Worship Allah and not the Quran
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Did the meaning of the word "atheist" change or something? It bluntly means the denial of any sort of higher being or force. You can't follow the Quran and also call yourself an atheist of any sort, can you?
People will always try to divide you up and confine you to sects no matter what you say, it means less work needed for them to actually look into what they're discussing (an attitude way too common in discussions regarding faith these days...admittedly I'm not completely guilt-free of doing this as well, though I try to avoid doing so) since they've put you in a category to focus on. I don't think that will ever change.
Salam,
The definition...
Muslim atheism
is a theological position
in which the belief in religion is rejected or absent
but the
teachings of the Qur'an are followedfacts comparison...
Ibrahim was not a Jew <- Ibrahim has no religion. So as Muhammad. Nonsectarian.
nor a Christian
but he was (an) upright (man) <- showing great concern for what is right, fair and truthful way
a Muslim <- defined by the above ayat - an upright man - obedience and justly balanced.
and he was not one of the polytheists <- Concern with religious matters - 3030-32
(367)Peace brother.
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I guess quranist atheism would be possible, though its a biased term and violates objectivity.
The qur'an, while limiting itself as the sole source of authority in religion, is a book which wasn't meant to limit humans development, it was meant to inspire people to research nature with the help of a sound spiritual guide.
Using the suffix -ist means you adhere to a theological doctrine, while although a doctrine is processed in the text, the qur'an is more than that.
As for atheism, this is biased too. The premise is that there can be no God, while this is unscientific. A 'correct' (unbiased) scientific philosophical stance is agnosticism; most scientists who are irreligious will define themselves as such. Even Richard Dawkins, who prefers to use the term atheist just to avoid this kind of semantic discussions, said in his book 'The God Delusion' and in many interviews that strictly speaking, he is 'an agnostic who tends very much to atheism'.
Be what you want, but be it yourself.
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Salaam,
The true interpretation of Sura al-Ikhlas reveals that Allah is not "God", this is acceptable. (read book).
Nor is there to Him any equivalent
(1124)Further, it is safe for us to say we don't know what is Allah and focus on our duty in the Qur'an. This is so since the Qur'an is a book about human beings and living creatures. It is a book about us and our duty.
Peace.
I meant God with capital G, not 'god'
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Like the concept of 'atheist Jew'. But a Jew is an ethnic term, not a religious one.
Quran is a religious book. U are walking on thin ice )
If you follow the teachings of the quran, then you will follow its most important one
God IS.
Salam
The Qur'an is not a religious book, and Islam is not a religion.
Peace
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Firstly i did not mention that Arabic was the language of Allah All-Mighty
So you agree that it is created. Talking about our school, the school of Ahlul Bayt, your sect did not exist at ALL throughout history.. rotfl
Unless you imply that you are mutazillite. The Mutazili scholars also relied on ahadith from the Sunni (ie we call 'amma) sources.
Next question, do you believe that our Master Mustafa (sawa) is infallible?
And on another note to give divinity to a created book is shirk and you worship the Quran
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QA is not a sect because unlike sects such as Sunni / Shi'a / Ahmadiyya / Ismaili etc, in this pure creed of Abraham, anyone who believes in one God and oneness of God, don't set up partners with God, believe in the Last Day etc have already been muslims, they don't have to pronounce the testimony of faith to become a Muslim.
Sorry i am itching to respond to you, cant help it. How about those who oppressed the Family of the Prophet (sawa) and supported them?
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Salaam,
The true interpretation of Sura al-Ikhlas reveals that Allah is not "God", this is acceptable. (read book).
Nor is there to Him any equivalent
(1124)Further, it is safe for us to say we don't know what is Allah and focus on our duty in the Qur'an. This is so since the Qur'an is a book about human beings and living creatures. It is a book about us and our duty.
Peace.
Dangerous grounds.
But the premise that the qur'an states that there is no God, is incorrect, it clearly states otherwise.
But..
It is correct that God can not be described, not even by the word God.
It is correct that any concept you may have about God, is deficient, and thus, wrong.
It is even correct that the non religious, even the atheist, is often nearer to God than many religious people, cause a non-religious person often has a 'clean slate' on this subject and is sceptic and critical, which are very big virtues most religious people dont possess, and even reject.
It is true the qur'an is a guide, but no book of law. You say the book is about us and your duty, no that is a simplification. Before everything, it is about introducing people to the existence of God.
Strictly spoken, we don't know anything, but what we can know, is that there is a God. The standpoint that there is no, is untenable.
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Firstly i did not mention that Arabic was the language of Allah All-Mighty
So you agree that it is created. Talking about our school, the school of Ahlul Bayt, your sect did not exist at ALL throughout history.. rotfl
Unless you imply that you are mutazillite. The Mutazili scholars also relied on ahadith from the Sunni (ie we call 'amma) sources.
Next question, do you believe that our Master Mustafa (sawa) is infallible?
Salam,
All things are created but it is ridiculous to assume that Muhammad can create "makhluq" through his speech (the Qur'an).
Further, why are you making personal assumptions on my behalf?
Is this how you make your point?
Peace
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Salam
The Qur'an is not a religious book, and Islam is not a religion.
Peace
Islam is a religion, therefore the book is a religious book.
Islam is a religion, cause its a proclamation of Gods existence.
The quran is a religious book, cause its islams scripture.
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Dangerous grounds.
But the premise that the qur'an states that there is no God, is incorrect, it clearly states otherwise.
But..
It is correct that God can not be described, not even by the word God.
It is correct that any concept you may have about God, is deficient, and thus, wrong.
It is even correct that the non religious, even the atheist, is often nearer to God than many religious people, cause a non-religious person often has a 'clean slate' on this subject and is sceptic and critical, which are very big virtues most religious people dont possess, and even reject.
It is true the qur'an is a guide, but no book of law. You say the book is about us and your duty, no that is a simplification. Before everything, it is about introducing people to the existence of God.
Strictly spoken, we don't know anything, but what we can know, is that there is a God. The standpoint that there is no, is untenable.
Salam
So it is wrong to believe that "Nor is there to Him any equivalent" (1124) and the teaching of the Qur'an is followed (refer to definition).
Why?
Peace
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All things are created but it is ridiculous to assume that Muhammad can create "makhluq" through his speech (the Qur'an).
Further, why are you making personal assumptions on my behalf?
Is this how you make your point?
You did not answer my question, is the Prophet (sawa) infallible?
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Islam is a religion, therefore the book is a religious book.
Islam is a religion, cause its a proclamation of Gods existence.
The quran is a religious book, cause its islams scripture.
Salam
Can you prove your conclusion from the ayat in the Qur'an?
Peace.
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Your historiography is fictitious.
It comes from your book, Ummayad supporters yuck
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Firstly i did not mention that Arabic was the language of Allah All-Mighty
So you agree that it is created. Talking about our school, the school of Ahlul Bayt, your sect did not exist at ALL throughout history.. rotfl
Unless you imply that you are mutazillite. The Mutazili scholars also relied on ahadith from the Sunni (ie we call 'amma) sources.
Next question, do you believe that our Master Mustafa (sawa) is infallible?
And on another note to give divinity to a created book is shirk and you worship the Quran
U are ignorant on the subject of islamic history. The mu'tazilites were not the first to claim that the quran is the only source of authority in islam.
You say that mutazili scholars also relied on sunni hadiths. This is a mistake.
Mutazili scholars did NOT 'rely' on hadiths, some of them 'used' them as historical or social references and only in legal contexts.
This is because the mutazilites methodology towards perceiving the world and processing knowledge, was fundamentally different from traditionalists.
The greatest mutazilite, Ibrahim al Nazzam, was claimed to have been a very strict quranic muslim, implementing the sola-scriptura methodology.
Except some minor groups, no mutazilite ever would give the hadiths religious relevance.
Later on, mutazilites would slowly be influenced by sunni and shia thought, due to pressing political reasons.
The mutazilites you assume to know, are no mutazilites. They are the product of sunni and shia polemics about the mutazilites.
Check
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605045.msg337497#msg337497
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Firstly i did not mention that Arabic was the language of Allah All-Mighty
So you agree that it is created. Talking about our school, the school of Ahlul Bayt, your sect did not exist at ALL throughout history.. rotfl
Unless you imply that you are mutazillite. The Mutazili scholars also relied on ahadith from the Sunni (ie we call 'amma) sources.
Next question, do you believe that our Master Mustafa (sawa) is infallible?
And on another note to give divinity to a created book is shirk and you worship the Quran
No human is infallible.
Worship Qur'an?
Please go back to English school and learn what the word worship means.
Where in the Qur'an does it say there are humans that are infallible?
Our sect never existed throughout history?
Do you know a Sunni imam named Al Shafi? He debated and opposed people who only took and believed Qur'an alone as God's guidance.Your Shia folks glorify Ali, Hussein, Muawiya, Fatima. It is enough to call it is a form of idol-worship.