Is it zina?

Farabi

If i hire a prostitute to do me for a year does that count as Mutah? I see more commitment and love in Teenage couples then those who do Mutah

I will agree with you in the current time. But Im thinking about our species. We wont last with such a thing. Contraseption pill changed our society.

unknownuser

It seems like you are not interested in what The Quran says.

See
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607700.msg373915#msg373915
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607700.msg373917#msg373917

Now it's not that i'm not interested in the quran, it's just that i see mutah as similar as prostitution that's all...it's even considered as Halal prostitution in Indonesia

Farabi

Now it's not that i'm not interested in the quran, it's just that i see mutah as similar as prostitution that's all...it's even considered as Halal prostitution in Indonesia

Once was. I heard there is lot of guest on my city. But now its considered ilehgal since it was too cheap. But you can have a girlfriend as a alternative. But I bet you'll find it difficult if you have a middle east face, including israel. For now, never heard of it anymore.

unknownuser

My question is that do the people who does Mutah poligamy simply for sexual pleasure does not deserve any punishment?
I know it looks like that i'm a little pissed off, i'm not desperately trying to prove sex with a gf is permissable or anything but... it's just that this type of people who does misyar and mutah feels like they're taking advantage of god's law with their money(dowry) that's just how i feel.

How do you feel if your buddy does a temporary poligamy marriage for sex and he said to your face "Don't worry man it's all halal i follow the instructions in the quran"

huruf

Is it forbidden anywhere in the Qur'an to marry a former prostitute? No. But if you take her as a prostitute and tell her that you take her as wife, obviously you are sinning but not her.

Salaam

hawk99

My question is that do the people who does Mutah poligamy simply for sexual pleasure does not deserve any punishment?
I know it looks like that i'm a little pissed off, i'm not desperately trying to prove sex with a gf is permissable or anything but... it's just that this type of people who does misyar and mutah feels like they're taking advantage of god's law with their money(dowry) that's just how i feel.

How do you feel if your buddy does a temporary poligamy marriage for sex and he said to your face "Don't worry man it's all halal i follow the instructions in the quran"

We are judged by our intentions, one may fool all of mankind but not Allah.

God bless

unknownuser

Is it forbidden anywhere in the Qur'an to marry a former prostitute? No. But if you take her as a prostitute and tell her that you take her as wife, obviously you are sinning but not her.

Salaam

But the guy paid the dowry and had a permission from her family right? He followed the procedure in the quran how does that count as sinning from your perspective? Is it so hard to determine if that person is committing fornication or not that it needs 4 witness in the quran? why not just 1 person who saw the whole thing?

huruf

You must know what you want. Either you are interested in being good or on not being caught. You decide.

Salaam

unknownuser

You must know what you want. Either you are interested in being good or on not being caught. You decide.

Salaam

In being good or on not being caught? please explain what you mean by this statement i'm talking about temporary marriages here, not banging someone in secret or being caught doing it

Wakas

Are you interested in what Quran says?

But the guy paid the dowry and had a permission from her family right? He followed the procedure in the quran...

Fail
Understanding and mutual acceptance of marriage as a solemn/strong oath/contract

Thus, to answer your question for the specific case of "temporary marriage", there would be no punishment in this life but there may well be in the next life.

I recommend reading The Quran.

huruf

In being good or on not being caught? please explain what you mean by this statement i'm talking about temporary marriages here, not banging someone in secret or being caught doing it

YOu must know whether you are wanting to have a prostitute or a wife. It is up to your design.

Salaam

unknownuser

Peace kamenriderkiki,

I think that the Quran does not support sex before marriage. And loving eachother does not count as marriage, in my opinion. Besides, marriage consists of giving a dowry.

Love and compassion is one of the requirements though

"3021 From His signs is that He created for you mates from yourselves that you may reside with them, and He placed between you affection and compassion. In that are signs for a people who reflect"

unknownuser

Are you interested in what Quran says?

Fail
Understanding and mutual acceptance of marriage as a solemn/strong oath/contract

Just because i have doubts and a different perspective of what marriage really is doesn't mean i Fail by your standards & judgement

I recommend reading The Quran.

I do

Are you interested in what Quran says?

If not then i wouldn't be here

Thus, to answer your question for the specific case of "temporary marriage", there would be no punishment in this life but there may well be in the next life.

Ditto

unknownuser

Since the quran is designed to evolve with culture and time, i have doubts about Sex with GF is zina since they swore an oath(not to bang someone else on their back), accepted by both parents and financially support each other and their relationship isn't arranged and forced that which falls in the category of unlawful like some legal arranged marriage.

Any thoughts about this ? I think adultery is to be labelled for someone who cheats or sexual intercourse with other than that person's GF

If you agree tell your reasons why, and if you disagree please state your reason also sun

reel

they swore an oath(not to bang someone else on their back), accepted by both parents and financially support each other and their relationship isn't arranged and forced that which falls in the category of unlawful like some legal arranged marriage.

Isn't this a description of marriage?

unknownuser

Isn't this a description of marriage?

Yeah it's similar to today's marriage that we all know so i don't really see much of a difference between a GF/BF relationship and today's marriage both of them are the same in my opinion just different names

good_logic

Peace Kamenriderkiki.

When you talk about subjects like these, you need to be aware of one very important factor

YOUR INTENTION.

What are your intentions? Do you respect men/women? Are you honest? Are you after the interest of both? Do you love one another and want to commit? etc...

These are very important questions to be asked before you look at what is allowed and so on...

If you notice in Qoran, when GOD talks about this subject He adds ( for example)

"GOD is fully cognisant of what you do"
"GOD knows everything you conceal and everything you reveal"
"..that you may succeed" ...etc.

What do all these mean? Simply that you may fool people but you cannot fool GOD!

So what is your intention? To have one girlfriend or many girlfriends? Then why not marry to be safe?

You see your question becomes irrelevant. What do you want really from a girlfriend/boyfriend,should be the point?

Qoran s advice is clear . See for yourself what it says, do not rely on what others say. Take it seriously as well as your relationship with the one you want to spend the rest of your life with.

GOD bless you.
Peace.

Wakas

Just because i have doubts and a different perspective of what marriage really is doesn't mean i Fail by your standards & judgement

I never said you fail. I recommend re-reading without emotion/bias.

You made the claim that in your provided example the person did everything as per Quran, but on the contrary, he failed as he did not regard the marriage tie as a solemn/strong oath/contract. Unless you take "strong/solemn" to mean something that can be temporary, superficial, opportunistic, disingenuous etc.

In any case, I have updated the link to include

2235 And there is no sin upon you if you openly propose marriage to the women, or you keep it between yourselves. God knows that you will be thinking about them, but do not meet them secretly, unless you have something righteous to say. And do not finalize the marriage contract until the book interim is reached. And know that God knows what is in your souls, so be aware of Him, and know that God is Forgiving, Compassionate.

2237 And if you divorce them before having sexual intercourse with them, but you have already set the dowry for them; then you must give half of what you have agreed, unless they forgive or the guardian over the marriage contract forgives. And if you forgive, it is closer to righteousness. And do not forget the favor between you; God is Seer of what you do.

Another fail for your example.

hawk99