Hot/"ramadan" Answer

belH

Peace all,

That is what My Lord have created for the believers as a Month Clock...If this is not good enough for you, ask Ayman if his created Clock is better than this.

http//theabysmal.fenris.ca/theAbyss/Revolute/Lunar/Lunation.png

Ask yourself, what is God's Wisdom behind the above Cycle, is for you to ignore or to accurately calculate His Twelve Months.

I will be back soon.

Peace

ayman

Peace Belal,

That is what My Lord have created for the believers as a Month Clock...If this is not good enough for you, ask Ayman if his created Clock is better than this.

Take a good look at the image. It only has ONE shape that is the most obvious and only occurs ONCE during the cycle and on which there was NEVER any dispute on when it occurs. It is called the "shahr"/full-moon. It is also the ONLY shape that one can count 12 of in a solstice-to-solstice verse 1712 solar year. Stop idolizing me by claiming that I created the full-moon. )

Peace,

Ayman

belH

Peace Belal,

Take a good look at the image. It only has ONE shape that is the most obvious and only occurs ONCE during the cycle and on which there was NEVER any dispute on when it occurs. It is called the "shahr"/full-moon. It is also the ONLY shape that one can count 12 of in a solstice-to-solstice verse 1712 solar year. Stop idolizing me by claiming that I created the full-moon.

Peace,

Ayman

Peace all,

The is a sample of Ayman Calender System yuck

http//www.fertilitymoon.com/images/lunar-moon-phase-calender-may-2008.gif

You can read more about here

http//images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http//content.esotericteaching.org/jyotish/images/lunar_cycles.jpg&imgrefurl=http//www.esotericteaching.org/jyotish/the-vedic-calendar&usg=__DUR6GDrnn2E6sSJDfWc0iwa5r7Y=&h=612&w=792&sz=94&hl=en&start=27&tbnid=Yvrxa6Nlz8D-NM&tbnh=111&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlunar-solar%2Bcalender%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D18

Is this how we should treat our prefect Month Clock by ignoring its precise Cycle, and instead, we pick one image--full moon, and ignore the rest?

Her is my advice to you LOOK at the image below and do the following

Ponder over the creation of the heavens and the earth and say Our Lord you have not created this in vain, glory to You, spare us the retribution of the Fire

http//theabysmal.fenris.ca/theAbyss/Revolute/Lunar/Lunation.png

belH

Peace All,

WHO IS THE BIGGEST LOOSER.

Is he the one who steals ideas of others and then promoting it as his?

Ayman instead of promoting your proposed Calender as it is your idea, instead please call it THE VEDIC CALENDER...do not steal others ideas

At least, we did not do that, rather, we are fighting and promoting a 1400 years old calender that has not been changed since, and above all, does not violate the Quran.

belH

offtopic I'm sorry, I know this is off topic, but I cannot stop being amazed when I see these photos of the phases of the moon. So beautiful.

Then say

Our Lord, you have not created this in vain, glory to You, spare us the retribution of the Fire

Peace

Ahmad_Bilal

Stop idolizing me by claiming that I created the full-moon. )

I had to laugh at this statement... rotfl

noble

Peace

Dude learn to speak English.
I am tired of this...
loser not LOOSER (and stop shouting btw)...
we are fighting and promoting a 1400 years old calender < --- how can you fight and promote something at the same time?

Get a grip, you might get a heart attack... rotfl

Peace All,

WHO IS THE BIGGEST LOOSER.

Is he the one who steals ideas of others and then promoting it as his?

Ayman instead of promoting your proposed Calender as it is your idea, instead please call it THE VEDIC CALENDER...do not steal others ideas

At least, we did not do that, rather, we are fighting and promoting a 1400 years old calender that has not been changed since, and above all, does not violate the Quran.

Q_student

Peace

Dude learn to speak English.
I am tired of this...
loser not LOOSER (and stop shouting btw)...
we are fighting and promoting a 1400 years old calender < --- how can you fight and promote something at the same time?

Get a grip, you might get a heart attack... rotfl

Peace
As far as Quran is concerned ,english does not matter but Classical Arabic does matter which neither you nor Ayman knows it.
Regards

No longer a Sunna-rejecter

Peace
As far as Quran is concerned ,english does not matter but Classical Arabic does matter which neither you nor Ayman knows it.
Regards

I guess Classical Arabic is to Ayman and theNabster as English is to you. laugh

noble

Peace Q_S
oki but how can i understand you if you do not express yourself properly, and you annoy me shouting using caps letters?
???
do you think shouting and putting on massive pretty gifs, some from idolatry websites (fertility moon for crying out loud!),
are going to convince me?!
until now, none of what your "group" put forward convinced me...
you are very rude and obnoxious, spoilt, and whoever disagrees with you in this thread you call an Ayman follower who is Satanic
and a Kafir...
you are not acting as muslims, believers, let alone dai's... so please go away...

noble

Peace progressive
my arabic is ok, i just have not practiced it for donkey's years, but i can understand and read almost everything thrown at me, as I was fluent in my teens, and I am one of the rare ones who had the luck of learning sahraoui arabic in my formative years which is the closest you can get to the arabic written in the Quran...

No longer a Sunna-rejecter

Peace theNabster,

Peace progressive
my arabic is ok, i just have not practiced it for donkey's years, but i can understand and read almost everything thrown at me, as I was fluent in my teens, and I am one of the rare ones who had the luck of learning sahraoui arabic in my formative years which is the closest you can get to the arabic written in the Quran...

I just made a point based on QS' statement. I didnt really mean to say anything about your Arabic or Ayman's directly (since I didnt even know if what he said was true); rather, I wanted to make a point about QS' English.

noble

peace progressive,
i was getting a little bit cranky...
apologies if i offended you...
salam
Noble

Peace theNabster,

I just made a point based on QS' statement. I didnt really mean to say anything about your Arabic or Ayman's directly (since I didnt even know if what he said was true); rather, I wanted to make a point about QS' English.

No longer a Sunna-rejecter

peace progressive,
i was getting a little bit cranky...
apologies if i offended you...
salam
Noble

No offense taken. I only clarified what I meant before in my last post. peace

Q_student

Peace progressive
my arabic is ok, i just have not practiced it for donkey's years, but i can understand and read almost everything thrown at me, as I was fluent in my teens, and I am one of the rare ones who had the luck of learning sahraoui arabic in my formative years which is the closest you can get to the arabic written in the Quran...

Peace
Knowing spoken of today does not mean necessarily you know the Classical arabic also. It is the reason Ayman does not know who to extract roots of words ,does not know the difference between Definite and Proper nouns , does not know that the Proper nouns cannot be translated ,does not know what the diptote is and consequently he cannot Recognise them.

Regards

hope4

Peace

Found this site www.karaite-korner.org and in it, it mentions that the Jews believe through their text of the following

The beginning of months in the Biblical calendar according to the visibility of the Crescent New Moon
The beginning of years in the Biblical calendar according to the state of the barley crops (Abib) in the Land of Israel.
Ps 81,3 Blow on a horn for the Hodesh (New Moon)
On the Keseh (Full Moon) for the Day of our Hag (Feast)."

I don't know if this has relevance to the topic, specially as it is quotes outside the Quran and also its a site belonging to Karaism sect of Judaism. So it is open to scrutiny. However, I could not pass it by when I saw the simularities to begginning of month as being the visibility of the crescent new moon and also the begining of the year being linked to a particular event which happens according to the seasons. What I don't know is the actual time of the season these barley crops reach a certain state to start the count or finish the count of a year. It also mentions on the site of using a 13th month in a leap. I don't know if this is helpful but I thought I post it.

Peace

Hope

noble

Peace
Rules of language come after language. There is no such a thing as classical arabic.
What you call classical is just a snapshot decided by academics in Al-Azhar or Al-Madinah.
The only thing i can tell you is if Allah promised that he will preserve the Quran, he will also
preserve the ability to understand it.
The arabic i learnt was from nomad tribe in the sahara which was pure arabic tongue, my grand parents and their
ancestors were arab tribes leaders.

Peace
Knowing spoken of today does not mean necessarily you know the Classical arabic also. It is the reason Ayman does not know who to extract roots of words ,does not know the difference between Definite and Proper nouns , does not know that the Proper nouns cannot be translated ,does not know what the diptote is and consequently he cannot Recognise them.

Regards

noble

Peace Hope

Thanks, this is very helpful.

Salam

Noble

Peace

Found this site www.karaite-korner.org and in it, it mentions that the Jews believe through their text of the following

The beginning of months in the Biblical calendar according to the visibility of the Crescent New Moon
The beginning of years in the Biblical calendar according to the state of the barley crops (Abib) in the Land of Israel.
Ps 81,3 Blow on a horn for the Hodesh (New Moon)
On the Keseh (Full Moon) for the Day of our Hag (Feast)."

I don't know if this has relevance to the topic, specially as it is quotes outside the Quran and also its a site belonging to Karaism sect of Judaism. So it is open to scrutiny. However, I could not pass it by when I saw the simularities to begginning of month as being the visibility of the crescent new moon and also the begining of the year being linked to a particular event which happens according to the seasons. What I don't know is the actual time of the season these barley crops reach a certain state to start the count or finish the count of a year. It also mentions on the site of using a 13th month in a leap. I don't know if this is helpful but I thought I post it.

Peace

Hope

Q_student

Peace
Rules of language come after language. There is no such a thing as classical arabic.
What you call classical is just a snapshot decided by academics in Al-Azhar or Al-Madinah.
The only thing i can tell you is if Allah promised that he will preserve the Quran, he will also
preserve the ability to understand it.
The arabic i learnt was from nomad tribe in the sahara which was pure arabic tongue, my grand parents and their
ancestors were arab tribes leaders.

Peace brother
Spoken language is always different from the literary language. Secondly language of one era is not exactly the same as that of another era. For example ,you will see a lot of difference between todays' english and the enlish of Shakspear's era.The same is true for MSA and Classical Arabic.

Regards

hope4

The only thing i can tell you is if Allah promised that he will preserve the Quran, he will also
preserve the ability to understand it.

Peace theNabster

I agree with your statement. I don't think and this is only my thoughts that God ment to preserve the Quranic language but the meaning. This is evident from the language changing over the years and writing styles.

Peace

Hope