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mmkhan,
You have taken a good stance concerning the nature of the Arabic words.
Do you know where brother Bender went by the way?
Be well
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mmkhan,
You have taken a good stance concerning the nature of the Arabic words.
Do you know where brother Bender went by the way?
Be well
Peace brother,
Thank you.
I am actually waiting for him.
He asked me not to contact him until he gets back.May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan -
Whose this Bender person? I think Bender might be a more appropriate name for me.
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Bender is a user on the forum who has become inactive.
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Bender is a user on the forum who has become inactive.
What were his general beliefs? What would you say mine are?
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He seemed to hold similar beliefs as mmkhan. Everything he believed had to strictly be found in Quran and he seemed open to that the interpretation of Quran was not always right.
Not sure about specifics. He may have changed what he thinks now.
You seem to accept the mainstream Islam despite that you probably even yourself know it is wrong somehow for the sake of unity.
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He seemed to hold similar beliefs as mmkhan. Everything he believed had to strictly be found in Quran and he seemed open to that the interpretation of Quran was not always right.
Not sure about specifics. He may have changed what he thinks now.
You seem to accept the mainstream Islam despite that you probably even yourself know it is wrong somehow for the sake of unity.
Good answers! I do reject the Hadith though, particularly where it appears to blasphemy by claiming "Allah said" or whatever and its not in the Qur'an, and I wholly don't believe in it pretty much, which sets me apart at least from the real hardcore Hadith loving type of Muslims, but I believe that those practices which may be found in the Hadith which are being performed today, some of them are fine to retain for the sake of unity like you said, and the mainstream versions of the Qur'an seem to also approve of pagan rituals and practices knowingly and says they are ok, it seems mainly against philosophical issues and beliefs more than the practices of going around in the pilgrimage or whatever else. It looks like there may have been a practice of "garlands" but the Muslims seemed to have stopped that.
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In my interpretation of Quran, it says those practices are dubious and a distraction.
Be well
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mmmm,
Za-Ba-Ha means to slay/kill someone.
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Thanks all for answers. I know that since it was seen in a dream it has a metaphorical meaning. I was just wondering if someone knows what exactly Ibrahim did here...I know it was not literal slaughter. But I guess this is for another thread...sorry for posting this here.
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mmmm, I recommend
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13069.msg273059#msg273059
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602123.0Peace brother Wakas,
Interesting!
Thank you for the links.
I like the meaning of QTL in the link given, mashaAllah.May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan -
mmmm, I recommend
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13069.msg273059#msg273059
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602123.0I still don't get it...so he sent his son away? Now I'm thinking maybe that's not the point in the story. The main thing might be that he asked his son for an opinion...
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Peace Hafeez,
Not once did Allah say that remember me in the salat.
This proves that the salat is not for the remembrance of Allah.
What about 2014?
2014 I am allah, there is no ilah except me, so serve me and establish al-salat for my remembrance.
May the infinite creator bless you.
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Peace Man of Faith,
I agree with your translation of "allah". I am getting more and more convinced that "allah" as used in al-quran does not mean "the god" (which implies that it needs to be worshipped) but means "the one who is".
Can you kindly provide me with the Aramaic source for the meaning of "elah"?
The infinite creator (al-khaaliq) and sustainer (rabb) is not needy and does not need any worship.
How can someone worship what he/she is a tiny part of?
For those who believe that the infinite creator is distinct and separate from the creation and the creation is not its tiny part/manifestation, I have a very simple question
Where does your god end and you begin?
2115 And to allah belong the east and the west, so wherever you turn, there is the face of allah, allah is encompassing, knowledgeable.
If 2115 is true, then "allah" cannot mean "the god", because if it means "the god", then it needs to be worshipped, implying it is a distinct and separate entity from the worshipper, in which case it will not be "wherever you turn", because if you turn to the space occupied by the worshipper's sub atomic particles, it will not be there.
2115 will also negate any worshipping rituals because if you are worshipping allah, you are including yourself also in that worship, because you yourself are a tiny part of allah.
This is why serving allah includes service to others (good deeds), and ya3badoon (5156) has to mean "to serve" and not "to worship".
The concept of "worship" has resulted in all the paganism in the world, including the pagan religion by the proper name "Islam" (capital I) which is nowhere to be found in al-quran. Al-quran guides us towards "islam"/peacemaking (small i) and defines it as "deen"/system/obligation (53) and not as a religion.
May the infinite creator guide us all to the truth.
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Ibrahim has a recurrent dream which he feels has a meaning. It concerns his son, so when his son is old enough to form a judgement, he tells him about his dream and asks him opinion.
The whole scene is far from dramatic, Ibrahim talks to his son in the diminutive, "my dear little son", and the son answers "you will see that I am of the patient ones"
If the question was about sacrificing by slaughtering the son, the answer is wird, when somebody is going to be executed, just like that by his own father, patience does not seem the most required quality but may be stoutness of heart, courage, and again the thing seems amiable and peaceful, no dramatism, just trying to igure out what is required of them, and the both of them aslama, an Ibrahim makes a symbolical move as it would be for a sacrifice, but of course there is no kinfe, nor anything like the thought that he would litterally sacrifice his son, but the key word is "aslamaa", "both of them aslama" both of them put themselves in God's hands. And then God says they have fulfilled the dream.
We may understand this dream as applying to all of us. All of us must sacrifice ourselves and give ourselves up to God, and concenring our children we must always understand they they are not ours, but God's. Ismael was a desired boy, was the fulfillment of his parents longings and he was an excellent boy. It is very common that people cling to their children, especially the good ones as if they were their right or something they would never have to give up. But this scene makes us realise that we must give them up and let God be the one who orders their life, not us our craving or our need. God wioll also take care of us in our children's absence.
Salaam
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I still don't get it...so he sent his son away? Now I'm thinking maybe that's not the point in the story. The main thing might be that he asked his son for an opinion...
My understanding
Abraham dreamt that he was literally slaughtering/sacrificing his son BUT like other visions in Quran it was symbolic of something else, i.e. do not take the dream/vision literally as it represents something else. In this case, leaving his son - this matches perfectly with the story of Abraham as discussed in the link I gave. I recommend re-reading it.
For further information
http//quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=620.msg2264#msg2264And
Furthermore, in AQ ru'ya/vision/dream is used in only three other instances, that is for Joseph (125, 12100), the King (1243) and Abraham (37102), and it means dream/vision in ALL cases, specifically a vision foretelling a future occurrence/event, and in ALL instances the ru'ya/vision is explained.
From
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-masjid-al-haram-Quran.htmlThe only weakness that I can see in my understanding is that "dhibh" is used 37107 not in a dream/vision context, meaning it would most likely be used in its literal meaning of "that which is slaughtered / sacrifice / offering", although it could be a play on words which I have seen before in Quran. The core meaning of the root is to split/sever.
In terms of the evidence, I consider my view better weighted than the other options.
