Is it zina?
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My question is that do the people who does Mutah poligamy simply for sexual pleasure does not deserve any punishment?
I know it looks like that i'm a little pissed off, i'm not desperately trying to prove sex with a gf is permissable or anything but... it's just that this type of people who does misyar and mutah feels like they're taking advantage of god's law with their money(dowry) that's just how i feel.How do you feel if your buddy does a temporary poligamy marriage for sex and he said to your face "Don't worry man it's all halal i follow the instructions in the quran"
We are judged by our intentions, one may fool all of mankind but not Allah.
God bless
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Is it forbidden anywhere in the Qur'an to marry a former prostitute? No. But if you take her as a prostitute and tell her that you take her as wife, obviously you are sinning but not her.
Salaam
But the guy paid the dowry and had a permission from her family right? He followed the procedure in the quran how does that count as sinning from your perspective? Is it so hard to determine if that person is committing fornication or not that it needs 4 witness in the quran? why not just 1 person who saw the whole thing?
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You must know what you want. Either you are interested in being good or on not being caught. You decide.
Salaam
In being good or on not being caught? please explain what you mean by this statement i'm talking about temporary marriages here, not banging someone in secret or being caught doing it
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Are you interested in what Quran says?
But the guy paid the dowry and had a permission from her family right? He followed the procedure in the quran...
Fail
Understanding and mutual acceptance of marriage as a solemn/strong oath/contractThus, to answer your question for the specific case of "temporary marriage", there would be no punishment in this life but there may well be in the next life.
I recommend reading The Quran.
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In being good or on not being caught? please explain what you mean by this statement i'm talking about temporary marriages here, not banging someone in secret or being caught doing it
YOu must know whether you are wanting to have a prostitute or a wife. It is up to your design.
Salaam
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Peace kamenriderkiki,
I think that the Quran does not support sex before marriage. And loving eachother does not count as marriage, in my opinion. Besides, marriage consists of giving a dowry.
Love and compassion is one of the requirements though
"3021 From His signs is that He created for you mates from yourselves that you may reside with them, and He placed between you affection and compassion. In that are signs for a people who reflect"
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Are you interested in what Quran says?
Fail
Understanding and mutual acceptance of marriage as a solemn/strong oath/contractJust because i have doubts and a different perspective of what marriage really is doesn't mean i Fail by your standards & judgement
I recommend reading The Quran.
I do
Are you interested in what Quran says?
If not then i wouldn't be here
Thus, to answer your question for the specific case of "temporary marriage", there would be no punishment in this life but there may well be in the next life.
Ditto
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Since the quran is designed to evolve with culture and time, i have doubts about Sex with GF is zina since they swore an oath(not to bang someone else on their back), accepted by both parents and financially support each other and their relationship isn't arranged and forced that which falls in the category of unlawful like some legal arranged marriage.
Any thoughts about this ? I think adultery is to be labelled for someone who cheats or sexual intercourse with other than that person's GF
If you agree tell your reasons why, and if you disagree please state your reason also sun
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they swore an oath(not to bang someone else on their back), accepted by both parents and financially support each other and their relationship isn't arranged and forced that which falls in the category of unlawful like some legal arranged marriage.
Isn't this a description of marriage?
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Isn't this a description of marriage?
Yeah it's similar to today's marriage that we all know so i don't really see much of a difference between a GF/BF relationship and today's marriage both of them are the same in my opinion just different names
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Peace Kamenriderkiki.
When you talk about subjects like these, you need to be aware of one very important factor
YOUR INTENTION.
What are your intentions? Do you respect men/women? Are you honest? Are you after the interest of both? Do you love one another and want to commit? etc...
These are very important questions to be asked before you look at what is allowed and so on...
If you notice in Qoran, when GOD talks about this subject He adds ( for example)
"GOD is fully cognisant of what you do"
"GOD knows everything you conceal and everything you reveal"
"..that you may succeed" ...etc.What do all these mean? Simply that you may fool people but you cannot fool GOD!
So what is your intention? To have one girlfriend or many girlfriends? Then why not marry to be safe?
You see your question becomes irrelevant. What do you want really from a girlfriend/boyfriend,should be the point?
Qoran s advice is clear . See for yourself what it says, do not rely on what others say. Take it seriously as well as your relationship with the one you want to spend the rest of your life with.
GOD bless you.
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Just because i have doubts and a different perspective of what marriage really is doesn't mean i Fail by your standards & judgement
I never said you fail. I recommend re-reading without emotion/bias.
You made the claim that in your provided example the person did everything as per Quran, but on the contrary, he failed as he did not regard the marriage tie as a solemn/strong oath/contract. Unless you take "strong/solemn" to mean something that can be temporary, superficial, opportunistic, disingenuous etc.
In any case, I have updated the link to include
2235 And there is no sin upon you if you openly propose marriage to the women, or you keep it between yourselves. God knows that you will be thinking about them, but do not meet them secretly, unless you have something righteous to say. And do not finalize the marriage contract until the book interim is reached. And know that God knows what is in your souls, so be aware of Him, and know that God is Forgiving, Compassionate.
2237 And if you divorce them before having sexual intercourse with them, but you have already set the dowry for them; then you must give half of what you have agreed, unless they forgive or the guardian over the marriage contract forgives. And if you forgive, it is closer to righteousness. And do not forget the favor between you; God is Seer of what you do.
Another fail for your example.
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We are judged by our intentions, one may fool all of mankind but not Allah.
God bless
Peace Kamenriderkiki.
When you talk about subjects like these, you need to be aware of one very important factor
YOUR INTENTION.
What are your intentions? Do you respect men/women? Are you honest? Are you after the interest of both? Do you love one another and want to commit? etc...
These are very important questions to be asked before you look at what is allowed and so on...
If you notice in Qoran, when GOD talks about this subject He adds ( for example)
"GOD is fully cognisant of what you do"
"GOD knows everything you conceal and everything you reveal"
"..that you may succeed" ...etc.What do all these mean? Simply that you may fool people but you cannot fool GOD!
So what is your intention? To have one girlfriend or many girlfriends? Then why not marry to be safe?
You see your question becomes irrelevant. What do you want really from a girlfriend/boyfriend,should be the point?
Qoran s advice is clear . See for yourself what it says, do not rely on what others say. Take it seriously as well as your relationship with the one you want to spend the rest of your life with.
GOD bless you.
Peace.We agree,
Peace kamenriderkiki it appears to me you are looking for justification for fornication. &
peace
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We agree,
Peace kamenriderkiki it appears to me you are looking for justification for fornication. &
peace
Nah just wanted to know what you guys think that's all peace
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As per 4.21 sex is the holy realtion before God, it calls it mithaq ghalith, (tremendous Pact) same as He calls His pacts with the prophets. If you cheat on that and take it as a consumption good or with no intention to hnour it, as they have told you already, you may cheat others, including yourself, but you will not hceat God, and it is not any pact, like swaring anything, which is serious enough, but a pact that God himself call trmendous pact,, jast as those God himself contracts.
People play with sex, cheat with sex, but they are not conscious that they are setting traps for their souls. It is not marriage that sanctifies sex, but sex what makes of a relationship male-female something holy. What happens when people trample on holy things? The papers, the public promises and and swearing before witnesses are not the marriage. The marriage is what they do with the divine gift of their ability to create life, that is what is the subject of a mithaq ghalith. The rest is there for guaranty to society that they will not betray that pact.
Salaam
Salaam
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As per 4.21 sex is the holy realtion before God, it calls it mithaq ghalith, (tremendous Pact) same as He calls His pacts with the prophets. If you cheat on that and take it as a consumption good or with no intention to hnour it, as they have told you already, you may cheat others, including yourself, but you will not hceat God, and it is not any pact, like swaring anything, which is serious enough, but a pact that God himself call trmendous pact,, jast as those God himself contracts.
People play with sex, cheat with sex, but they are not conscious that they are setting traps for their souls. It is not marriage that sanctifies sex, but sex what makes of a relationship male-female something holy. What happens when people trample on holy things? The papers, the public promises and and swearing before witnesses are not the marriage. The marriage is what they do with the divine gift of their ability to create life, that is what is the subject of a mithaq ghalith. The rest is there for guaranty to society that they will not betray that pact.
Salaam
Salaam
Someone give this guy a cookie! What an amazing reply! hail
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Yeah it's similar to today's marriage that we all know so i don't really see much of a difference between a GF/BF relationship and today's marriage both of them are the same in my opinion just different names
Isn't it like today's marriage requires a license?
Peace Kamenriderkiki.
When you talk about subjects like these, you need to be aware of one very important factor
YOUR INTENTION.
What are your intentions? Do you respect men/women? Are you honest? Are you after the interest of both? Do you love one another and want to commit? etc...
These are very important questions to be asked before you look at what is allowed and so on...
If you notice in Qoran, when GOD talks about this subject He adds ( for example)
"GOD is fully cognisant of what you do"
"GOD knows everything you conceal and everything you reveal"
"..that you may succeed" ...etc.What do all these mean? Simply that you may fool people but you cannot fool GOD!
So what is your intention? To have one girlfriend or many girlfriends? Then why not marry to be safe?
You see your question becomes irrelevant. What do you want really from a girlfriend/boyfriend,should be the point?
Qoran s advice is clear . See for yourself what it says, do not rely on what others say. Take it seriously as well as your relationship with the one you want to spend the rest of your life with.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Exactly, I am in full agreement with this. Its the intention that matters. I don't support random relationships. Its no different from playing with fire.
So sexual activity in a Boyfriend-girlfriend relationship is okay???
Some things to ponder on
Think about your future child. Would you accept if they do it especially if the child is a female?Would you like it if a guy gets into relationship with her but doesn't give her the status of a wife?
And the last, would you agree to go in a partnership business without signing a contract? Without papers showing who you are in the company?
