Worship Allah and not the Quran
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Salaam,
The true interpretation of Sura al-Ikhlas reveals that Allah is not "God", this is acceptable. (read book).
Nor is there to Him any equivalent
(1124)Further, it is safe for us to say we don't know what is Allah and focus on our duty in the Qur'an. This is so since the Qur'an is a book about human beings and living creatures. It is a book about us and our duty.
Peace.
I meant God with capital G, not 'god'
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Like the concept of 'atheist Jew'. But a Jew is an ethnic term, not a religious one.
Quran is a religious book. U are walking on thin ice )
If you follow the teachings of the quran, then you will follow its most important one
God IS.
Salam
The Qur'an is not a religious book, and Islam is not a religion.
Peace
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Firstly i did not mention that Arabic was the language of Allah All-Mighty
So you agree that it is created. Talking about our school, the school of Ahlul Bayt, your sect did not exist at ALL throughout history.. rotfl
Unless you imply that you are mutazillite. The Mutazili scholars also relied on ahadith from the Sunni (ie we call 'amma) sources.
Next question, do you believe that our Master Mustafa (sawa) is infallible?
And on another note to give divinity to a created book is shirk and you worship the Quran
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QA is not a sect because unlike sects such as Sunni / Shi'a / Ahmadiyya / Ismaili etc, in this pure creed of Abraham, anyone who believes in one God and oneness of God, don't set up partners with God, believe in the Last Day etc have already been muslims, they don't have to pronounce the testimony of faith to become a Muslim.
Sorry i am itching to respond to you, cant help it. How about those who oppressed the Family of the Prophet (sawa) and supported them?
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Salaam,
The true interpretation of Sura al-Ikhlas reveals that Allah is not "God", this is acceptable. (read book).
Nor is there to Him any equivalent
(1124)Further, it is safe for us to say we don't know what is Allah and focus on our duty in the Qur'an. This is so since the Qur'an is a book about human beings and living creatures. It is a book about us and our duty.
Peace.
Dangerous grounds.
But the premise that the qur'an states that there is no God, is incorrect, it clearly states otherwise.
But..
It is correct that God can not be described, not even by the word God.
It is correct that any concept you may have about God, is deficient, and thus, wrong.
It is even correct that the non religious, even the atheist, is often nearer to God than many religious people, cause a non-religious person often has a 'clean slate' on this subject and is sceptic and critical, which are very big virtues most religious people dont possess, and even reject.
It is true the qur'an is a guide, but no book of law. You say the book is about us and your duty, no that is a simplification. Before everything, it is about introducing people to the existence of God.
Strictly spoken, we don't know anything, but what we can know, is that there is a God. The standpoint that there is no, is untenable.
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Firstly i did not mention that Arabic was the language of Allah All-Mighty
So you agree that it is created. Talking about our school, the school of Ahlul Bayt, your sect did not exist at ALL throughout history.. rotfl
Unless you imply that you are mutazillite. The Mutazili scholars also relied on ahadith from the Sunni (ie we call 'amma) sources.
Next question, do you believe that our Master Mustafa (sawa) is infallible?
Salam,
All things are created but it is ridiculous to assume that Muhammad can create "makhluq" through his speech (the Qur'an).
Further, why are you making personal assumptions on my behalf?
Is this how you make your point?
Peace
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Salam
The Qur'an is not a religious book, and Islam is not a religion.
Peace
Islam is a religion, therefore the book is a religious book.
Islam is a religion, cause its a proclamation of Gods existence.
The quran is a religious book, cause its islams scripture.
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Dangerous grounds.
But the premise that the qur'an states that there is no God, is incorrect, it clearly states otherwise.
But..
It is correct that God can not be described, not even by the word God.
It is correct that any concept you may have about God, is deficient, and thus, wrong.
It is even correct that the non religious, even the atheist, is often nearer to God than many religious people, cause a non-religious person often has a 'clean slate' on this subject and is sceptic and critical, which are very big virtues most religious people dont possess, and even reject.
It is true the qur'an is a guide, but no book of law. You say the book is about us and your duty, no that is a simplification. Before everything, it is about introducing people to the existence of God.
Strictly spoken, we don't know anything, but what we can know, is that there is a God. The standpoint that there is no, is untenable.
Salam
So it is wrong to believe that "Nor is there to Him any equivalent" (1124) and the teaching of the Qur'an is followed (refer to definition).
Why?
Peace
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All things are created but it is ridiculous to assume that Muhammad can create "makhluq" through his speech (the Qur'an).
Further, why are you making personal assumptions on my behalf?
Is this how you make your point?
You did not answer my question, is the Prophet (sawa) infallible?
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Islam is a religion, therefore the book is a religious book.
Islam is a religion, cause its a proclamation of Gods existence.
The quran is a religious book, cause its islams scripture.
Salam
Can you prove your conclusion from the ayat in the Qur'an?
Peace.
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Your historiography is fictitious.
It comes from your book, Ummayad supporters yuck
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Firstly i did not mention that Arabic was the language of Allah All-Mighty
So you agree that it is created. Talking about our school, the school of Ahlul Bayt, your sect did not exist at ALL throughout history.. rotfl
Unless you imply that you are mutazillite. The Mutazili scholars also relied on ahadith from the Sunni (ie we call 'amma) sources.
Next question, do you believe that our Master Mustafa (sawa) is infallible?
And on another note to give divinity to a created book is shirk and you worship the Quran
U are ignorant on the subject of islamic history. The mu'tazilites were not the first to claim that the quran is the only source of authority in islam.
You say that mutazili scholars also relied on sunni hadiths. This is a mistake.
Mutazili scholars did NOT 'rely' on hadiths, some of them 'used' them as historical or social references and only in legal contexts.
This is because the mutazilites methodology towards perceiving the world and processing knowledge, was fundamentally different from traditionalists.
The greatest mutazilite, Ibrahim al Nazzam, was claimed to have been a very strict quranic muslim, implementing the sola-scriptura methodology.
Except some minor groups, no mutazilite ever would give the hadiths religious relevance.
Later on, mutazilites would slowly be influenced by sunni and shia thought, due to pressing political reasons.
The mutazilites you assume to know, are no mutazilites. They are the product of sunni and shia polemics about the mutazilites.
Check
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605045.msg337497#msg337497
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Firstly i did not mention that Arabic was the language of Allah All-Mighty
So you agree that it is created. Talking about our school, the school of Ahlul Bayt, your sect did not exist at ALL throughout history.. rotfl
Unless you imply that you are mutazillite. The Mutazili scholars also relied on ahadith from the Sunni (ie we call 'amma) sources.
Next question, do you believe that our Master Mustafa (sawa) is infallible?
And on another note to give divinity to a created book is shirk and you worship the Quran
No human is infallible.
Worship Qur'an?
Please go back to English school and learn what the word worship means.
Where in the Qur'an does it say there are humans that are infallible?
Our sect never existed throughout history?
Do you know a Sunni imam named Al Shafi? He debated and opposed people who only took and believed Qur'an alone as God's guidance.Your Shia folks glorify Ali, Hussein, Muawiya, Fatima. It is enough to call it is a form of idol-worship.
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Salam
So it is wrong to believe that "Nor is there to Him any equivalent" (1124) and the teaching of the Qur'an is followed (refer to definition).
Why?
Peace
It is wrong to believe that 'nor is there to Him any equivalent', is capable of defining God. It is correct as a statement.
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It comes from your book, Ummayad supporters yuck
Lets state it comes from 'my book', how come u as a shia hold on to that historiography?
As for your reaction, I have nothing to do with Ummayad supporters.
You do. Even more than you think. Your whole shia doctrine is defined by interaction with the ahl al-hadith, and it wasn't chrystallized until well into the 18th century.
How about that?