Every year he would have looked at in average 600,000/15=40,000 hadiths or isnads.
            So every month he would have looked and studied
            40,000/12=3,333.333 hadiths or isnads
            Every day he would have studied
            3,333.33/30=111.111 hadiths or isnads
            That means every hour in a 10 hour study time he would have studied
            111.11/10=11.11 hadiths or isnads
            Each hadith or isnad would have taken him
            60/11.11=5.4 minutes !!!

            Anotherwords Bukhari would have had to have spent an hour studying over 10 hadiths or isnads meaning each would have taken him less than 7 minutes!!!!! Thats without any vacation or travel time knowing people on those days used to spent sometimes months travelling.

            Its totally unrealistic. In fact I should start a thread on this since I am very bad in maths and my calculations, as the case with my experience in mathematics in general, is probably wrong.

            But even if the number is 300,000 thats still 12 minutes time per hadiths or isnad at the most. Its very hard to believe these stories.

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              Meteora
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              Some things about Bukhari

              Since the time I've realized the bs in Bukhari's books I've decided to address him as "Bukhara" because I think it suited him more, "khara" in Arabic is slang for excrement or the Arabic translation of shit.

              With further study I found out he came from a city called "Bukhara" (coincidence laugh?) and afterward found out he didn't know Arabic that well.

              To me this sounds somewhat like "Bull-khara"; if we take the first word as English and the second, the pronounciation of the Arabic translation of "shit" we then get what is abundant in his books, bullshit. Consider this a short overview of Bukhari.

              Exactly!, and if you count how many minutes Bukhari could have spent over the so called 600,000 isnads he studied it would not be 10 minutes each. Do the math. See how many minutes or hours it would have taken him to look over 600,000 isnads or hadiths if he was studying 10 hours a day for 15 years.

              So lets assume he studied 600,000 isnads in 15 years. Every year he would have looked at in average 600,000/15=40,000 hadiths or isnads.
              So every month he would have looked and studied
              40,000/12=3,333.333 hadiths or isnads
              Every day he would have studied
              3,333.33/30=111.111 hadiths or isnads
              That means every hour in a 10 hour study time he would have studied
              111.11/10=11.11 hadiths or isnads
              Each hadith or isnad would have taken him
              60/11.11=5.4 minutes !!!

              Anotherwords Bukhari would have had to have spent an hour studying over 10 hadiths or isnads meaning each would have taken him less than 7 minutes!!!!! Thats without any vacation or travel time knowing people on those days used to spent sometimes months travelling.

              Its totally unrealistic. In fact I should start a thread on this since I am very bad in maths and my calculations, as the case with my experience in mathematics in general, is probably wrong.

              But even if the number is 300,000 thats still 12 minutes time per hadiths or isnad at the most. Its very hard to believe these stories.

              Don't forget the fact he had to eat/sleep/as well as many other things that took at least 1/3 of his day. laugh

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                Bigmo
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                So what?

                Bukhari collected hadith 230 years after the Prophet Muhammad. Let's assume (in other words, let's swallow the lies of his public relations managers) that he could memorize like my digital voice recorder. So what? As long as all those hearsay reporters before Bukhari were not digital voice recorders like Bukhari then all we can say about that "inhuman" digital voice recorder called Bukhari is the following He has memorized perfectly a great deal of hearsay, stupid stories and lies. Good for him!

                Peace,
                Edip

                rotfl

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                  Meteora
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                  That is funny, and very true.

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                    MUNZIR_ALI
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                    rotfl

                    rotfl rotfl

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                      Ibrahim-Khalil
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                      Meteora, choose yo words man. There are a lot of good hadiths from Buhari collection. Simply, just respect other people beliefs.

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                        MUNZIR_ALI
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                        Meteora, choose yo words man. There are a lot of good hadiths from Buhari collection. Simply, just respect other people beliefs.

                        But we don't even have to read bukhari's good hadhises because the quran says it is complete!

                        peace

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                          Meteora
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                          I said it is abundant in his books. C'mon dude, if something is in Bukhari that is against the Quran it is what it is, bs. However I'll try not to make fun of him (or his books) anymore, if that'll make anyone feel better.

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                            Ibrahim-Khalil
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                            Munzir, i agree with u. Meteora, not EVERYTHING in hadithes is against Quran.

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                              Meteora
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                              Very true, but whatever that is attributed to God and his Messenger, if it isn't in accordance to the Quran must be rejected by me. jedi

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                                Alen
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                                So what?

                                Bukhari collected hadith 230 years after the Prophet Muhammad. Let's assume (in other words, let's swallow the lies of his public relations managers) that he could memorize like my digital voice recorder. So what? As long as all those hearsay reporters before Bukhari were not digital voice recorders like Bukhari then all we can say about that "inhuman" digital voice recorder called Bukhari is the following He has memorized perfectly a great deal of hearsay, stupid stories and lies. Good for him!

                                Peace,
                                Edip

                                Peace,
                                Respectfully.

                                I even heard that this Bukhary fella was a Jew because none of hadith talk about Christians ....

                                Strange ....

                                Peace.

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                                  Meteora
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                                  ^Heard that actually a few days ago.

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                                    No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                                    Peace,
                                    Respectfully.

                                    I even heard that this Bukhary fella was a Jew because none of hadith talk about Christians ....

                                    Strange ....

                                    Peace.

                                    I am pretty sure that he was Zoraoastrian - remember, he was a Parsi.

                                    I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                                      Meteora
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                                      Who thought "kouthar" was a river in Heaven. laugh

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                                        MUNZIR_ALI
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                                        Who thought "kouthar" was a river in Heaven. laugh

                                        I thought that, I mean the my islam teachers at school dictated that kouthar was a river in heaven in which God will give it to the prophet!

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                                          aynur
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                                          I am pretty sure that he was Zoraoastrian - remember, he was a Parsi.

                                          For some reason I thought he was Muslim?

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