The "Difference between Messengers/Prophets" .
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Peace be upon you Marie,
There is NO LIFE without the male and female principle. Humans have within them what is referred to as the LIFE FORCE. Some call it bio kenetic energy or all kinds of names. Chinese call it "chi", Hindus "kundalini", christians call it "holy spirit" (but don't really know what it means), this reading calls it "ruh ul qudus", etc.
It is the ENERGY that moves ALL THINGS, that POWERS all things. NOthing happens without it.
Sperm is the transfer of this ENERGY.
In the case of Dolly, instead of sperm being the MALE PRINCIPLE, the scientist used ANOTHER SOURCE OF ENERGY. Yes, not from a species with the male GENDER, but still from the MALE PRINCIPLE.
Here is a clear color diagram of the process
http//science.howstuffworks.com/cloning3.htm
Sorry dear sister, but there is no getting around the God's Law.
Energy(M)+ Matter(F) = Life
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salams all,
i see the main problem here is that you have to realize that there is a linguistic context meaning and then a quranic context meaning. The linguistic meaning is a literal meaning of a word, and the Quranic meaning (of course based on the linguistic meaning) is the context and connection with which that word has been used throughout the Quran.
To take the word wahi, or rasool, or nabi, purely OUTSIDE the context of the Quran, take its pure linguistic meaning and then form all sorts of ideas based on that, will lead to grave misunderstandings.
yes in the general linguistic sense wahi can mean ANY inspiration.. but I think you all know full well that I am referring SPECIFICALLY to the direct conscious communication of knowledge that Allah can give to people of his choosing, such as the words contained in the Quran. THAT is what i meant when i said wahi.
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Peace all,
Some receive the inspiration from the God and some receive it from the human and Jinn devils (6 112, 121)
- We have permitted the enemies of every prophet, human and Jinn devils, to inspire (yoohee) in each other with fancy words in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications.
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Peace be upon you all,
Yes, there are two sources of attraction that send inspiration, therefore we must always weigh evidence properly, or else "shayteen" will inspire us that sticks turn to snakes and that the God is only interested in communicating to selected exclusive individuals in the past, and only in the Middle East. D
If we are not careful, we can be inspired that we are not capable of reaching a level where we can follow the EXAMPLES of the prophets.
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Peace,
"shayteen" has any strength on us because the Reading explains itself. If we follow the explanation given inside the Reading, we cannot misunderstood the God's words.
Do we need to explain the concept of salat, sawm, zakat, sujood, rukooAA...?
The response is No and this is valid for each word of the Reading.Let us the God explains His words through His words D
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peace .
two important verses that i left out of my initial post351 Praise be to Allah, the Creator of the heavens and the earth, who
appointeth the angels messengers...3428 And We have not sent thee (O Muhammad) save as a bringer of
good tidings and a warner unto all mankind; but most of mankind
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Peace All,
I think 4251 sums it up nicely
It is not fitting for a man that God should speak to him except by inspiration, or from behind a veil, or by the sending of a messenger to reveal, with God's permission, what God wills for He is Most High, Most Wise.
Wama kana libasharin an yukallimahu Allahu illa wahyan aw min wara-i hijabin aw yursila rasoolan fayoohiya bi-ithnihi ma yashao innahu AAaliyyun hakeemun
Here we see 3 ways that God communicates with man
(1) Inspiration
(2) From behind a veil/barrier
(3) Through a messengerIn my opinion, wahy through inspiration is found when we are clear of worldly thought and bias. Wahy from behind a veil/barrier is found when we witness nature. And the 3rd form of wahy is self-evident, although, I think one still needs to be free of preconceptions and wordly thought and bias to be able to pick up on this form of wahy through a messenger.
Peace,
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Peace Tay,
I think 4251 sums it up nicely
Here we see 3 ways that God communicates with man
(1) Inspiration
(2) From behind a veil/barrier
(3) Through a messengerI think the God communicated with Moses behind a non physical veil/barrier because when the God revealed Himself to the mountain, He caused it to crumble (7143)
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Peace Marie,
You stated
I think the God communicated with Moses behind a non physical veil/barrier because when the God revealed Himself to the mountain, He caused it to crumble (7143)
I've thought about this also. What steers me away, however, is that Moses was in fact a messenger. Hence, his wahy was revealed to him through the 3rd avenue of revelation, as stated in 4251..."or by the sending of a messenger to reveal, with God's permission, what God wills"
Peace,
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Salam Tay,
I've thought about this also. What steers me away, however, is that Moses was in fact a messenger. Hence, his wahy was revealed to him through the 3rd avenue of revelation, as stated in 4251..."or by the sending of a messenger to reveal, with God's permission, what God wills"
Moses talked to the God (2253), that doesn't exclude other ways of revelation (452).
- Such messengers, We have preferred some over others; some of them talked to God, and He raised some of them in rank, and We gave Jesus son of Mary the proofs and We supported him with the holy spirit. And had God wished, the people after them would not have fought after the proofs had come to them, but they disputed, some of them believed and some of them disbelieved. Had God wished they would not have fought, but God does whatever He wishes.
The prophet Muhammad received His wahy (26192) through the trusted Spirit (26193), I don't think that he receided it only through this way.
Below is an example
- God said ?O Jesus, I will let you die, and raise you to Me, and cleanse you of those who have rejected, and make those who have followed you above those who rejected until the Day of Resurrection; then to Me is your return so I will judge between all of you in what it was that you disputed.?
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Peace Marie,
You stated,
Moses talked to the God (2253), that doesn't exclude other ways of revelation (452).
I agree. Although, I don't see the connection to 452.
I think what is important is in 4251, we are told that God does not talk to man except by inspiration, or from behind a veil, or by the sending of a messenger
What I gather is that man and messenger here are seperated, and man indeed is capable of 'talking" to God.
Peace,
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Peace Tay,
Moses talked to the God (2253), that doesn't exclude other ways of revelation (452).
I agree. Although, I don't see the connection to 452.
The connection to 452 is that Moses is more than a mortal man like the other messengers.
I think what is important is in 4251, we are told that God does not talk to man except by inspiration, or from behind a veil, or by the sending of a messenger
What I gather is that man and messenger here are seperated, and man indeed is capable of 'talking" to God.
The human beings who speak to the God by inspiration, or behind a veil or through a messenger are more than a mortal human being messenger like Muhammad, Isa, Moses, Salih, Nooh...
379 Never would a human being, whom Allah has blessed with the Scripture, Wisdom and Prophethood, say to people, ?Be servants of me instead of Allah.? Instead he would say, ?Become men of God by spreading the knowledge of the Scripture and the teachings you learn there from.?
4251 And it is not for any human being that Allah will speak to him other than through direct Revelation (on the heart of His Messengers) or from behind a barrier (such as at Mount Sinai to Moses) or by sending a Messenger to convey His Words with His Permission (as all Messengers did). Verily, He is the Most High, the Wise.
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Peace Marie,
452 It is they whom Allah has rejected, and there is no one to help whom Allah rejects.
Please, forgive my ignorance, but how, exactly, does this connect to "Moses is more than a mortal man like the other messengers."
The human beings who speak to the God by inspiration, or behind a veil or through a messenger are more than a mortal human being messenger like Muhammad, Isa, Moses, Salih, Nooh...
So there are messengers, and people who are more than messengers?
Doesn't the Qur'an tell us that all messengers were merely people who had to eat and sleep like the rest of us?Peace,
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Peace Tay,
So there are messengers, and people who are more than messengers?
No.
Sometimes, I say the opposite of my thought ops
I rephrase my statement Moses is anything other than a human messenger.Doesn't the Qur'an tell us that all messengers were merely people who had to eat and sleep like the rest of us?
.Exactly )
This is why the God speaks about them as human beings whom He blessed by His revelation through several ways.
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Peace Marie,
I understand that English is not your native tongue. Please allow me to correct you based on what I think you're expressing
"Moses is anything other than a human messenger."
this should be stated as
"Moses is nothing more than a human messenger"
or, more succintly
"Moses is a human messenger"
This is why the God speaks about them as human beings whom He blessed by His revelation through several ways.
This is where we differ. 4251 addresses "messengers" as one way mankind receives wahy. The other 2 ways are through inspiration and from behind a barrier.
If 4251 was only addressing messengers, then that would entail other messengers who deliver the messages to the messengers.
This does not make sense to me.
Do you know of any examples where a messenger received wahy by way of another messenger? This would help matters.
Peace,
Tay