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Common misconceptions about Islam - help needed

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    Ayisha
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    Wakas I would like to discuss about Music and singing, according to you they are not clearly forbidden in Islam

    This word casts some doubts. I my self love Music and singing (listening) but there are some verses that need clarification, and I hope you can clarify those for me and many others. I know most of the singing without poetry is impossible but we have following Ayats

    Shall I inform you upon whom the devils descend?They descend upon every lying, sinful one,They incline their ears, and most of them are liars.
    http//www.everyayah.com/data/images_png/26_224.png
    And the Poets,- It is those straying in Evil, who follow them

    Thanks!

    verse before that one

    26.223 They pass on what is heard and most of them are liars.

    bit like passing on hadith wouldnt you say?

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      Raaajah
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      Ayisha

      verse before that one
      26.223 They pass on what is heard and most of them are liars.
      bit like passing on hadith wouldnt you say?

      Ayisha
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      Raj, when did you answer for mazhar, there are plenty of unanswered questions of your own.
      I think Mazhar is more knowledgeable than me and does not need me to answer for him.
      Since, you kept on answering for many do whom i had conversation with.

      Ayisha

      I have not answered 'for' anyone else and I have managed to answer questions put to me.

      Ayisha

      ....and most of them are liars.

      The question was directed to WAKAS.

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        Ayisha
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        Ayisha

        AyishaAyisha

        The question was directed to WAKAS.

        I wasn't answering the question, I was contributing to the thread.

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          Wakas
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          Raaajah,
          Firstly it refers to those who follow them. Secondly, a "poet" in Classical Arabic and especially in The Quran's terminology/portrayal is not just a reference to a person who rhymes words or perhaps even sings. The Quran regards "poetry" of a different genre to itself, as The Quran is based on reality/truth/righteousness etc. Study all other occurrences of this term in The Quran, you will soon see The Quran differentiating itself. Or alternatively read the works of Toshihiko Izutsu or Neal Robinson in which these terms are reviewed and contrasted.

          If it was simply about rhyming words, or recitation of melodic sounds, then The Quran has this itself. Please re-read the misconception and reflect.

          All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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            Raaajah
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            Wakas

            Firstly it refers to those who follow them. Secondly, a "poet" in Classical Arabic and especially in The Quran's terminology/portrayal is not just a reference to a person who rhymes words or perhaps even sings.

            You are correct, Quran cannot ban something creative, but actually who are those Shura and Ishra that Quran distant itself from.

            Wakas

            The Quran regards "poetry" of a different genre to itself, as The Quran is based on reality/truth/righteousness etc. Study all other occurrences of this term in The Quran, you will soon see The Quran differentiating itself.

            http//www.everyayah.com/data/images_png/36_69.png

            here the word poetry,
            l-shi'ra is used here it says "And We did not give Prophet Muhammad, knowledge of poetry, nor is it befitting for him. It is not but a message and a clear Qur'an,"

            So I am actually looking for that Ishi ra that Quran says is not befitting for Muhammad Peace is upon him.

            Wakas

            If it was simply about rhyming words, or recitation of melodic sounds, then The Quran has this itself. Please re-read the misconception and reflect.

            Yes very right, Quran does have lots of these rhyming words, but Allah calls Quran different from poetry, this causes bit of confusion.

            There is Rawaaya quoted
            Aishah narrated that during the days of Mina, on the day of 'Eid al-Adha, two girls were with her, singing and playing on a hand drum. The Prophet peace is upon him was present, listening to them with his head under a shawl. Abu Bakr then entered and scolded the girls. The Prophet peace is upon him, uncovering his face, told him, "Let them be, Abu Bakr. These are the days of 'Eid." (Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim.)

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              Wakas
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              Yes very right, Quran does have lots of these rhyming words, but Allah calls Quran different from poetry, this causes bit of confusion.

              There should be less "confusion" once all occurrences are compared.

              All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                Nafi
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                Wakas tell us the most visted sections then?

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                  Raaajah
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                  Dear Wakas, I will be grateful if you provide some other links of your articles/study for a comprehensive study of the above in addition to the link you provided. The link you provided was useful but still one feels thirst.

                  like the ones for Toshihiko Izutsu or Neal Robinson .

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                    Wakas
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                    Any work would simply be a study of the Quran occurrences, thus one can simply study the occurrences themselves.
                    I dont know if he discusses the word here, or in his other book "God and man in the koran", but you can find it here
                    http//www.archive.org/details/Toshihiko.Izutsu_Ethico-Religious.Concepts.in.the.Quran

                    All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                      Wakas
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                      peace all,

                      The top 5 misconceptions are usually

                      /muhammad-married-young-girl.htm
                      /cut-off-hands-theft.htm
                      /death-for-apostasy.htm
                      /stoning-to-death-adultery.htm
                      /alcohol-is-forbidden.htm

                      The site gets about 9000 page views per month.

                      It could be a lot more if promoted. Click here to find out how.

                      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                        Roshan
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                        The site gets about 9000 page views per month.

                        Click here to find out how.

                        Peace

                        Perhaps this has had a role to play in increasing forum members. I myself have recommended this site many times in web debates etc. It is excellent.

                        Roshan

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                          justamuslim
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                          obama was asked about his religion and why he chose to be a christian.

                          jesus is about love, forgiving, understanding, being your brothers keeper, charity, giving. although very much commercialized, still christmas is about family and charity.

                          islam is about woman covering head to toe, praying 5 times a day, fasting,

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                            Nafi
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                            obama was asked about his religion and why he chose to be a christian.

                            jesus is about love, forgiving, understanding, being your brothers keeper, charity, giving. although very much commercialized, still christmas is about family and charity.

                            islam is about woman covering head to toe, praying 5 times a day, fasting,

                            eh? are you joking around.

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                              Wakas
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                              Last month broke all records with over 11000 page views. The site is now ranked number 1 by google for 'misconceptions about islam'.

                              But that's not enough!

                              Keep spreading the link people! In forums, blogs, email your contacts, facebook etc
                              http//misconceptions-about-islam.com

                              All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                Kukumber
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                                #128

                                Peace

                                Link posted on my facebook )

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                                  Wakas
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                                  peace all,

                                  Can you help with this?

                                  Calling all budding writers and graphics designers out there.

                                  The website Misconceptions-About-Islam.com is looking to add printable leaflets for each of its Misconceptions, so visitors can print them out and spread the word in their local communities if they wish to.

                                  They will simply be condensed versions of each Misconception text, with some nice/simple colours, borders, pics, etc. Likely A5 in size. You can design it how you want, and the best ones will be made available on the site.

                                  The site currently generates over 13 000 page views per month.

                                  All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                    mmkhan
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                                    Salaam brother Wakas,

                                    I humbly suggest you to add Arabic text to misconceptions-about-islam.com where ever the aayaats are quoted as it is really important as per my understanding.

                                    AlQuraan is sent in Arabic language, so when we are quoting it, the original text must be added with the translation.

                                    May Allah guide us all to His only path pr
                                    Mohammed M. Khan

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                                      Wakas
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                                      #131

                                      peace all,

                                      Can you help with this?

                                      Calling all budding writers and graphics designers out there.

                                      The website Misconceptions-About-Islam.com is looking to add printable leaflets for each of its Misconceptions, so visitors can print them out and spread the word in their local communities if they wish to.

                                      They will simply be condensed versions of each Misconception text, with some nice/simple colours, borders, pics, etc. Likely A5 in size. You can design it how you want, and the best ones will be made available on the site.

                                      The site currently generates over 13 000 page views per month.

                                      We are at over 18000 page views per month now.

                                      The above offer is still open if anyone has the time and skills.

                                      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                        Wakas
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                                        #132

                                        1st flyer added to homepage www.Misconceptions-About-Islam.com

                                        Feedback welcome.

                                        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                          Lena
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                                          #133

                                          1st flyer added to homepage www.Misconceptions-About-Islam.com

                                          Feedback welcome.

                                          bravo

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