Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Peace,
All we know is that it certainly wasn't there in pre-Islamic times and when the messenger was there and the great reading was being revealed.
With this statement ?certainly wasn't there?, Ayman is raising himself to the status of God. Only the God is in a position to say such thing since He is all knowing. Ayman, you didn?t even witness the event, how can you be certain about it. You want to be God, right. That?s why you are trying to give us new Ramadan. Your attempt is futile.
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Peace Guest,
With this statement ?certainly wasn't there?, Ayman is raising himself to the status of God. Only the God is in a position to say such thing since He is all knowing. Ayman, you didn?t even witness the event, how can you be certain about it. You want to be God, right. That?s why you are trying to give us new Ramadan. Your attempt is futile.
It is a certainty unless you can quote passages that say the following things, which your false manmade timing is based on
- O believers, take the date of the Hijra to start the calendar.
- O believers, sorry but forget about point #1 above and don't take the actual supposed date of the Hijra to start the calendar but instead start the calendar from 3 months prior to the Hijra.
- O believers, the order of the months is Muharram, Safar, Rabi' al-awwal, Rabi' al-thani, Jumada al-awwal, Jumada al-thani, Rajab, Sha'aban, Ramadan, Shawwal, Dhu al-Qi'dah, Dhu al-Hijjah.
- O believers ignore 95 because the restricted "months" are not consecutive but are the arbitrary Dhu al-Qi'dah, Dhu al-Hijjah, Muharram, and Rajab.
- O believers ignore 2189 and perform your Hajj from the 8th to the 13th of Dhu Al-Hijjah.
- O believers ignore 1712 and don?t use day and night to determine the number of years and instead use the moon alone, which is not mentioned at all in 1712.
- O believers ignore the meaning of the word ?ramadhan? and take it as meaningless nonsense.
- O believers ignore 936 and instead count ?months? forever and don?t stop at 12, thereby making every month in your calendar dependent on when month 1 started. However, trick people into thinking that you are counting 12 by recycling the anyway meaningless names of the months every 12 names.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Guest,
It is a certainty unless you can quote passages that say the following things, which your false manmade timing is based on
- O believers, take the date of the Hijra to start the calendar.
- O believers, sorry but forget about point #1 above and don't take the actual supposed date of the Hijra to start the calendar but instead start the calendar from 3 months prior to the Hijra.
- O believers, the order of the months is Muharram, Safar, Rabi' al-awwal, Rabi' al-thani, Jumada al-awwal, Jumada al-thani, Rajab, Sha'aban, Ramadan, Shawwal, Dhu al-Qi'dah, Dhu al-Hijjah.
- O believers ignore 95 because the restricted "months" are not consecutive but are the arbitrary Dhu al-Qi'dah, Dhu al-Hijjah, Muharram, and Rajab.
- O believers ignore 2189 and perform your Hajj from the 8th to the 13th of Dhu Al-Hijjah.
- O believers ignore 1712 and don?t use day and night to determine the number of years and instead use the moon alone, which is not mentioned at all in 1712.
- O believers ignore the meaning of the word ?ramadhan? and take it as meaningless nonsense.
- O believers ignore 936 and instead count ?months? forever and don?t stop at 12, thereby making every month in your calendar dependent on when month 1 started. However, trick people into thinking that you are counting 12 by recycling the anyway meaningless names of the months every 12 names.
Peace,
Ayman
You forgot chapter number.
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Peace all,
That is what My Lord have created for the believers as a Month Clock...If this is not good enough for you, ask Ayman if his created Clock is better than this.
http//theabysmal.fenris.ca/theAbyss/Revolute/Lunar/Lunation.png
Ask yourself, what is God's Wisdom behind the above Cycle, is for you to ignore or to accurately calculate His Twelve Months.
I will be back soon.
Peace
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Peace Belal,
That is what My Lord have created for the believers as a Month Clock...If this is not good enough for you, ask Ayman if his created Clock is better than this.
Take a good look at the image. It only has ONE shape that is the most obvious and only occurs ONCE during the cycle and on which there was NEVER any dispute on when it occurs. It is called the "shahr"/full-moon. It is also the ONLY shape that one can count 12 of in a solstice-to-solstice verse 1712 solar year. Stop idolizing me by claiming that I created the full-moon. )
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Belal,
Take a good look at the image. It only has ONE shape that is the most obvious and only occurs ONCE during the cycle and on which there was NEVER any dispute on when it occurs. It is called the "shahr"/full-moon. It is also the ONLY shape that one can count 12 of in a solstice-to-solstice verse 1712 solar year. Stop idolizing me by claiming that I created the full-moon.
Peace,
Ayman
Peace all,
The is a sample of Ayman Calender System yuck
http//www.fertilitymoon.com/images/lunar-moon-phase-calender-may-2008.gif
You can read more about here
http//images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http//content.esotericteaching.org/jyotish/images/lunar_cycles.jpg&imgrefurl=http//www.esotericteaching.org/jyotish/the-vedic-calendar&usg=__DUR6GDrnn2E6sSJDfWc0iwa5r7Y=&h=612&w=792&sz=94&hl=en&start=27&tbnid=Yvrxa6Nlz8D-NM&tbnh=111&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlunar-solar%2Bcalender%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D18
Is this how we should treat our prefect Month Clock by ignoring its precise Cycle, and instead, we pick one image--full moon, and ignore the rest?
Her is my advice to you LOOK at the image below and do the following
Ponder over the creation of the heavens and the earth and say Our Lord you have not created this in vain, glory to You, spare us the retribution of the Fire
http//theabysmal.fenris.ca/theAbyss/Revolute/Lunar/Lunation.png
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Peace All,
WHO IS THE BIGGEST LOOSER.
Is he the one who steals ideas of others and then promoting it as his?
Ayman instead of promoting your proposed Calender as it is your idea, instead please call it THE VEDIC CALENDER...do not steal others ideas
At least, we did not do that, rather, we are fighting and promoting a 1400 years old calender that has not been changed since, and above all, does not violate the Quran.
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Stop idolizing me by claiming that I created the full-moon. )
I had to laugh at this statement... rotfl
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Peace
Dude learn to speak English.
I am tired of this...
loser not LOOSER (and stop shouting btw)...
we are fighting and promoting a 1400 years old calender < --- how can you fight and promote something at the same time?Get a grip, you might get a heart attack... rotfl
Peace All,
WHO IS THE BIGGEST LOOSER.
Is he the one who steals ideas of others and then promoting it as his?
Ayman instead of promoting your proposed Calender as it is your idea, instead please call it THE VEDIC CALENDER...do not steal others ideas
At least, we did not do that, rather, we are fighting and promoting a 1400 years old calender that has not been changed since, and above all, does not violate the Quran.
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Peace
Dude learn to speak English.
I am tired of this...
loser not LOOSER (and stop shouting btw)...
we are fighting and promoting a 1400 years old calender < --- how can you fight and promote something at the same time?Get a grip, you might get a heart attack... rotfl
Peace
As far as Quran is concerned ,english does not matter but Classical Arabic does matter which neither you nor Ayman knows it.
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Peace
As far as Quran is concerned ,english does not matter but Classical Arabic does matter which neither you nor Ayman knows it.
RegardsI guess Classical Arabic is to Ayman and theNabster as English is to you. laugh
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Peace Q_S
oki but how can i understand you if you do not express yourself properly, and you annoy me shouting using caps letters?
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do you think shouting and putting on massive pretty gifs, some from idolatry websites (fertility moon for crying out loud!),
are going to convince me?!
until now, none of what your "group" put forward convinced me...
you are very rude and obnoxious, spoilt, and whoever disagrees with you in this thread you call an Ayman follower who is Satanic
and a Kafir...
you are not acting as muslims, believers, let alone dai's... so please go away... -
Peace progressive
my arabic is ok, i just have not practiced it for donkey's years, but i can understand and read almost everything thrown at me, as I was fluent in my teens, and I am one of the rare ones who had the luck of learning sahraoui arabic in my formative years which is the closest you can get to the arabic written in the Quran... -
Peace theNabster,
Peace progressive
my arabic is ok, i just have not practiced it for donkey's years, but i can understand and read almost everything thrown at me, as I was fluent in my teens, and I am one of the rare ones who had the luck of learning sahraoui arabic in my formative years which is the closest you can get to the arabic written in the Quran...I just made a point based on QS' statement. I didnt really mean to say anything about your Arabic or Ayman's directly (since I didnt even know if what he said was true); rather, I wanted to make a point about QS' English.
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peace progressive,
i was getting a little bit cranky...
apologies if i offended you...
salam
NoblePeace theNabster,
I just made a point based on QS' statement. I didnt really mean to say anything about your Arabic or Ayman's directly (since I didnt even know if what he said was true); rather, I wanted to make a point about QS' English.
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peace progressive,
i was getting a little bit cranky...
apologies if i offended you...
salam
NobleNo offense taken. I only clarified what I meant before in my last post. peace
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Peace progressive
my arabic is ok, i just have not practiced it for donkey's years, but i can understand and read almost everything thrown at me, as I was fluent in my teens, and I am one of the rare ones who had the luck of learning sahraoui arabic in my formative years which is the closest you can get to the arabic written in the Quran...Peace
Knowing spoken of today does not mean necessarily you know the Classical arabic also. It is the reason Ayman does not know who to extract roots of words ,does not know the difference between Definite and Proper nouns , does not know that the Proper nouns cannot be translated ,does not know what the diptote is and consequently he cannot Recognise them.Regards
Regards
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Peace
Found this site www.karaite-korner.org and in it, it mentions that the Jews believe through their text of the following
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The beginning of months in the Biblical calendar according to the visibility of the Crescent New Moon
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The beginning of years in the Biblical calendar according to the state of the barley crops (Abib) in the Land of Israel.
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Ps 81,3 Blow on a horn for the Hodesh (New Moon)
On the Keseh (Full Moon) for the Day of our Hag (Feast)."
I don't know if this has relevance to the topic, specially as it is quotes outside the Quran and also its a site belonging to Karaism sect of Judaism. So it is open to scrutiny. However, I could not pass it by when I saw the simularities to begginning of month as being the visibility of the crescent new moon and also the begining of the year being linked to a particular event which happens according to the seasons. What I don't know is the actual time of the season these barley crops reach a certain state to start the count or finish the count of a year. It also mentions on the site of using a 13th month in a leap. I don't know if this is helpful but I thought I post it.
Peace
Hope
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Peace
Rules of language come after language. There is no such a thing as classical arabic.
What you call classical is just a snapshot decided by academics in Al-Azhar or Al-Madinah.
The only thing i can tell you is if Allah promised that he will preserve the Quran, he will also
preserve the ability to understand it.
The arabic i learnt was from nomad tribe in the sahara which was pure arabic tongue, my grand parents and their
ancestors were arab tribes leaders.Peace
Knowing spoken of today does not mean necessarily you know the Classical arabic also. It is the reason Ayman does not know who to extract roots of words ,does not know the difference between Definite and Proper nouns , does not know that the Proper nouns cannot be translated ,does not know what the diptote is and consequently he cannot Recognise them.Regards
Regards