If "Only Allah", then "Allah Alone" is our watchword

The_Chimp

Yes, you cannot understand.. it is the heart, not mind. The Quran uses language of the heart and requires us to be purified from Shirk etc ... and obviously many doesn't share your conclusion and can understand the Quran... at least, millions of people and thousands are converted into Islam every year after reading the Quran ... or.. yes, I forgot.. you are different, special and supreme than others.

You have great wisdom and clear thinking, others don't.

I guess you have studied the Quran properly and therefore rejecting "sufficient evidence" from Allah because of 1% things you cannot understand from the Quran. It is not sufficient and you need 100% proof from Allah, without even 1% effort from you to properly submitting to Allah.

It is You we serve and You we ask for help.
Guide us to the straight path (1.5-6)

Very sound and wisdomly decision. handshake

The Quran uses language of the heart

Yet Quran claims it is an Arabic Quran.

Do all of you make up such tin-pot theories but are unable understand even a word of Arabic?

drfazl

Scholarly Ignorance

Arabic scholars search meanings for every word of Quran by their 'Root Letters'. But when Allah Himself gives them the 'SPECIFIC ROOT LETTERS' for the entire Quran, they reject it as no more than an empty pot.

The_Chimp

I bet the lot of you self medicate . . . why bother with doctors!

Do you also represent yourself if hauled before a magistrate?

drfazl

Chimp is no Champ

Peace,

I would appreciate you giving the wisdom and sign from the following "Grand Signs of Allah" using only the Arabic used in the verses below; and explain each verse in simple and plain English, using your Arabic linguistic excellence alone bring out each of their Signs of admonitions and glad tidings so that it strengthens my iman in Allah; and therewith I become a muslim unto Allah, and at salam with Allah as the malayika receive my soul with "Salam" adjudging me as a muslim finally, by the leave of Allah, The All-Knowing, The Knower of All Languages, thus Him making me among "the Foremost".

891 By the Dawn

892 By the Nights twice five

893 By the even and odd

(By Allah, Chimp is no champ)

Peace

drfazl

O People of The Book
19 1
Kaf Ha Ya Ain Saad

Kaf - KAF - SUFFICIENT Is He
Ha - HUDHA - To put you in the STRAIGHT PATH
Ya - YAMEEN - FLOURISHING in
Ain - ILM - The WISDOM and in
Saad - SADAQ - The TRUTH.

O People Of The Book!
19 1 SUFFICIENT is HE to put you in the STRAIGHT PATH, FLOURISHING in the WISDOM and in the TRUTH.

muslims

Yet Quran claims it is an Arabic Quran.

It is true for those whose understanding and faith is equal to those in kindergarten...

We cannot forever be in kindergarten, can we? laugh

And We have certainly created for Hell many of the jinn and mankind
They have hearts
with which they do not understand
they have eyes
with which they do not see
and they have ears
with which they do not hear
Those are like livestock
rather, they are more astray
It is they who are the heedless
(7.179)

And whenever a surah is revealed
there are among the hypocrites those who say
"Which of you has this increased faith?"

As for those who believed
it has increased them in faith
while they are rejoicing

But as for those in whose hearts is disease
it (verses from the Quran) has increased them in evil to their evil
And they will have died while they are disbelievers
(9.124)

And ouch .. it doesn't say your scholars...

And from them
We appointed leaders
giving guidance under Our Command

AS LONG as <- two primary conditions to become Muslim leaders/scholars/messenger etc.

they struggled with patience
and had certainty regarding Our revelations

(32.24)

Your scholars believe in Bukhary and others more than Allah

They do not have absolute faith in the Quran..

and therefore, they are not Muslim leaders/scholars.

and therefore, there is no reason for me to believe their teachings/religions.

....sorry for the interruption.. drfazl.

drfazl

You are very very welcome, muslims.
May Allah Bless You.

The_Chimp

It is true for those whose understanding and faith is equal to those in kindergarten...

We cannot forever be in kindergarten, can we? laugh

And We have certainly created for Hell many of the jinn and mankind
They have hearts
with which they do not understand
they have eyes
with which they do not see
and they have ears
with which they do not hear
Those are like livestock
rather, they are more astray
It is they who are the heedless
(7.179)

And whenever a surah is revealed
there are among the hypocrites those who say
"Which of you has this increased faith?"

As for those who believed
it has increased them in faith
while they are rejoicing

But as for those in whose hearts is disease
it (verses from the Quran) has increased them in evil to their evil
And they will have died while they are disbelievers
(9.124)

And ouch .. it doesn't say your scholars...

And from them
We appointed leaders
giving guidance under Our Command

AS LONG as <- two primary conditions to become Muslim leaders/scholars/messenger etc.

they struggled with patience
and had certainty regarding Our revelations

(32.24)

Your scholars believe in Bukhary and others more than Allah

They do not have absolute faith in the Quran..

and therefore, they are not Muslim leaders/scholars.

and therefore, there is no reason for me to believe what they say.

....sorry for the interruption.. drfazl.

Well said . . . as it is kids that use insults as sufficient form of reply. What was put to you - that you were unable to answer . . . once again.

Isn't it a wonder that "Quran only" are actually about disregarding Hadith and the established faith rather than using Quran itself.

muslims

I wonder how a sectarian can understand Islam... impossible! laugh

as equal to fresh water and sea water..

The_Chimp

I wonder how a sectarian can understand Islam... impossible! as equal to fresh water and sea water.. laugh

And you are not a sect? How pathetic . . . every "sect" claims that only they are Islam and others are sect. "Quran only" too is a sect.

Has any of you got brains? Or is it all petty insults. . .

The_Chimp

I didn't get anything . . . other than quotes! How strange. . . can you not answer?

muslims

And you are not a sect? How pathetic . . . every "sect" claims that only they are Islam and others are sect. "Quran only" too is a sect.

Some here are sectarians.. but I'm not..

Of course, when people mention about a certain religion, I will answer to my self.. "that is my religion". All these faiths are my religion. I am an Atheist, Sunnist, Shi'ite, Hadither, Quranist/Submitter/Code 19, Hinduist, Buddhist, Taoist, Judist, Christian, Sikhist, Spiritualist, Humanist, Satanist, Luciferianist and practising all other faiths, not prostrating to Allah Alone or ByGod, but both to Allah and Adam.

I practices ALL KNOWN RELIGIONS, AND BEYOND RELIGIONS!

I only have two perspectives.. just, or unjust. That's it.

bye.

The_Chimp

Nope..

bye.

Simple "nope" . . . ha ha ha . . . of course it is a "sect" . . . and what is even more laughable and pathetic . . . that you are sectarian. There is strand here about marriages with "Quran only". Sectarian. And that is just one example.

So a simple "nope" - just reveals dishonesty.

Of course, when people mention about a certain religion, I will answer to my self.. "that is my religion". All these faiths are my religion. I am an Atheist, Sunnist, Shi'ite, Hadither, Quranist/Submitter/Code 19, Hinduist, Buddhist, Taoist, Judist, Christian, Sikhist, Spiritualist, Humanist, Satanist, Luciferianist and practising all other faiths, not prostrating to Allah Alone or ByGod, but both to Allah and Adam.

I practices ALL KNOWN RELIGIONS, AND BEYOND RELIGIONS!

Ah . . . the Quran only and committing of Shirk? Or Quran only running to other sources? Or is it . . . Quran only pinching from Sufism? Ibn Arabi in particular?

Of course it is a bye . . . when you no longer can answer - it is a "bye".

drfazl

bye.

This single word carries lots of meaning going by its 'Root letters'.

muslims

going by its 'Root letters'.

Mankind was one single nation (2.213)

One..

The_Chimp

This single word carries lots of meaning going by its 'Root letters'.

I asked you a question earlier . . . could you not answer?

drfazl

Mankind was one single nation (2.213)

True

drfazl

I asked you a question earlier . . . could you not answer?

Root letters for what?

I think you can open up your eyes and read again
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg344551#msg344551

Now my question and challenge to you.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg344555#msg344555

The_Chimp

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg344551#msg344551

Then I do not understand your answer. Please clarify.

But when Allah Himself gives them the 'SPECIFIC ROOT LETTERS' for the entire Quran

How are they "root letter" for the entire Quran?

The_Chimp

I think you can open up your eyes and read again
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg344551#msg344551

Now my question and challenge to you.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg344555#msg344555

Try not getting rude . . . rather please answer - if not leave it. How am I meant to understand your quote? I don't. This is why I am asking you to explain.

Don't start issuing challenges . . . if you can answer please . . . else you simply made up whole lot of nonsense and can no longer account for it.