Is it zina?
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I think if injustice is happening and you've reasoned it out clearly, then your reaction is clearly justified.
If people are being whipped for actually being married in all senses, not cheating on someone else, but just missing paperwork, then this is a wrong practice, especially considering that there is no requirement for paperwork, only to be truly obligated with the financial burden of being the maintainer of the girl and honoring her with a dowry and proper support. Even so, open legality can assist in a few important ways in case anything really terrible happens but people have been made afraid because of lies and other things which have caused unjust rulings perhaps.
In other words, your reactions are normal reactions to what you are witnessing and thinking is happening, and your thought (if this is your thought) that "it is better not to marry legally) is also sensible in reaction to the information your mind is receiving and the simulations it is running that are making you feel threatened.
Yet, several major problems occur in the other fashion, outside of legal marriage, and people need to assess those risks as well, not just the harms that can occur to you from the law, but the harms that can occur without legal protection.
So when looking at things, one can look at things like one might a tool, and examine the dangers as well as the utility.
With a larger computation, taking in psychological factors as well as economic and legal and otherwise and examining the various laws in the lands and the cultures and basically as much information as possible, it comes out that marriage in a legal fashion better protects both the male and the female more than no marriage.
One can make a pre-nuptial agreement and contract in order to protect oneself from major wealth theft if that is a concern.
When people do not legally marry and end up having a child, major complications can occur which make things even more dangerous for the male than if they were married.
Also, a girl who is unwilling to get married, or a girl who would get married but doesn't get married, may in the first case be suspect for their lack of trust, and in the latter case may wish to have been married but their mind may wander to someone who is willing to marry them, and many girls after a good many years seek out others and marry them. There is a psychological level of disloyalty at times, even in marriage of course, except being married makes it much more of a chaotic hassle and in some cases adultery causes the loss of many legal rights for her in case of divorce whereas outside of legality it can be a free-for-all.
So take advantage of the law where you can for your own protection, and be sharp and protect yourself as best you can from the terrible possibilities even if they seem impossible. I personally have encountered a great deal of infidelity from the most religious seeming people and sources, so no one can really be trusted in the end and you need to make it very difficult for people to do wrong or they might still do it. This is the unfortunate state of most of humanity, who is far from a sense of empathy, mercy, and justice, and so they cheat, and plot, and their eyes wander, and they fight, and they hurt, and they get revenge, and they steal away children, and they mis-educate people, and whatever else, so protect yourself as best you can for all the possible shocks that may occur.
Yes, injustice, and injustice in the legal systems of the world will have a stench, but even if the wrench is smelly, you can use it to fix your bicycle or whatever else.
After a certain age, statistics seem to show marriages last longer. Young marriages are less likely to last, whereas young relationships are very unlikely to last outside of marriage.
The statistics (and actually talking to people in real life) show that people are betraying each other and abandoning each other very frequently, and they barely get to know each other, and they don't protect themselves in multiple ways including legally, but often also acquiring other issues due to their lack of fore-thought and strategy.
So if you have a girl, for your own protection, remain chaste so that she can't hurt THAT bad, and then bind her up in legalities which are in your favor, there is no better form of bondage than the kind which protects you from harm, even if it requires tying you up from giving too much that can hurt you later (like Yusuf went to jail to protect himself, he wanted the girl and she wanted him, but he was a smarter strategist even though it sounds absurd. If he committed adultery with her, she would have had power to harm him at any time, and being found out, he could have been executed or harmed greatly. He was attracted to her and would have happily done things had it not been that he was endowed with justice and right insight by Allah, and did not want to go against Allah, or the law, or risk harming himself. Compare it to the absolute trash in the Bible stories where David has a man murdered to steal his wife among other atrocious acts taught in the Bible as the doings of noble prophets, if such were even true, such is to be despised as filth).
So the best advise is strategy. Not faith (never faith or blind faith), nor emotional impulses (or chemical impulses), or anything but solid and well reasoned strategy which takes into account as many possibilities and types of information possible.
To be like a super computer of insight.
Things should be very public, very just, very well known that you are excellent.
If you could live in a glass house, so all can see that you are kind and gracious in the utmost, and their parents know it, and everyone knows it, you are protecting yourself that way, and if she does wrong, the whole world would be aware who is in the right and who is in the wrong, because you are utterly just and kind and did everything, were a total chump, legally married, gave her all the rights, did not do injustice by the standards of any laws, and then what can they say about you? So try your hardest to be impenetrable in the opinion of everyone, and then enjoy your penetration.
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Now i would like all of you to give an honest opinion such as Muttah marriage, since this issue came up sunni had been labeling these practices as Prostitution, eventhough sunni practices this type of marriage also(Misyar)
Now can these be categorized as Zina? i would like your honest opinions
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Muta3 is clearly prostitution when it lasta a few hours only. I wouldn't call it prostitution if it lasts two years.
Salaam
If i hire a prostitute to do me for a year does that count as Mutah? I see more commitment and love in Teenage couples then those who do Mutah
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Now i would like all of you to give an honest opinion such as Muttah marriage, since this issue came up sunni had been labeling these practices as Prostitution, eventhough sunni practices this type of marriage also(Misyar)
Now can these be categorized as Zina? i would like your honest opinions
If i hire a prostitute to do me for a year does that count as Mutah? I see more commitment and love in Teenage couples then those who do Mutah
It seems like you are not interested in what The Quran says.
See
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607700.msg373915#msg373915
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607700.msg373917#msg373917 -
If i hire a prostitute to do me for a year does that count as Mutah? I see more commitment and love in Teenage couples then those who do Mutah
I will agree with you in the current time. But Im thinking about our species. We wont last with such a thing. Contraseption pill changed our society.
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It seems like you are not interested in what The Quran says.
See
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607700.msg373915#msg373915
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607700.msg373917#msg373917Now it's not that i'm not interested in the quran, it's just that i see mutah as similar as prostitution that's all...it's even considered as Halal prostitution in Indonesia
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Now it's not that i'm not interested in the quran, it's just that i see mutah as similar as prostitution that's all...it's even considered as Halal prostitution in Indonesia
Once was. I heard there is lot of guest on my city. But now its considered ilehgal since it was too cheap. But you can have a girlfriend as a alternative. But I bet you'll find it difficult if you have a middle east face, including israel. For now, never heard of it anymore.
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My question is that do the people who does Mutah poligamy simply for sexual pleasure does not deserve any punishment?
I know it looks like that i'm a little pissed off, i'm not desperately trying to prove sex with a gf is permissable or anything but... it's just that this type of people who does misyar and mutah feels like they're taking advantage of god's law with their money(dowry) that's just how i feel.How do you feel if your buddy does a temporary poligamy marriage for sex and he said to your face "Don't worry man it's all halal i follow the instructions in the quran"
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My question is that do the people who does Mutah poligamy simply for sexual pleasure does not deserve any punishment?
I know it looks like that i'm a little pissed off, i'm not desperately trying to prove sex with a gf is permissable or anything but... it's just that this type of people who does misyar and mutah feels like they're taking advantage of god's law with their money(dowry) that's just how i feel.How do you feel if your buddy does a temporary poligamy marriage for sex and he said to your face "Don't worry man it's all halal i follow the instructions in the quran"
We are judged by our intentions, one may fool all of mankind but not Allah.
God bless
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Is it forbidden anywhere in the Qur'an to marry a former prostitute? No. But if you take her as a prostitute and tell her that you take her as wife, obviously you are sinning but not her.
Salaam
But the guy paid the dowry and had a permission from her family right? He followed the procedure in the quran how does that count as sinning from your perspective? Is it so hard to determine if that person is committing fornication or not that it needs 4 witness in the quran? why not just 1 person who saw the whole thing?
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You must know what you want. Either you are interested in being good or on not being caught. You decide.
Salaam
In being good or on not being caught? please explain what you mean by this statement i'm talking about temporary marriages here, not banging someone in secret or being caught doing it
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Are you interested in what Quran says?
But the guy paid the dowry and had a permission from her family right? He followed the procedure in the quran...
Fail
Understanding and mutual acceptance of marriage as a solemn/strong oath/contractThus, to answer your question for the specific case of "temporary marriage", there would be no punishment in this life but there may well be in the next life.
I recommend reading The Quran.
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In being good or on not being caught? please explain what you mean by this statement i'm talking about temporary marriages here, not banging someone in secret or being caught doing it
YOu must know whether you are wanting to have a prostitute or a wife. It is up to your design.
Salaam
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Peace kamenriderkiki,
I think that the Quran does not support sex before marriage. And loving eachother does not count as marriage, in my opinion. Besides, marriage consists of giving a dowry.
Love and compassion is one of the requirements though
"3021 From His signs is that He created for you mates from yourselves that you may reside with them, and He placed between you affection and compassion. In that are signs for a people who reflect"
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Are you interested in what Quran says?
Fail
Understanding and mutual acceptance of marriage as a solemn/strong oath/contractJust because i have doubts and a different perspective of what marriage really is doesn't mean i Fail by your standards & judgement
I recommend reading The Quran.
I do
Are you interested in what Quran says?
If not then i wouldn't be here
Thus, to answer your question for the specific case of "temporary marriage", there would be no punishment in this life but there may well be in the next life.
Ditto
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Since the quran is designed to evolve with culture and time, i have doubts about Sex with GF is zina since they swore an oath(not to bang someone else on their back), accepted by both parents and financially support each other and their relationship isn't arranged and forced that which falls in the category of unlawful like some legal arranged marriage.
Any thoughts about this ? I think adultery is to be labelled for someone who cheats or sexual intercourse with other than that person's GF
If you agree tell your reasons why, and if you disagree please state your reason also sun
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they swore an oath(not to bang someone else on their back), accepted by both parents and financially support each other and their relationship isn't arranged and forced that which falls in the category of unlawful like some legal arranged marriage.
Isn't this a description of marriage?
