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    good_logic
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    Peace mmkhan.

    "Quital" and "Qatal" are two different words with different meanings.

    In 3325, "Quital" means fighting.

    Here look ,the verse is saying( your red bit) GOD ...(.God spared the believers any fighting)....

    GOD bless you.
    Peace.

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      mmkhan
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      Peace mmkhan.

      "Quital" and "Qatal" are two different words with different meanings.

      In 3325, "Quital" means fighting.

      Here look ,the verse is saying( your red bit) GOD ...(.God spared the believers any fighting)....

      GOD bless you.
      Peace.

      Peace brother,

      Yes I agree that Qitaal is different that Qatala but they both derived from the same root. So, base meaning will not change in them.

      You translated "kafaa" as "spared"? hmm
      Sorry to say but I cannot agree with this bro. How will you translate "kafaa" in 1343.

      May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
      mmKhan

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        good_logic
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        Peace Brother.

        Again I have to disappoint you. The context of "Kafa" in the two verses is different

        In 1343 it means "suffice" "enough for me"... i.e GOD suffices ...

        In 3325 it means "spared "..."no more"...enough for now... i.e GOD saved the believers from Quital...

        That is my understanding .
        GOD bless you.
        Peace.

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          Man_of_Faith
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          Edit I missed looking what you were talking about because you wrote in transliteration and in a strange way. I spoke of something else.

          Be well

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            mmkhan
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            Peace Brother.

            Again I have to disappoint you. The context of "Kafa" in the two verses is different

            Peace brother,

            Red D

            In 1343 it means "suffice" "enough for me"... i.e GOD suffices ...

            In 3325 it means "spared "..."no more"...enough for now... i.e GOD saved the believers from Quital...

            That is my understanding .
            GOD bless you.
            Peace.

            Thanks for your explanation.

            To me one Arabic word from alQuraan/alKitaab gives a single meaning always and does not give multiple meanings in any condition. And I will also disappoint you by disagreeing with your understanding Anyway that is not a problem though.

            May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
            mmKhan

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              FreedomStands
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              Peace brother,

              Red D

              Thanks for your explanation.

              To me one Arabic word from alQuraan/alKitaab gives a single meaning always and does not give multiple meanings in any condition. And I will also disappoint you by disagreeing with your understanding Anyway that is not a problem though.

              May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
              mmKhan

              What is your view on this matter and these words? Were you of the school that thought Musa did not kill a man as is traditionally believed? I'd like to know your views!

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                Man_of_Faith
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                mmkhan,

                You have taken a good stance concerning the nature of the Arabic words.

                Do you know where brother Bender went by the way?

                Be well

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                  mmkhan
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                  mmkhan,

                  You have taken a good stance concerning the nature of the Arabic words.

                  Do you know where brother Bender went by the way?

                  Be well

                  Peace brother,

                  Thank you.
                  I am actually waiting for him.
                  He asked me not to contact him until he gets back.

                  May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                  mmKhan

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                    FreedomStands
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                    Whose this Bender person? I think Bender might be a more appropriate name for me.

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                      Man_of_Faith
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                      Bender is a user on the forum who has become inactive.

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                        FreedomStands
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                        Bender is a user on the forum who has become inactive.

                        What were his general beliefs? What would you say mine are?

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                          Man_of_Faith
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                          He seemed to hold similar beliefs as mmkhan. Everything he believed had to strictly be found in Quran and he seemed open to that the interpretation of Quran was not always right.

                          Not sure about specifics. He may have changed what he thinks now.

                          You seem to accept the mainstream Islam despite that you probably even yourself know it is wrong somehow for the sake of unity.

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                            FreedomStands
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                            He seemed to hold similar beliefs as mmkhan. Everything he believed had to strictly be found in Quran and he seemed open to that the interpretation of Quran was not always right.

                            Not sure about specifics. He may have changed what he thinks now.

                            You seem to accept the mainstream Islam despite that you probably even yourself know it is wrong somehow for the sake of unity.

                            Good answers! I do reject the Hadith though, particularly where it appears to blasphemy by claiming "Allah said" or whatever and its not in the Qur'an, and I wholly don't believe in it pretty much, which sets me apart at least from the real hardcore Hadith loving type of Muslims, but I believe that those practices which may be found in the Hadith which are being performed today, some of them are fine to retain for the sake of unity like you said, and the mainstream versions of the Qur'an seem to also approve of pagan rituals and practices knowingly and says they are ok, it seems mainly against philosophical issues and beliefs more than the practices of going around in the pilgrimage or whatever else. It looks like there may have been a practice of "garlands" but the Muslims seemed to have stopped that.

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                              Man_of_Faith
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                              In my interpretation of Quran, it says those practices are dubious and a distraction.

                              Be well

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                                mmmm
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                                I think 254 is in favor of Man of Faith's translation of the word q-t-l, with which I also agree.
                                What is your translation of the word z-b-h in 37102?

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                                  Wakas
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                                  mmmm, I recommend
                                  http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13069.msg273059#msg273059
                                  http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602123.0

                                  All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                    Man_of_Faith
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                                    mmmm,

                                    Za-Ba-Ha means to slay/kill someone.

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                                      hicham9
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                                      qtl means to kill, slay, or simply put to death.

                                      What is your translation of the word z-b-h in 37102?

                                      db = to slaughter, or sacrifice.

                                      In my dialect, is used in the sense of slitting (the throat).

                                      just my two ?.

                                      SLM

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                                        mmmm
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                                        Thanks all for answers. I know that since it was seen in a dream it has a metaphorical meaning. I was just wondering if someone knows what exactly Ibrahim did here...I know it was not literal slaughter. But I guess this is for another thread...sorry for posting this here.

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                                          mmkhan
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                                          mmmm, I recommend
                                          http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13069.msg273059#msg273059
                                          http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602123.0

                                          Peace brother Wakas,

                                          Interesting!
                                          Thank you for the links.
                                          I like the meaning of QTL in the link given, mashaAllah.

                                          May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                                          mmKhan

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