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mmkhan,
You have taken a good stance concerning the nature of the Arabic words.
Do you know where brother Bender went by the way?
Be well
Peace brother,
Thank you.
I am actually waiting for him.
He asked me not to contact him until he gets back.May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan -
Whose this Bender person? I think Bender might be a more appropriate name for me.
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Bender is a user on the forum who has become inactive.
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Bender is a user on the forum who has become inactive.
What were his general beliefs? What would you say mine are?
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He seemed to hold similar beliefs as mmkhan. Everything he believed had to strictly be found in Quran and he seemed open to that the interpretation of Quran was not always right.
Not sure about specifics. He may have changed what he thinks now.
You seem to accept the mainstream Islam despite that you probably even yourself know it is wrong somehow for the sake of unity.
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He seemed to hold similar beliefs as mmkhan. Everything he believed had to strictly be found in Quran and he seemed open to that the interpretation of Quran was not always right.
Not sure about specifics. He may have changed what he thinks now.
You seem to accept the mainstream Islam despite that you probably even yourself know it is wrong somehow for the sake of unity.
Good answers! I do reject the Hadith though, particularly where it appears to blasphemy by claiming "Allah said" or whatever and its not in the Qur'an, and I wholly don't believe in it pretty much, which sets me apart at least from the real hardcore Hadith loving type of Muslims, but I believe that those practices which may be found in the Hadith which are being performed today, some of them are fine to retain for the sake of unity like you said, and the mainstream versions of the Qur'an seem to also approve of pagan rituals and practices knowingly and says they are ok, it seems mainly against philosophical issues and beliefs more than the practices of going around in the pilgrimage or whatever else. It looks like there may have been a practice of "garlands" but the Muslims seemed to have stopped that.
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In my interpretation of Quran, it says those practices are dubious and a distraction.
Be well
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mmmm,
Za-Ba-Ha means to slay/kill someone.
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Thanks all for answers. I know that since it was seen in a dream it has a metaphorical meaning. I was just wondering if someone knows what exactly Ibrahim did here...I know it was not literal slaughter. But I guess this is for another thread...sorry for posting this here.
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mmmm, I recommend
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13069.msg273059#msg273059
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602123.0Peace brother Wakas,
Interesting!
Thank you for the links.
I like the meaning of QTL in the link given, mashaAllah.May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan -
mmmm, I recommend
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13069.msg273059#msg273059
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602123.0I still don't get it...so he sent his son away? Now I'm thinking maybe that's not the point in the story. The main thing might be that he asked his son for an opinion...
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Peace Hafeez,
Not once did Allah say that remember me in the salat.
This proves that the salat is not for the remembrance of Allah.
What about 2014?
2014 I am allah, there is no ilah except me, so serve me and establish al-salat for my remembrance.
May the infinite creator bless you.
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Peace Man of Faith,
I agree with your translation of "allah". I am getting more and more convinced that "allah" as used in al-quran does not mean "the god" (which implies that it needs to be worshipped) but means "the one who is".
Can you kindly provide me with the Aramaic source for the meaning of "elah"?
The infinite creator (al-khaaliq) and sustainer (rabb) is not needy and does not need any worship.
How can someone worship what he/she is a tiny part of?
For those who believe that the infinite creator is distinct and separate from the creation and the creation is not its tiny part/manifestation, I have a very simple question
Where does your god end and you begin?
2115 And to allah belong the east and the west, so wherever you turn, there is the face of allah, allah is encompassing, knowledgeable.
If 2115 is true, then "allah" cannot mean "the god", because if it means "the god", then it needs to be worshipped, implying it is a distinct and separate entity from the worshipper, in which case it will not be "wherever you turn", because if you turn to the space occupied by the worshipper's sub atomic particles, it will not be there.
2115 will also negate any worshipping rituals because if you are worshipping allah, you are including yourself also in that worship, because you yourself are a tiny part of allah.
This is why serving allah includes service to others (good deeds), and ya3badoon (5156) has to mean "to serve" and not "to worship".
The concept of "worship" has resulted in all the paganism in the world, including the pagan religion by the proper name "Islam" (capital I) which is nowhere to be found in al-quran. Al-quran guides us towards "islam"/peacemaking (small i) and defines it as "deen"/system/obligation (53) and not as a religion.
May the infinite creator guide us all to the truth.
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Ibrahim has a recurrent dream which he feels has a meaning. It concerns his son, so when his son is old enough to form a judgement, he tells him about his dream and asks him opinion.
The whole scene is far from dramatic, Ibrahim talks to his son in the diminutive, "my dear little son", and the son answers "you will see that I am of the patient ones"
If the question was about sacrificing by slaughtering the son, the answer is wird, when somebody is going to be executed, just like that by his own father, patience does not seem the most required quality but may be stoutness of heart, courage, and again the thing seems amiable and peaceful, no dramatism, just trying to igure out what is required of them, and the both of them aslama, an Ibrahim makes a symbolical move as it would be for a sacrifice, but of course there is no kinfe, nor anything like the thought that he would litterally sacrifice his son, but the key word is "aslamaa", "both of them aslama" both of them put themselves in God's hands. And then God says they have fulfilled the dream.
We may understand this dream as applying to all of us. All of us must sacrifice ourselves and give ourselves up to God, and concenring our children we must always understand they they are not ours, but God's. Ismael was a desired boy, was the fulfillment of his parents longings and he was an excellent boy. It is very common that people cling to their children, especially the good ones as if they were their right or something they would never have to give up. But this scene makes us realise that we must give them up and let God be the one who orders their life, not us our craving or our need. God wioll also take care of us in our children's absence.
Salaam
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I still don't get it...so he sent his son away? Now I'm thinking maybe that's not the point in the story. The main thing might be that he asked his son for an opinion...
My understanding
Abraham dreamt that he was literally slaughtering/sacrificing his son BUT like other visions in Quran it was symbolic of something else, i.e. do not take the dream/vision literally as it represents something else. In this case, leaving his son - this matches perfectly with the story of Abraham as discussed in the link I gave. I recommend re-reading it.
For further information
http//quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=620.msg2264#msg2264And
Furthermore, in AQ ru'ya/vision/dream is used in only three other instances, that is for Joseph (125, 12100), the King (1243) and Abraham (37102), and it means dream/vision in ALL cases, specifically a vision foretelling a future occurrence/event, and in ALL instances the ru'ya/vision is explained.
From
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-masjid-al-haram-Quran.htmlThe only weakness that I can see in my understanding is that "dhibh" is used 37107 not in a dream/vision context, meaning it would most likely be used in its literal meaning of "that which is slaughtered / sacrifice / offering", although it could be a play on words which I have seen before in Quran. The core meaning of the root is to split/sever.
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peace truthseeker
What about 2014?
2014 I am allah, there is no ilah except me, so serve me and establish al-salat for my remembrance.
How are you so sure that the word means MY REMEMBRANCE?
The word has been mentioned six times in the Quran and the translators have interpreted it as ?MY REMEMBRANCE?. Is this interpretation correct? Let us check it.
Go, you and your brother, with My signs and do not slacken/be negligent/careless in My remembrance/MESSAGE Go, both of you, to Pharaoh. Indeed, he has transgressed And speak to him with gentle speech that perhaps he may be reminded or fear ." They said, "Our Lord, indeed we are afraid that he will hasten against us or that he will transgress said, "Fear not. Indeed, I am with you both; I hear and I see. So go to him and say, 'Indeed, we are messengers of your Lord, so send with us the Children of Israel and do not torment them. We have come to you with a sign from your Lord. And peace will be upon he who follows the guidance (20 42/43/44/45/46)
Moses was assigned a task of delivering His initial MESSAGES to pharaoh to release the children from his captivity and not to torment them. Thus the command was not be careless in His MESSAGE.
Unto those whose eyes had been under a covering from My remembrance /MESSAGE, nor had they been able to hear 18101
Do we remember Allah through eyes and ears?
And whoever TURNS AWAY from My remembrance/MESSAGE - indeed, he will have a depressed life, and We will gather him on the Day of Resurrection blind." (20 124)
Therefore shun those who TURN AWAY from Our MESSAGE and desire nothing but the life of this world. 5329
The turning away is not from the remembrance of Allah but from the MESSAGE of Allah.
Indeed, there was a party of My servants who said, 'Our Lord, we have believed, so forgive us and have mercy upon us, and You are the best of the merciful. But you took them in mockery until they made you to FORGET My remembrance/MESSAGE and you used to laugh at them. (23 109/110)
The disbelievers even in their dream never remembered Allah so the question of remembering Allah does not arise.
They will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for us to take besides You any allies. But You provided comforts for them and their fathers until they FORGOT the MESSAGE and became a people ruined." (Al-Furqaan 1
It was the MESSAGE that they FORGOT?
Has the MESSAGE been revealed to him out of us?" Rather, they are in doubt about My MESSAGE. Rather, they have not yet tasted My punishment. (388
So in the Quran is not My Remembrance but My MESSAGE
Indeed, I am Allah. There is no deity except Me, so SERVE Me and establish/SETUP COMMUNION (intimate communication) for My MESSAGE (20 14)
The command to Moses was to deliver the initial MESSAGES to pharaoh, so how will he deliver it? By means of mobile/email? The only mode of delivering the message was through communion (intimate communication) with pharaoh.
Go to Pharaoh. Indeed, he has transgressed. said, "My Lord, expand for me my breast And ease for me my task And untie the knot from my tongue That they may understand my speech.And appoint for me a minister from my family Aaron, my brother. Increase through him my strength And let him share my task That we may exalt You much And remember You much 2024 to 34
To deliver the MESSAGES of Allah, Moses said to Allah to remove the impediments from his speech so that Pharaoh and his people may understand what he says. Moses also asked to appoint his brother Aaron as his minister who will add to his strength and share his task.
And remember You much TO REMEMBER ALLAH MUCH did MOSES and Aaron establish the salat again and again ?
Think for a moment how Moses understood what salat is, in his first communication with Allah? He never questioned Allah about salat? What Moses recited in his salat? Was Torah revealed when he was commanded to establish salat?
REMEMBER
O you who have believed, remember Allah with much remembrance (Al-Ahzaab 41)
Remembrance of Allah is not at certain times but frequently. Do we need to establish the salat for MUCH REMEMBRANCE of Allah?
Remember Me wherefore, and I shall remember you and unto Me give thanks, and be not ingrate unto Me. (Al-Baqara 152)
But when the prayer is ended, then disperse abroad in the land and seek of Allah's grace, and REMEMBER ALLAH MUCH, that you may be successful. (Al-Jumu'a 10)
Did the believers establish the salat after the FRIDAY PRAYER for REMEMBERING ALLAH MUCH?
And when you have completed the prayer, REMEMBER Allah standing, sitting, or on your sides. But when you become secure, establish prayer. Indeed, prayer has been decreed upon the believers a decree of specified times. (An-Nisaa 103)
Remembrance of Allah AFTER the completion of SALAT? while standing, sitting and lying on sides ? What does this mean? What the believers were doing in their SALAT? JOKING?
Verily in the creation of the heavens and the earth and in the alternation of the night and the day are signs Unto the MEN OF UNDERSTANDING. Who remember Allah while standing or sitting or on their sides and give thought to the creation of the heavens and the earth, , "Our Lord, You did not create this aimlessly; exalted are You ; then protect us from the punishment of the Fire. (Aali Imraan 191)
REMEMBRANCE of Allah is anytime/anywhere/any position.
(is done only by the MEN OF UNDERSTANDING ]
