Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Peace,
You are forgetting that there was no month Rajab and no month called Ramadhan, etc. and no present order of the months prior to Umar or whoever made up the calendar. All these were invented sometime after the death of the prophet (who we don't know when he died). So everything that you are saying is just conjecture based on more conjecture.
Ayman, this is the infinite time I am telling you that your logic is faulty, faulty, faulty,???? and flawed, flawed, flawed,????????
You are forgetting that the oldest Quran we have dates back to year 651. This is an incomplete Quran because it is missing many chapters. Now, if we apply your faulty logic to this situation, the result is no Quran prior to year 651. Therefore, the Quran did not exist prior to year 651 and that the Quran we have today was fabricated by Uthman and other people whom you label as disbelievers. Thus, according to Ayman?s logic, Quran is just conjecture based on more conjecture.
Ayman, do you see how disgraceful your logic is? You should cover up you face completely when you go on the street.
Please stop your nonsense.
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Peace,
... the Quran we have today was fabricated by Uthman and other people whom you label as disbelievers. ...
Uthman would have saved us a lot of angst if he left a trail (proof of concept) as to how he put the Quran together. I for one believe that the Quran was already put together by the Prophet in a finalised book form after the final revelation and well enough before his death.
Uthman might have gotten involved in binding that copy, or helping in the proof reading and checking for nasty additions, with reliable scribes, so as to make it checked and double checked by readers and finally fully approved as authentic.
But this does not explain the two versions Warsh and Hafs by the way...I do not wish to comment about the other bit you accuse Ayman of, as for me, Uthman was indeed a companion of the Prophet as were Abu Bakr, Umar, Ali, Hamza and Zayd, as to where they come from, I believe from north western arabic peninsula (i.e close to Jerusalem, or even Petra), and for the timeline, it is all messed up, thanks to Mr Imam Shafie fitna, tempting people to produce hadith factories and links to the Prophet ...
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Peace Belal,
Ayman, are you fooling us or yourself...Where did I assume that prior to 638 AD the Prophet used the Lunar Calender? In order to be fair when evaluating your hypotheses, I ignored this fact, which I believe is true.
You assumed it but you are too much of a fool to understand your own silent assumptions. Again, the Umar calendar is made up and the months' names are meaningless and their order is arbitrary. So he or whoever could have called the period where "ramadhan" occured, Rajab, Safar, Dhu-Al-BelH ) or whatever. It doesn't matter they are just meaningless labels that have nothing to do with reality. Also, we don't know when the calendar was established 638CE, 640CE, 630CE, etc. All we know is that it certainly wasn't there in pre-Islamic times and when the messenger was there and the great reading was being revealed. Thus the great reading is completely oblivious to the so-called Islamic calendar.
Again, your argument violates the ultimate truth of 95. And as I said before, the wars that were ordered by God are not aggressions but to help other societies whom lived under oppression.
No you are just making baseless conjecture. How do you know how many months or YEARS passed between 95 and 981? You DON'T. You are just making up baseless conjectures as you go.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace,
All we know is that it certainly wasn't there in pre-Islamic times and when the messenger was there and the great reading was being revealed.
With this statement ?certainly wasn't there?, Ayman is raising himself to the status of God. Only the God is in a position to say such thing since He is all knowing. Ayman, you didn?t even witness the event, how can you be certain about it. You want to be God, right. That?s why you are trying to give us new Ramadan. Your attempt is futile.
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Peace Guest,
With this statement ?certainly wasn't there?, Ayman is raising himself to the status of God. Only the God is in a position to say such thing since He is all knowing. Ayman, you didn?t even witness the event, how can you be certain about it. You want to be God, right. That?s why you are trying to give us new Ramadan. Your attempt is futile.
It is a certainty unless you can quote passages that say the following things, which your false manmade timing is based on
- O believers, take the date of the Hijra to start the calendar.
- O believers, sorry but forget about point #1 above and don't take the actual supposed date of the Hijra to start the calendar but instead start the calendar from 3 months prior to the Hijra.
- O believers, the order of the months is Muharram, Safar, Rabi' al-awwal, Rabi' al-thani, Jumada al-awwal, Jumada al-thani, Rajab, Sha'aban, Ramadan, Shawwal, Dhu al-Qi'dah, Dhu al-Hijjah.
- O believers ignore 95 because the restricted "months" are not consecutive but are the arbitrary Dhu al-Qi'dah, Dhu al-Hijjah, Muharram, and Rajab.
- O believers ignore 2189 and perform your Hajj from the 8th to the 13th of Dhu Al-Hijjah.
- O believers ignore 1712 and don?t use day and night to determine the number of years and instead use the moon alone, which is not mentioned at all in 1712.
- O believers ignore the meaning of the word ?ramadhan? and take it as meaningless nonsense.
- O believers ignore 936 and instead count ?months? forever and don?t stop at 12, thereby making every month in your calendar dependent on when month 1 started. However, trick people into thinking that you are counting 12 by recycling the anyway meaningless names of the months every 12 names.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Guest,
It is a certainty unless you can quote passages that say the following things, which your false manmade timing is based on
- O believers, take the date of the Hijra to start the calendar.
- O believers, sorry but forget about point #1 above and don't take the actual supposed date of the Hijra to start the calendar but instead start the calendar from 3 months prior to the Hijra.
- O believers, the order of the months is Muharram, Safar, Rabi' al-awwal, Rabi' al-thani, Jumada al-awwal, Jumada al-thani, Rajab, Sha'aban, Ramadan, Shawwal, Dhu al-Qi'dah, Dhu al-Hijjah.
- O believers ignore 95 because the restricted "months" are not consecutive but are the arbitrary Dhu al-Qi'dah, Dhu al-Hijjah, Muharram, and Rajab.
- O believers ignore 2189 and perform your Hajj from the 8th to the 13th of Dhu Al-Hijjah.
- O believers ignore 1712 and don?t use day and night to determine the number of years and instead use the moon alone, which is not mentioned at all in 1712.
- O believers ignore the meaning of the word ?ramadhan? and take it as meaningless nonsense.
- O believers ignore 936 and instead count ?months? forever and don?t stop at 12, thereby making every month in your calendar dependent on when month 1 started. However, trick people into thinking that you are counting 12 by recycling the anyway meaningless names of the months every 12 names.
Peace,
Ayman
You forgot chapter number.
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Peace all,
That is what My Lord have created for the believers as a Month Clock...If this is not good enough for you, ask Ayman if his created Clock is better than this.
http//theabysmal.fenris.ca/theAbyss/Revolute/Lunar/Lunation.png
Ask yourself, what is God's Wisdom behind the above Cycle, is for you to ignore or to accurately calculate His Twelve Months.
I will be back soon.
Peace
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Peace Belal,
That is what My Lord have created for the believers as a Month Clock...If this is not good enough for you, ask Ayman if his created Clock is better than this.
Take a good look at the image. It only has ONE shape that is the most obvious and only occurs ONCE during the cycle and on which there was NEVER any dispute on when it occurs. It is called the "shahr"/full-moon. It is also the ONLY shape that one can count 12 of in a solstice-to-solstice verse 1712 solar year. Stop idolizing me by claiming that I created the full-moon. )
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Belal,
Take a good look at the image. It only has ONE shape that is the most obvious and only occurs ONCE during the cycle and on which there was NEVER any dispute on when it occurs. It is called the "shahr"/full-moon. It is also the ONLY shape that one can count 12 of in a solstice-to-solstice verse 1712 solar year. Stop idolizing me by claiming that I created the full-moon.
Peace,
Ayman
Peace all,
The is a sample of Ayman Calender System yuck
http//www.fertilitymoon.com/images/lunar-moon-phase-calender-may-2008.gif
You can read more about here
http//images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http//content.esotericteaching.org/jyotish/images/lunar_cycles.jpg&imgrefurl=http//www.esotericteaching.org/jyotish/the-vedic-calendar&usg=__DUR6GDrnn2E6sSJDfWc0iwa5r7Y=&h=612&w=792&sz=94&hl=en&start=27&tbnid=Yvrxa6Nlz8D-NM&tbnh=111&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlunar-solar%2Bcalender%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D18
Is this how we should treat our prefect Month Clock by ignoring its precise Cycle, and instead, we pick one image--full moon, and ignore the rest?
Her is my advice to you LOOK at the image below and do the following
Ponder over the creation of the heavens and the earth and say Our Lord you have not created this in vain, glory to You, spare us the retribution of the Fire
http//theabysmal.fenris.ca/theAbyss/Revolute/Lunar/Lunation.png
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Peace All,
WHO IS THE BIGGEST LOOSER.
Is he the one who steals ideas of others and then promoting it as his?
Ayman instead of promoting your proposed Calender as it is your idea, instead please call it THE VEDIC CALENDER...do not steal others ideas
At least, we did not do that, rather, we are fighting and promoting a 1400 years old calender that has not been changed since, and above all, does not violate the Quran.
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Stop idolizing me by claiming that I created the full-moon. )
I had to laugh at this statement... rotfl
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Peace
Dude learn to speak English.
I am tired of this...
loser not LOOSER (and stop shouting btw)...
we are fighting and promoting a 1400 years old calender < --- how can you fight and promote something at the same time?Get a grip, you might get a heart attack... rotfl
Peace All,
WHO IS THE BIGGEST LOOSER.
Is he the one who steals ideas of others and then promoting it as his?
Ayman instead of promoting your proposed Calender as it is your idea, instead please call it THE VEDIC CALENDER...do not steal others ideas
At least, we did not do that, rather, we are fighting and promoting a 1400 years old calender that has not been changed since, and above all, does not violate the Quran.
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Peace
Dude learn to speak English.
I am tired of this...
loser not LOOSER (and stop shouting btw)...
we are fighting and promoting a 1400 years old calender < --- how can you fight and promote something at the same time?Get a grip, you might get a heart attack... rotfl
Peace
As far as Quran is concerned ,english does not matter but Classical Arabic does matter which neither you nor Ayman knows it.
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Peace
As far as Quran is concerned ,english does not matter but Classical Arabic does matter which neither you nor Ayman knows it.
RegardsI guess Classical Arabic is to Ayman and theNabster as English is to you. laugh
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Peace Q_S
oki but how can i understand you if you do not express yourself properly, and you annoy me shouting using caps letters?
???
do you think shouting and putting on massive pretty gifs, some from idolatry websites (fertility moon for crying out loud!),
are going to convince me?!
until now, none of what your "group" put forward convinced me...
you are very rude and obnoxious, spoilt, and whoever disagrees with you in this thread you call an Ayman follower who is Satanic
and a Kafir...
you are not acting as muslims, believers, let alone dai's... so please go away... -
Peace progressive
my arabic is ok, i just have not practiced it for donkey's years, but i can understand and read almost everything thrown at me, as I was fluent in my teens, and I am one of the rare ones who had the luck of learning sahraoui arabic in my formative years which is the closest you can get to the arabic written in the Quran... -
Peace theNabster,
Peace progressive
my arabic is ok, i just have not practiced it for donkey's years, but i can understand and read almost everything thrown at me, as I was fluent in my teens, and I am one of the rare ones who had the luck of learning sahraoui arabic in my formative years which is the closest you can get to the arabic written in the Quran...I just made a point based on QS' statement. I didnt really mean to say anything about your Arabic or Ayman's directly (since I didnt even know if what he said was true); rather, I wanted to make a point about QS' English.
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peace progressive,
i was getting a little bit cranky...
apologies if i offended you...
salam
NoblePeace theNabster,
I just made a point based on QS' statement. I didnt really mean to say anything about your Arabic or Ayman's directly (since I didnt even know if what he said was true); rather, I wanted to make a point about QS' English.
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peace progressive,
i was getting a little bit cranky...
apologies if i offended you...
salam
NobleNo offense taken. I only clarified what I meant before in my last post. peace