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The quraan & the amazing bukhari

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    Meteora
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    Some things about Bukhari

    Since the time I've realized the bs in Bukhari's books I've decided to address him as "Bukhara" because I think it suited him more, "khara" in Arabic is slang for excrement or the Arabic translation of shit.

    With further study I found out he came from a city called "Bukhara" (coincidence laugh?) and afterward found out he didn't know Arabic that well.

    To me this sounds somewhat like "Bull-khara"; if we take the first word as English and the second, the pronounciation of the Arabic translation of "shit" we then get what is abundant in his books, bullshit. Consider this a short overview of Bukhari.

    Exactly!, and if you count how many minutes Bukhari could have spent over the so called 600,000 isnads he studied it would not be 10 minutes each. Do the math. See how many minutes or hours it would have taken him to look over 600,000 isnads or hadiths if he was studying 10 hours a day for 15 years.

    So lets assume he studied 600,000 isnads in 15 years. Every year he would have looked at in average 600,000/15=40,000 hadiths or isnads.
    So every month he would have looked and studied
    40,000/12=3,333.333 hadiths or isnads
    Every day he would have studied
    3,333.33/30=111.111 hadiths or isnads
    That means every hour in a 10 hour study time he would have studied
    111.11/10=11.11 hadiths or isnads
    Each hadith or isnad would have taken him
    60/11.11=5.4 minutes !!!

    Anotherwords Bukhari would have had to have spent an hour studying over 10 hadiths or isnads meaning each would have taken him less than 7 minutes!!!!! Thats without any vacation or travel time knowing people on those days used to spent sometimes months travelling.

    Its totally unrealistic. In fact I should start a thread on this since I am very bad in maths and my calculations, as the case with my experience in mathematics in general, is probably wrong.

    But even if the number is 300,000 thats still 12 minutes time per hadiths or isnad at the most. Its very hard to believe these stories.

    Don't forget the fact he had to eat/sleep/as well as many other things that took at least 1/3 of his day. laugh

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      Bigmo
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      So what?

      Bukhari collected hadith 230 years after the Prophet Muhammad. Let's assume (in other words, let's swallow the lies of his public relations managers) that he could memorize like my digital voice recorder. So what? As long as all those hearsay reporters before Bukhari were not digital voice recorders like Bukhari then all we can say about that "inhuman" digital voice recorder called Bukhari is the following He has memorized perfectly a great deal of hearsay, stupid stories and lies. Good for him!

      Peace,
      Edip

      rotfl

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        Meteora
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        That is funny, and very true.

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          MUNZIR_ALI
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          rotfl

          rotfl rotfl

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            Ibrahim-Khalil
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            Meteora, choose yo words man. There are a lot of good hadiths from Buhari collection. Simply, just respect other people beliefs.

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              MUNZIR_ALI
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              Meteora, choose yo words man. There are a lot of good hadiths from Buhari collection. Simply, just respect other people beliefs.

              But we don't even have to read bukhari's good hadhises because the quran says it is complete!

              peace

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                Meteora
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                I said it is abundant in his books. C'mon dude, if something is in Bukhari that is against the Quran it is what it is, bs. However I'll try not to make fun of him (or his books) anymore, if that'll make anyone feel better.

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                  Ibrahim-Khalil
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                  Munzir, i agree with u. Meteora, not EVERYTHING in hadithes is against Quran.

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                    Meteora
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                    Very true, but whatever that is attributed to God and his Messenger, if it isn't in accordance to the Quran must be rejected by me. jedi

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                      Alen
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                      So what?

                      Bukhari collected hadith 230 years after the Prophet Muhammad. Let's assume (in other words, let's swallow the lies of his public relations managers) that he could memorize like my digital voice recorder. So what? As long as all those hearsay reporters before Bukhari were not digital voice recorders like Bukhari then all we can say about that "inhuman" digital voice recorder called Bukhari is the following He has memorized perfectly a great deal of hearsay, stupid stories and lies. Good for him!

                      Peace,
                      Edip

                      Peace,
                      Respectfully.

                      I even heard that this Bukhary fella was a Jew because none of hadith talk about Christians ....

                      Strange ....

                      Peace.

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                        Meteora
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                        ^Heard that actually a few days ago.

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                          No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                          Peace,
                          Respectfully.

                          I even heard that this Bukhary fella was a Jew because none of hadith talk about Christians ....

                          Strange ....

                          Peace.

                          I am pretty sure that he was Zoraoastrian - remember, he was a Parsi.

                          I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                            Meteora
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                            Who thought "kouthar" was a river in Heaven. laugh

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                              MUNZIR_ALI
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                              Who thought "kouthar" was a river in Heaven. laugh

                              I thought that, I mean the my islam teachers at school dictated that kouthar was a river in heaven in which God will give it to the prophet!

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                                aynur
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                                I am pretty sure that he was Zoraoastrian - remember, he was a Parsi.

                                For some reason I thought he was Muslim?

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                                  Jafar
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                                  Peace,
                                  Respectfully.

                                  I even heard that this Bukhary fella was a Jew because none of hadith talk about Christians ....

                                  Strange ....

                                  Peace.

                                  FactBukhara wrotes a book called 'hadith'.
                                  FactThe book called 'hadith' talks a lot about the jews and doesn't talk about xtians.
                                  ConclusionBukhara must be a jew.

                                  Following the thought process as described above...

                                  FactMuhammad wrotes a book called "Quran" (regardless of where does Muhammad got his insipiration/source from)
                                  FactThe book called Quran talks a lot about the jews, infact nearly 60% of the content talks about the jews (Moshe, Iashua, Solomon, David etc..)
                                  Conclusion Muhammad must be a jew.
                                  Conclusion Muhammad's 'source'; the one that gives the inspiration to him on the Quran's content, must also be a Jew.

                                  Salam / Peace

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                                    Alen
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                                    FactBukhara wrotes a book called 'hadith'.
                                    FactThe book called 'hadith' talks a lot about the jews and doesn't talk about xtians.
                                    ConclusionBukhara must be a jew.

                                    Following the thought process as described above...

                                    FactMuhammad wrotes a book called "Quran" (regardless of where does Muhammad got his insipiration/source from)
                                    FactThe book called Quran talks a lot about the jews, infact nearly 60% of the content talks about the jews (Moshe, Iashua, Solomon, David etc..)
                                    Conclusion Muhammad must be a jew.
                                    Conclusion Muhammad's 'source'; the one that gives the inspiration to him on the Quran's content, must also be a Jew.

                                    Salam / Peace

                                    Peace,
                                    Respectfully.

                                    But prophet Muhammad never said he is the author of The Quran.
                                    In fact, ....

                                    6940 This is the utterance of an honorable messenger.
                                    6941 It is not the utterance of a poet; rarely do you believe.
                                    6942 Nor the utterance of a soothsayer; rarely do you take heed.
                                    6943 A revelation from the Lord of the worlds.
                                    6944 And had he attributed anything falsely to Us.b]
                                    6945 We would have seized him by the right.
                                    6946 Then, We would have severed his life-line.
                                    6947 None of you would be able to prevent it.

                                    Peace.

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                                      No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                                      Meteora, choose yo words man. There are a lot of good hadiths from Buhari collection. Simply, just respect other people beliefs.

                                      From Rashad Khalifa's appendix "Hadith & Sunna - Satanic Innovations"

                                      Some Muslims compromise "If a Hadith agrees with the Quran we will accept it, and if it contradicts the Quran, we will reject it!" Such premise proves that these people do not believe God's assertions that the Quran is"complete, perfect and fully detailed." The moment they seek guidance from anything besides the Quran, no matter how "right" it seems, they fall into Satan's trap (see 631). For they have rejected God's word and set up another god besides God (1857).

                                      I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                                        Jafar
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                                        Peace,
                                        Respectfully.

                                        But prophet Muhammad never said he is the author of The Quran.

                                        And Bukhara never said he is the author of the hadith..
                                        He said Muhammad 'authored' them...

                                        And following the thought process described above,
                                        Then the "honorable messenger" and "lord of the worlds" must be a jew..

                                        Summary the described thought process is a fallacy.. it doesn't prove Bukhara is actually a jew... it doesn't even indicate that bukhara is a jew.

                                        Salam / Peace

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                                          afridi220
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                                          And Bukhara never said he is the author of the hadith..
                                          He said Muhammad 'authored' them...

                                          And following the thought process described above,
                                          Then the "honorable messenger" and "lord of the worlds" must be a jew..

                                          Summary the described thought process is a fallacy.. it doesn't prove Bukhara is actually a jew... it doesn't even indicate that bukhara is a jew.

                                          Salam / Peace

                                          My dear brother his name was Bukhari not Bukhara Bukhara is Province of Uzbekistan

                                          His full name was Muhammad ibn Ismail al-Bukhari OR Muhammad Ibn Ismail Ibn Ibrahim Ibn al-Mughirah Ibn Bardizbah al-Bukhari
                                          Regards
                                          Afridi

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