Isa ibn Maryam
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...If the acts were so miraculous, then people would speak upon them for generations, telling their children and their children's children; in other words, the stories wouldn't be easily forgotten. This is one of the main reasons why the oral Torah (i.e. the Mischna) was preserved for so long, even before it was written down in the second century. Those stories, including the ones that are NOT mentioned anywhere in the Hebrew Bible, were preserved for thousands of years, word for word, being exact among hundreds of thousands of people DOWN TO THE LETTER. This is not coincidental, it's because these events actually happened, and the stories were passed down WORD FOR WORD through the generations of Jews and Hebrews...
Hinduism is older than Judaism with lots of myths preserved too.
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Where does it say so--thousands?
I just said "thousands" to be simplistic and to give the general point of the argument. Actually, according to the Hebrew records, there were many more people than this...
Exodus 1237 mentions 600,000 walking men, besides children. In the census taken about a year after the exodus, recorded at Numbers 12, 3, 45, 46, there were 603,550 males (20 years old and older) plus 22,000 male Levites over one month old (Numbers 232, 33; 339). Keep in mind that these are only referring to the males, not the females. If you consider, hypothetically, that all the adult men, numbered at 600,000, had one wife, that would estimate to 1,200,000 total adults who were witnesses to this incident. And that's not even including the sons and daughters of these Jews, who were also witnesses to the event... To say "thousands" is a simple generalization, but it wouldn't be farfetched at all for me to say this population numbered into the "millions"...
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Rami,
what really can bake a person's noodle is when you tell them that the majority of myths from Sumer (creator God, savior figure, flood.. dying/rising God) are there.
Copied by the Jews later? makes one ponder lol. One needs not even go into the fact that pre-Yahwistic Jews had a Goddess and she was axed out when the patriarchy rose to power and the rabbinical reforms. ( Gotta love history which tells the whole truth that most religions would rather forget. )
I might say, no disrespect intended, that a later holy book is just the earlier one with a new spin to it.
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Rami,
what really can bake a person's noodle is when you tell them that the majority of myths from Sumer (creator God, savior figure, flood.. dying/rising God) are there.
Copied by the Jews later? makes one ponder lol. One needs not even go into the fact that pre-Yahwistic Jews had a Goddess and she was axed out when the patriarchy rose to power and the rabbinical reforms. ( Gotta love history which tells the whole truth that most religions would rather forget. )
I might say, no disrespect intended, that a later holy book is just the earlier one with a new spin to it.
And it's apparently a very smart spin indeed. Just note the obvious differences in eschatology.
And you are right, history and archaeology tells what religion will never tell.
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The promises in the Torah was apparently not coming true, people who followed the Law didn't live a long life and some dies without having children so the idea of reward after death was raised in Jewish thought to compensate which slipped into the Quran.
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnaPxPPvvP0
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The promises in the Torah was apparently not coming true, people who followed the Law didn't live a long life and some dies without having children so the idea of reward after death was raised in Jewish thought to compensate which slipped into the Quran.
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnaPxPPvvP0
So, you believe the Qur'aan is a fabrication, modeled after the Torah as a way to spread Muhammad's personal beliefs?
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So, you believe the Qur'aan is a fabrication, modeled after the Torah as a way to spread Muhammad's personal beliefs?
His beliefs are a mystery...
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His beliefs are a mystery...
rotfl Owwww! Are you afraid?
Me without the Quran is like a fish without water.
I am just stating the apparent. Looks may be deceiving as they say.
But heck Islam is still a Jewish Messianic apocalyptic sect for the destruction of the Roman influence over Jerusalem. Zoroastrian eschatology was the necessary mobilizer and motivator for this crusade. Sorry. I can't help it. yay
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Me without the Quran is like a fish without water.
Fish without water yay
http//www.totalhealthbreakthroughs.com/newsletter/images/issue17/recipes.jpg
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But heck Islam is still a Jewish Messianic apocalyptic sect for the destruction of the Roman influence over Jerusalem. Zoroastrian eschatology was the necessary mobilizer and motivator for this crusade.
Yeah, okay... )
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