If "Only Allah", then "Allah Alone" is our watchword
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So you deny that Allah gave....
That sounds very arrogant, sorry.
Good bye, I don't want to spoil this thread with my argument.
It's your habit indeed.
You mostly type words which only can be understand by you only.
It's like Quranic version of God, gave the Book to humankind which only can be understand by Him only.My version of God is not same with yours, I still believe in God, but now starting studying all Scriptures from the zero again, to find out what kind of AlMighty whom I must submit to.
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You mostly type words which only can be understand by you only.
It's like Quranic version of God, gave the Book to humankind which only can be understand by Him only.Yes, you cannot understand.. it is the heart, not mind. The Quran uses language of the heart and requires us to be purified from Shirk etc ... and obviously many doesn't share your conclusion and can understand the Quran... at least, millions of people and thousands are converted into Islam every year after reading the Quran ... or.. yes, I forgot.. you are different, special and supreme than others.
You have great wisdom and clear thinking, others don't.
The problem of difference in tafseer within Quranist is lack of study and lack of wisdom and clear thinking.
I try to use wisdomly conclusion for this cause
Ok actually I get bored because it seems some members in here didn't study the Quran properly
I guess you have studied the Quran properly and therefore rejecting "sufficient evidence" from Allah because of 1% things you cannot understand from the Quran. It is not sufficient and you need 100% proof from Allah, without even 1% effort from you to properly submitting to Allah.
It is You we serve and You we ask for help.
Guide us to the straight path (1.5-6)Very sound and wisdomly decision. handshake
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Peace, Peace, Peace
Submitting wholesomely yourself or something to Allah, the God of all Universes means He has accepted you and your entire generation behind you into His care. For example, when Imran's wife wholesomely put her Trust in Allah and entrusted Him with regard to what she carried in her Womb, Allah had accepted it very dearly. He created the submission of her into a pure female with a soul of His RUH. This is because when something is entrusted with Allah, Allah accepts the Trust with a 'Be' and He only knows how He shall fashion it with His RUH. After that based on the truthfulness of your submission, you are totally detached from doing anything as good to that which you had already submitted and placed in the Trust of God.
In the instance of Imran's wife, after her submission might think of doing something good to her baby but in the eyes of Allah it is bad; what she might think as bad might turn out to be good before Allah; Allah knows while she does not know. Allah, having fully accepted her plea and submission upon Him, He knows what is to be done now. Imran's wife, the mother of Maryam has to be raised from this world leaving her child upon this earth under her God's care; her life ends there with utmost completion. Much before she was to be raised into Allah's fold, the father of the child, the prophet Imran was made to be no more. Allah's design 'Be' continues.
Having orphaned, Maryam was given to, to be reared under the care of their closest relative, the most honoured one in their family, prophet Zackariya. Since Maryam was under the care of the Trust of wife of Imran, entrusted with Allah, Zackariya was never even aware of having given her enough care, or provided her with her needs and requirements; so every time Zackariya visited her room he found all provisions in abundance to his astonishment. Since Zackariya himself a believer in Almighty, the Ample Giving, he got totally satisfied with Maryam's answer, bringing his memory upon Allah, the Most Generous, to his query to Maryam as to 'whence her provisions'?
Overwhelmed with Maryam's answer, Zackariya submits then and there wholesomely to Allah, His long cherished need for a successor; again like in the case of Imran's wife, Allah took upon Him, Zackariya's submission into His Trust. He gave Zackariya, a son Yahya whose name has never been spelt or christened before upon anyone. Maryam's son Isa and Zackariya's son Yahya were named by Allah, and were given much knowledge and wisdom at birth.
The need for such descendants should be the ardent submission before Allah for every believing man and woman. Such babies of them have salam at birth; salam as they live; salam when they die; and salam when they are raised up. All the messengers, the submitting and surrendering Muslims, the helpers in the cause of Allah, the Martyrs of a good cause, the Good-doers, the Well Mannered and Guided people - all of them who are living today is because of such submission of either of their parents or of the both the parents.
1933 And peace on me on the day I was born, and on the day I die, and on the day I am raised to life.
Every child of this status would be informed of such Truth, by the Malayikas or Allah Himself as they are born and as His RUH is breathed into them as their first breath.
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No Seeking of Increase in Wealth and Children
Most of us are weak enough in Iman due to our lack of association free allegiance to Allah. And Allah asserts this too in Chapter Yusuf, "And most of them believe not in Allah except while they associate other than Him with Him." There is an element of shirk in the hearts of most of every one of all walks, however greatly endowed may he be, in his belief in God. This means shaitan is the chief element destroying our hearts, marring the prospects of our beautiful life of paradise/jannah starting from this world itself, right away. Every one knows well it is only by His Grace, all the elements of goods we are experiencing and living such moments at any point of time in our lives. But we are ungrateful nevertheless; we keep rejecting or forgetting due to lack of thankfulness and remembering Him more and more praising His Glory. It is because of our pride in our hearts, the words of shaitans, that whisper and say 'all glory be to us! all glory be to us!' with or without our knowledge. The more we hear to such dishonourable words from shaitan, the more forgetful we become of Allah and the more ungrateful we are in the eyes of Allah. We are rejecters knowingly or unknowingly because of our element of pride.
As long as we live in this world none is free from this element of rejection, association, as a result engaging in argumentation, creating chaos and confusion to the bliss of Iblis; and to the great dissatisfaction of malayikas. If our intent is to be forgiven for these short comings all we shall ask is O Allah, the God of all universes forgive our sins; cleanse our hearts and purify our souls from shirk. More to this, we need patience and kindness towards the believers with such of those short comings that any one of us have with only certain variations in degrees and grades, swinging in ups and down. We shall have some amount fear all the time without finding fault with one another; and without becoming proud when we increase in the worldly pleasures and things. We should know at this that having all those short comings it is not that Allah is rewarding us with His bounties but as only a test more severe and severe to see how we behave. This is the reason why we have to spend from our earnings a beautiful part towards beautiful activities, pleasing to God. This is doing zakath; not giving zakath. Zakath means purification from pride and self glorification. If one is fearing God it is because of his learning and understanding this truth. But those who are arrogant with pride, Allah warns us the see them that say 1977 "Have you, then, seen him who rejects Our communications and says I shall certainly be given wealth and children?"
The pious ones as believers that they are, they accept they have rejection element in their hearts and it is Allah who forgives such of the evil in us slowly and steadily; He is raising us to purification of our souls; and He ordains upon us to spend from what He had given us, and start doing it from now on. Allah says I measure your requirements and needs; it is not you would assess your needs. Become humble before me and do not advance before me priding yourself you are the earner for all your future.
Those who behave contrarily are those who would be tested severely in this world with poverty and afflictions. If we have to remove our poverty and diseases and feel safe about these things for the entire tomorrows to come, never show your pride before others and spend more in the good cause humbly. The only good cause is spending to cause increase the belief and piety in God and free the community from rejection of the Truth.
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Yes, you cannot understand.. it is the heart, not mind. The Quran uses language of the heart and requires us to be purified from Shirk etc ... and obviously many doesn't share your conclusion and can understand the Quran... at least, millions of people and thousands are converted into Islam every year after reading the Quran ... or.. yes, I forgot.. you are different, special and supreme than others.
I'm afraid, Quranic God never authorize language of heart as well as kod 19.
It's just like Christian's the Ten Commandment, never authorized in Scripture, but just the result of tafseer and religious councilIndeed you still believe if Quran is God's words, because it's verses said so.
All people will have wisdom thinking if they became open minded, not influenced by anykind of dogma.I guess you have studied the Quran properly and therefore rejecting "sufficient evidence" from Allah because of 1% things you cannot understand from the Quran. It is not sufficient and you need 100% proof from Allah, without even 1% effort from you to properly submitting to Allah
If you dealing eith an atheist, are you still said like this?? Forced own prespective while talking to someone with different prespective??
You even don't know my daily activities, so how you judge me like that ;D.Btw there is no compulsion in deen/religion.I still submit to God, but just refute if QUran is His word.
May peace be with you
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Scholarly Ignorance
Arabic scholars search meanings for every word of Quran by their 'Root Letters'. But when Allah Himself gives them the 'SPECIFIC ROOT LETTERS' for the entire Quran, they reject it as no more than an empty pot.
Alif, Laam, Meem - This is the Book.
Alif, Laam, Raa - These are the Signs of the Wise Book.
Alif, Laam, Raa - The Book whose Signs are made Decisive.
Alif, Laam, Raa - These are the Manifest Signs of the Book.
Alif, Laam, Meem, Raa - These are the Signs of the Book, Revealed.
Alif, Laam, Raa - The Book, Revealing the Light of God.
Alif, Laam, Raa - These are the Signs of the Book, AND A CLEAR QURAN.
Kaf, Ha, Ya, Ain, Saad - Mercy from God to those who follow His servant Zakariah.
Ta, Ha - Quran, to defeat the defeat.
Ta, Seen, Meem - These are the Signs of the Quran, Clear.
Ta, Seen - These are the Signs of Quran, the clear Book.
Ta, Seen, Meem - These are the Signs of the Clear Book.
Alif, Laam, Meem - These are the Signs of the Book of Wisdom
Alif, Laam, Meem - Book of Revelation
Ya, Seen - Quran full of Wisdom
Saad - Quran of Admonition
Ha, Meem - Book of Allah, the Mighty, All Knowing
Ha, Meem - The Revelation from Allah, The Beneficent, The MercifulHa, Meem
Ain, Seen, Qaf - Thus does ALLAH, The MIGHTY, THE WISE, REVEALHa, Meem - Allah swears by this Book, that makes things Clear.
Ha, Meem - Allah swears by this Book, that makes things Manifest.
Ha, Meem - Allah's Revelation, the Mighty, the Wise.
Qaf - Quran, Glorious - "I SWEAR!"
Noon - By what you write, it is clear Light, the Noor. -
Scholarly Ignorance
Arabic scholars search meanings for every word of Quran by their 'Root Letters'. But when Allah Himself gives them the 'SPECIFIC ROOT LETTERS' for the entire Quran, they reject it as no more than an empty pot.
Alif, Laam, Meem - This is the Book.
Alif, Laam, Raa - These are the Signs of the Wise Book.
Alif, Laam, Raa - The Book whose Signs are made Decisive.
Alif, Laam, Raa - These are the Manifest Signs of the Book.
Alif, Laam, Meem, Raa - These are the Signs of the Book, Revealed.
Alif, Laam, Raa - The Book, Revealing the Light of God.
Alif, Laam, Raa - These are the Signs of the Book, AND A CLEAR QURAN.
Kaf, Ha, Ya, Ain, Saad - Mercy from God to those who follow His servant Zakariah.
Ta, Ha - Quran, to defeat the defeat.
Ta, Seen, Meem - These are the Signs of the Quran, Clear.
Ta, Seen - These are the Signs of Quran, the clear Book.
Ta, Seen, Meem - These are the Signs of the Clear Book.
Alif, Laam, Meem - These are the Signs of the Book of Wisdom
Alif, Laam, Meem - Book of Revelation
Ya, Seen - Quran full of Wisdom
Saad - Quran of Admonition
Ha, Meem - Book of Allah, the Mighty, All Knowing
Ha, Meem - The Revelation from Allah, The Beneficent, The MercifulHa, Meem
Ain, Seen, Qaf - Thus does ALLAH, The MIGHTY, THE WISE, REVEALHa, Meem - Allah swears by this Book, that makes things Clear.
Ha, Meem - Allah swears by this Book, that makes things Manifest.
Ha, Meem - Allah's Revelation, the Mighty, the Wise.
Qaf - Quran, Glorious - "I SWEAR!"
Noon - By what you write, it is clear Light, the Noor.Arabic scholars search meanings for every word of Quran by their 'Root Letters'.
Because that is how in Arabic word are formed. And how are these root letters? Root letters for what?
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Yes, you cannot understand.. it is the heart, not mind. The Quran uses language of the heart and requires us to be purified from Shirk etc ... and obviously many doesn't share your conclusion and can understand the Quran... at least, millions of people and thousands are converted into Islam every year after reading the Quran ... or.. yes, I forgot.. you are different, special and supreme than others.
You have great wisdom and clear thinking, others don't.
I guess you have studied the Quran properly and therefore rejecting "sufficient evidence" from Allah because of 1% things you cannot understand from the Quran. It is not sufficient and you need 100% proof from Allah, without even 1% effort from you to properly submitting to Allah.
It is You we serve and You we ask for help.
Guide us to the straight path (1.5-6)Very sound and wisdomly decision. handshake
The Quran uses language of the heart
Yet Quran claims it is an Arabic Quran.
Do all of you make up such tin-pot theories but are unable understand even a word of Arabic?
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Chimp is no Champ
Peace,
I would appreciate you giving the wisdom and sign from the following "Grand Signs of Allah" using only the Arabic used in the verses below; and explain each verse in simple and plain English, using your Arabic linguistic excellence alone bring out each of their Signs of admonitions and glad tidings so that it strengthens my iman in Allah; and therewith I become a muslim unto Allah, and at salam with Allah as the malayika receive my soul with "Salam" adjudging me as a muslim finally, by the leave of Allah, The All-Knowing, The Knower of All Languages, thus Him making me among "the Foremost".
891 By the Dawn
892 By the Nights twice five
893 By the even and odd
(By Allah, Chimp is no champ)
Peace
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O People of The Book
19 1
Kaf Ha Ya Ain SaadKaf - KAF - SUFFICIENT Is He
Ha - HUDHA - To put you in the STRAIGHT PATH
Ya - YAMEEN - FLOURISHING in
Ain - ILM - The WISDOM and in
Saad - SADAQ - The TRUTH.O People Of The Book!
19 1 SUFFICIENT is HE to put you in the STRAIGHT PATH, FLOURISHING in the WISDOM and in the TRUTH. -
Yet Quran claims it is an Arabic Quran.
It is true for those whose understanding and faith is equal to those in kindergarten...
We cannot forever be in kindergarten, can we? laugh
And We have certainly created for Hell many of the jinn and mankind
They have hearts
with which they do not understand
they have eyes
with which they do not see
and they have ears
with which they do not hear
Those are like livestock
rather, they are more astray
It is they who are the heedless
(7.179)And whenever a surah is revealed
there are among the hypocrites those who say
"Which of you has this increased faith?"As for those who believed
it has increased them in faith
while they are rejoicingBut as for those in whose hearts is disease
it (verses from the Quran) has increased them in evil to their evil
And they will have died while they are disbelievers
(9.124)And ouch .. it doesn't say your scholars...
And from them
We appointed leaders
giving guidance under Our CommandAS LONG as <- two primary conditions to become Muslim leaders/scholars/messenger etc.
they struggled with patience
and had certainty regarding Our revelations(32.24)
Your scholars believe in Bukhary and others more than Allah
They do not have absolute faith in the Quran..
and therefore, they are not Muslim leaders/scholars.
and therefore, there is no reason for me to believe their teachings/religions.
....sorry for the interruption.. drfazl.
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It is true for those whose understanding and faith is equal to those in kindergarten...
We cannot forever be in kindergarten, can we? laugh
And We have certainly created for Hell many of the jinn and mankind
They have hearts
with which they do not understand
they have eyes
with which they do not see
and they have ears
with which they do not hear
Those are like livestock
rather, they are more astray
It is they who are the heedless
(7.179)And whenever a surah is revealed
there are among the hypocrites those who say
"Which of you has this increased faith?"As for those who believed
it has increased them in faith
while they are rejoicingBut as for those in whose hearts is disease
it (verses from the Quran) has increased them in evil to their evil
And they will have died while they are disbelievers
(9.124)And ouch .. it doesn't say your scholars...
And from them
We appointed leaders
giving guidance under Our CommandAS LONG as <- two primary conditions to become Muslim leaders/scholars/messenger etc.
they struggled with patience
and had certainty regarding Our revelations(32.24)
Your scholars believe in Bukhary and others more than Allah
They do not have absolute faith in the Quran..
and therefore, they are not Muslim leaders/scholars.
and therefore, there is no reason for me to believe what they say.
....sorry for the interruption.. drfazl.
Well said . . . as it is kids that use insults as sufficient form of reply. What was put to you - that you were unable to answer . . . once again.
Isn't it a wonder that "Quran only" are actually about disregarding Hadith and the established faith rather than using Quran itself.
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I wonder how a sectarian can understand Islam... impossible! as equal to fresh water and sea water.. laugh
And you are not a sect? How pathetic . . . every "sect" claims that only they are Islam and others are sect. "Quran only" too is a sect.
Has any of you got brains? Or is it all petty insults. . .
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And you are not a sect? How pathetic . . . every "sect" claims that only they are Islam and others are sect. "Quran only" too is a sect.
Some here are sectarians.. but I'm not..
Of course, when people mention about a certain religion, I will answer to my self.. "that is my religion". All these faiths are my religion. I am an Atheist, Sunnist, Shi'ite, Hadither, Quranist/Submitter/Code 19, Hinduist, Buddhist, Taoist, Judist, Christian, Sikhist, Spiritualist, Humanist, Satanist, Luciferianist and practising all other faiths, not prostrating to Allah Alone or ByGod, but both to Allah and Adam.
I practices ALL KNOWN RELIGIONS, AND BEYOND RELIGIONS!
I only have two perspectives.. just, or unjust. That's it.
bye.
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Nope..
bye.
Simple "nope" . . . ha ha ha . . . of course it is a "sect" . . . and what is even more laughable and pathetic . . . that you are sectarian. There is strand here about marriages with "Quran only". Sectarian. And that is just one example.
So a simple "nope" - just reveals dishonesty.
Of course, when people mention about a certain religion, I will answer to my self.. "that is my religion". All these faiths are my religion. I am an Atheist, Sunnist, Shi'ite, Hadither, Quranist/Submitter/Code 19, Hinduist, Buddhist, Taoist, Judist, Christian, Sikhist, Spiritualist, Humanist, Satanist, Luciferianist and practising all other faiths, not prostrating to Allah Alone or ByGod, but both to Allah and Adam.
I practices ALL KNOWN RELIGIONS, AND BEYOND RELIGIONS!
Ah . . . the Quran only and committing of Shirk? Or Quran only running to other sources? Or is it . . . Quran only pinching from Sufism? Ibn Arabi in particular?
Of course it is a bye . . . when you no longer can answer - it is a "bye".
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