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If "Only Allah", then "Allah Alone" is our watchword

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    unknownuser
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    Yes, you cannot understand.. it is the heart, not mind. The Quran uses language of the heart and requires us to be purified from Shirk etc ... and obviously many doesn't share your conclusion and can understand the Quran... at least, millions of people and thousands are converted into Islam every year after reading the Quran ... or.. yes, I forgot.. you are different, special and supreme than others.

    I'm afraid, Quranic God never authorize language of heart as well as kod 19.
    It's just like Christian's the Ten Commandment, never authorized in Scripture, but just the result of tafseer and religious council

    Indeed you still believe if Quran is God's words, because it's verses said so.
    All people will have wisdom thinking if they became open minded, not influenced by anykind of dogma.

    I guess you have studied the Quran properly and therefore rejecting "sufficient evidence" from Allah because of 1% things you cannot understand from the Quran. It is not sufficient and you need 100% proof from Allah, without even 1% effort from you to properly submitting to Allah

    If you dealing eith an atheist, are you still said like this?? Forced own prespective while talking to someone with different prespective??
    You even don't know my daily activities, so how you judge me like that ;D.

    Btw there is no compulsion in deen/religion.I still submit to God, but just refute if QUran is His word.

    May peace be with you

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      drfazl
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      Scholarly Ignorance

      Arabic scholars search meanings for every word of Quran by their 'Root Letters'. But when Allah Himself gives them the 'SPECIFIC ROOT LETTERS' for the entire Quran, they reject it as no more than an empty pot.

      Alif, Laam, Meem - This is the Book.
      Alif, Laam, Raa - These are the Signs of the Wise Book.
      Alif, Laam, Raa - The Book whose Signs are made Decisive.
      Alif, Laam, Raa - These are the Manifest Signs of the Book.
      Alif, Laam, Meem, Raa - These are the Signs of the Book, Revealed.
      Alif, Laam, Raa - The Book, Revealing the Light of God.
      Alif, Laam, Raa - These are the Signs of the Book, AND A CLEAR QURAN.
      Kaf, Ha, Ya, Ain, Saad - Mercy from God to those who follow His servant Zakariah.
      Ta, Ha - Quran, to defeat the defeat.
      Ta, Seen, Meem - These are the Signs of the Quran, Clear.
      Ta, Seen - These are the Signs of Quran, the clear Book.
      Ta, Seen, Meem - These are the Signs of the Clear Book.
      Alif, Laam, Meem - These are the Signs of the Book of Wisdom
      Alif, Laam, Meem - Book of Revelation
      Ya, Seen - Quran full of Wisdom
      Saad - Quran of Admonition
      Ha, Meem - Book of Allah, the Mighty, All Knowing
      Ha, Meem - The Revelation from Allah, The Beneficent, The Merciful

      Ha, Meem
      Ain, Seen, Qaf - Thus does ALLAH, The MIGHTY, THE WISE, REVEAL

      Ha, Meem - Allah swears by this Book, that makes things Clear.
      Ha, Meem - Allah swears by this Book, that makes things Manifest.
      Ha, Meem - Allah's Revelation, the Mighty, the Wise.
      Qaf - Quran, Glorious - "I SWEAR!"
      Noon - By what you write, it is clear Light, the Noor.

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        The_Chimp
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        Scholarly Ignorance

        Arabic scholars search meanings for every word of Quran by their 'Root Letters'. But when Allah Himself gives them the 'SPECIFIC ROOT LETTERS' for the entire Quran, they reject it as no more than an empty pot.

        Alif, Laam, Meem - This is the Book.
        Alif, Laam, Raa - These are the Signs of the Wise Book.
        Alif, Laam, Raa - The Book whose Signs are made Decisive.
        Alif, Laam, Raa - These are the Manifest Signs of the Book.
        Alif, Laam, Meem, Raa - These are the Signs of the Book, Revealed.
        Alif, Laam, Raa - The Book, Revealing the Light of God.
        Alif, Laam, Raa - These are the Signs of the Book, AND A CLEAR QURAN.
        Kaf, Ha, Ya, Ain, Saad - Mercy from God to those who follow His servant Zakariah.
        Ta, Ha - Quran, to defeat the defeat.
        Ta, Seen, Meem - These are the Signs of the Quran, Clear.
        Ta, Seen - These are the Signs of Quran, the clear Book.
        Ta, Seen, Meem - These are the Signs of the Clear Book.
        Alif, Laam, Meem - These are the Signs of the Book of Wisdom
        Alif, Laam, Meem - Book of Revelation
        Ya, Seen - Quran full of Wisdom
        Saad - Quran of Admonition
        Ha, Meem - Book of Allah, the Mighty, All Knowing
        Ha, Meem - The Revelation from Allah, The Beneficent, The Merciful

        Ha, Meem
        Ain, Seen, Qaf - Thus does ALLAH, The MIGHTY, THE WISE, REVEAL

        Ha, Meem - Allah swears by this Book, that makes things Clear.
        Ha, Meem - Allah swears by this Book, that makes things Manifest.
        Ha, Meem - Allah's Revelation, the Mighty, the Wise.
        Qaf - Quran, Glorious - "I SWEAR!"
        Noon - By what you write, it is clear Light, the Noor.

        Arabic scholars search meanings for every word of Quran by their 'Root Letters'.

        Because that is how in Arabic word are formed. And how are these root letters? Root letters for what?

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          The_Chimp
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          Yes, you cannot understand.. it is the heart, not mind. The Quran uses language of the heart and requires us to be purified from Shirk etc ... and obviously many doesn't share your conclusion and can understand the Quran... at least, millions of people and thousands are converted into Islam every year after reading the Quran ... or.. yes, I forgot.. you are different, special and supreme than others.

          You have great wisdom and clear thinking, others don't.

          I guess you have studied the Quran properly and therefore rejecting "sufficient evidence" from Allah because of 1% things you cannot understand from the Quran. It is not sufficient and you need 100% proof from Allah, without even 1% effort from you to properly submitting to Allah.

          It is You we serve and You we ask for help.
          Guide us to the straight path (1.5-6)

          Very sound and wisdomly decision. handshake

          The Quran uses language of the heart

          Yet Quran claims it is an Arabic Quran.

          Do all of you make up such tin-pot theories but are unable understand even a word of Arabic?

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            drfazl
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            Scholarly Ignorance

            Arabic scholars search meanings for every word of Quran by their 'Root Letters'. But when Allah Himself gives them the 'SPECIFIC ROOT LETTERS' for the entire Quran, they reject it as no more than an empty pot.

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              The_Chimp
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              I bet the lot of you self medicate . . . why bother with doctors!

              Do you also represent yourself if hauled before a magistrate?

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                drfazl
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                Chimp is no Champ

                Peace,

                I would appreciate you giving the wisdom and sign from the following "Grand Signs of Allah" using only the Arabic used in the verses below; and explain each verse in simple and plain English, using your Arabic linguistic excellence alone bring out each of their Signs of admonitions and glad tidings so that it strengthens my iman in Allah; and therewith I become a muslim unto Allah, and at salam with Allah as the malayika receive my soul with "Salam" adjudging me as a muslim finally, by the leave of Allah, The All-Knowing, The Knower of All Languages, thus Him making me among "the Foremost".

                891 By the Dawn

                892 By the Nights twice five

                893 By the even and odd

                (By Allah, Chimp is no champ)

                Peace

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                  drfazl
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                  O People of The Book
                  19 1
                  Kaf Ha Ya Ain Saad

                  Kaf - KAF - SUFFICIENT Is He
                  Ha - HUDHA - To put you in the STRAIGHT PATH
                  Ya - YAMEEN - FLOURISHING in
                  Ain - ILM - The WISDOM and in
                  Saad - SADAQ - The TRUTH.

                  O People Of The Book!
                  19 1 SUFFICIENT is HE to put you in the STRAIGHT PATH, FLOURISHING in the WISDOM and in the TRUTH.

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                    muslims
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                    Yet Quran claims it is an Arabic Quran.

                    It is true for those whose understanding and faith is equal to those in kindergarten...

                    We cannot forever be in kindergarten, can we? laugh

                    And We have certainly created for Hell many of the jinn and mankind
                    They have hearts
                    with which they do not understand
                    they have eyes
                    with which they do not see
                    and they have ears
                    with which they do not hear
                    Those are like livestock
                    rather, they are more astray
                    It is they who are the heedless
                    (7.179)

                    And whenever a surah is revealed
                    there are among the hypocrites those who say
                    "Which of you has this increased faith?"

                    As for those who believed
                    it has increased them in faith
                    while they are rejoicing

                    But as for those in whose hearts is disease
                    it (verses from the Quran) has increased them in evil to their evil
                    And they will have died while they are disbelievers
                    (9.124)

                    And ouch .. it doesn't say your scholars...

                    And from them
                    We appointed leaders
                    giving guidance under Our Command

                    AS LONG as <- two primary conditions to become Muslim leaders/scholars/messenger etc.

                    they struggled with patience
                    and had certainty regarding Our revelations

                    (32.24)

                    Your scholars believe in Bukhary and others more than Allah

                    They do not have absolute faith in the Quran..

                    and therefore, they are not Muslim leaders/scholars.

                    and therefore, there is no reason for me to believe their teachings/religions.

                    ....sorry for the interruption.. drfazl.

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                      drfazl
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                      You are very very welcome, muslims.
                      May Allah Bless You.

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                        The_Chimp
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                        It is true for those whose understanding and faith is equal to those in kindergarten...

                        We cannot forever be in kindergarten, can we? laugh

                        And We have certainly created for Hell many of the jinn and mankind
                        They have hearts
                        with which they do not understand
                        they have eyes
                        with which they do not see
                        and they have ears
                        with which they do not hear
                        Those are like livestock
                        rather, they are more astray
                        It is they who are the heedless
                        (7.179)

                        And whenever a surah is revealed
                        there are among the hypocrites those who say
                        "Which of you has this increased faith?"

                        As for those who believed
                        it has increased them in faith
                        while they are rejoicing

                        But as for those in whose hearts is disease
                        it (verses from the Quran) has increased them in evil to their evil
                        And they will have died while they are disbelievers
                        (9.124)

                        And ouch .. it doesn't say your scholars...

                        And from them
                        We appointed leaders
                        giving guidance under Our Command

                        AS LONG as <- two primary conditions to become Muslim leaders/scholars/messenger etc.

                        they struggled with patience
                        and had certainty regarding Our revelations

                        (32.24)

                        Your scholars believe in Bukhary and others more than Allah

                        They do not have absolute faith in the Quran..

                        and therefore, they are not Muslim leaders/scholars.

                        and therefore, there is no reason for me to believe what they say.

                        ....sorry for the interruption.. drfazl.

                        Well said . . . as it is kids that use insults as sufficient form of reply. What was put to you - that you were unable to answer . . . once again.

                        Isn't it a wonder that "Quran only" are actually about disregarding Hadith and the established faith rather than using Quran itself.

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                          muslims
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                          I wonder how a sectarian can understand Islam... impossible! laugh

                          as equal to fresh water and sea water..

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                            The_Chimp
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                            I wonder how a sectarian can understand Islam... impossible! as equal to fresh water and sea water.. laugh

                            And you are not a sect? How pathetic . . . every "sect" claims that only they are Islam and others are sect. "Quran only" too is a sect.


                            Has any of you got brains? Or is it all petty insults. . .

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                              The_Chimp
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                              I didn't get anything . . . other than quotes! How strange. . . can you not answer?

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                                muslims
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                                And you are not a sect? How pathetic . . . every "sect" claims that only they are Islam and others are sect. "Quran only" too is a sect.

                                Some here are sectarians.. but I'm not..

                                Of course, when people mention about a certain religion, I will answer to my self.. "that is my religion". All these faiths are my religion. I am an Atheist, Sunnist, Shi'ite, Hadither, Quranist/Submitter/Code 19, Hinduist, Buddhist, Taoist, Judist, Christian, Sikhist, Spiritualist, Humanist, Satanist, Luciferianist and practising all other faiths, not prostrating to Allah Alone or ByGod, but both to Allah and Adam.

                                I practices ALL KNOWN RELIGIONS, AND BEYOND RELIGIONS!

                                I only have two perspectives.. just, or unjust. That's it.

                                bye.

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                                  The_Chimp
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                                  Nope..

                                  bye.

                                  Simple "nope" . . . ha ha ha . . . of course it is a "sect" . . . and what is even more laughable and pathetic . . . that you are sectarian. There is strand here about marriages with "Quran only". Sectarian. And that is just one example.

                                  So a simple "nope" - just reveals dishonesty.

                                  Of course, when people mention about a certain religion, I will answer to my self.. "that is my religion". All these faiths are my religion. I am an Atheist, Sunnist, Shi'ite, Hadither, Quranist/Submitter/Code 19, Hinduist, Buddhist, Taoist, Judist, Christian, Sikhist, Spiritualist, Humanist, Satanist, Luciferianist and practising all other faiths, not prostrating to Allah Alone or ByGod, but both to Allah and Adam.

                                  I practices ALL KNOWN RELIGIONS, AND BEYOND RELIGIONS!

                                  Ah . . . the Quran only and committing of Shirk? Or Quran only running to other sources? Or is it . . . Quran only pinching from Sufism? Ibn Arabi in particular?

                                  Of course it is a bye . . . when you no longer can answer - it is a "bye".

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                                    drfazl
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                                    bye.

                                    This single word carries lots of meaning going by its 'Root letters'.

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                                      muslims
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                                      going by its 'Root letters'.

                                      Mankind was one single nation (2.213)

                                      One..

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                                        The_Chimp
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                                        This single word carries lots of meaning going by its 'Root letters'.

                                        I asked you a question earlier . . . could you not answer?

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                                          drfazl
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                                          Mankind was one single nation (2.213)

                                          True

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