The Paris massacre - Silence as always
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Does it say wash your face with your own hands?
"O you who have believed, when you rise to prayer, wash your faces and your forearms to the elbows and wipe over your heads and wash your feet to the ankles. And if you are in a state of janabah, then purify yourselves. But if you are ill or on a journey or one of you comes from the place of relieving himself or you have contacted women and do not find water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and hands with it. Allah does not intend to make difficulty for you, but He intends to purify you and complete His favor upon you that you may be grateful" 56
Nick does not have forearms, elbows or feet. Nick is therefore deprived from performing salat since you MUST have forearms, elbows and feet to perform this nameless cleaning ritual before rising for salat. There is no mention of physically disabled people when it comes to salat in the Quran. Quran only talks of having a functioning mind so you know what you're saying.
"O you who believe, do not approach the Salat while intoxicated, until you know what you are saying." 443
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?Not equal are those of the believers who sit , except those who are disabled, and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives.? (495)
?no person shall have a burden laid on him greater than he can bear? (2286).
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Invalid777 you say this " And what on earth has rubbing soil got to do with this so called cleaning ritual? Why is no name given to it? Please rub some soil on your face and tell me if it makes your face shine clean."
Maybe here lies your answer http//www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2646748/Hogwash-Yes-Meet-man-showered-12-years-instead-sprays-bacteria-hes-collected-pigsty-cowshed-chicken-coop-clean.html
and to be more precise"For the last 12 years he has sprayed himself with AOB that he has collected from soil in the pigsty, cowshed and chicken coop of an organic farm."
Peace.
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?Not equal are those of the believers who sit , except those who are disabled, and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives.? (495)
?no person shall have a burden laid on him greater than he can bear? (2286).
Verse 495 has nothing to do with salat or the nameless cleaning rituals. Provide a verse telling disable people on how to perform "wudu" or a physical salat for people like Nick. Every human with a sound mind can perform salat. Verse 56 contradicts this. Nick needs limbs to perform "wudu" and a physical salat.
If verse 56 is true, then it directly contradicts 2286. Nick is told by 56 to wash is arms, elbows and feet. Nick also needs limbs to perform a physical ritual called salat and not just a sound and functioning mind. Quran provides NO EXPLANATION on how disabled people perform the nameless cleaning ritual and physical salat.
This can only mean two things. Either the interpretation of 56 is false or disabled people are deprived from performing "wudu" and a physical salat. There isn't even a detailed explanation on how to perform a physical salat for healthy individuals in the Quran.Allah is fair and just. Allah gives every human, disabled or not, the ability to do salat. Salat is not a physical ritual. Everyone can do it, anytime and anywhere.
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Invalid777 you say this " And what on earth has rubbing soil got to do with this so called cleaning ritual? Why is no name given to it? Please rub some soil on your face and tell me if it makes your face shine clean."
Maybe here lies your answer http//www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2646748/Hogwash-Yes-Meet-man-showered-12-years-instead-sprays-bacteria-hes-collected-pigsty-cowshed-chicken-coop-clean.html
and to be more precise"For the last 12 years he has sprayed himself with AOB that he has collected from soil in the pigsty, cowshed and chicken coop of an organic farm."
Peace.
Here's a challenge mmmm. Since you strongly support the interpretation of 56. Go out, grab a handful of soil, wipe it on your face and tell me how clean your face will shine.
http//www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Tough+Bloke+Challenge+QNbjgU7xQjHl.jpgThis man looks clean, doesn't he?
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Here's a challenge mmmm. Since you strongly support the interpretation of 56. Go out, grab a handful of soil, wipe it on your face and tell me how clean your face will shine.
http//www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Tough+Bloke+Challenge+QNbjgU7xQjHl.jpgThis man looks clean, doesn't he?
Tayammum is a DRY ablution brother. Your analogy of this guy with mud over his face isn't accurate. Even animals can clean themselves effectively using dry sand.
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Tayammum is a DRY ablution brother. Your analogy of this guy with mud over his face isn't accurate. Even animals can clean themselves effectively using dry sand.
Where can I find dry sand here in London? New York? Alaska? Quran is a guide for every human. Not just someone living in the Middle East or in a beach.
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There's plenty of dry earth abound in London and New York what you talking about bro.
http//i.imgur.com/9PQBA3A.jpg
Britain is over two thirds Inceptisols. This is what it looks like.
http//www.cals.uidaho.edu/soilorders/i/Alf_02b.jpgAnd this is what beach sand looks like in Britain.
https//www.travelnation.co.uk/sites/default/files/styles/780x520/public/brighton_beach_turns_to_sand2.jpg?itok=S3q7VcJmUnless you live near a beach, there's no way you can clean yourself with dry earth. The soil here does NOT clean you. It makes you dirtier, not cleaner. Unless of course, you want to look like a tramp.
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Hello,
Supposedly you can find dry sand to use to wipe a surface of the body in order to remove dirt, but I wonder about its deeper cleansing properties?
Even if you are careful, does it not leave particles of dirt (the sand) on your skin?
Ah well, everything people do to defend some silly rituals.
Be safe
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But at least middle eastern people is also not excluded from the Qur'an are they?
And sand, after water is not such scarce commodity aftera all anywhere.
Salaam
The same scum who hijacked the Quran came from that part of the world. Every interpretation of the Quran seems to go their way. It's no wonder it tells you to wipe dry soil to clean yourself. Dry soil isn't available everywhere. Every human should move to a beach or the Middle East.
Also, the stone cube in Mecca. Imagine living in Hawaii in the 7th century and being told to go for hajj. You'd die before you even reached Mecca. Yet we're told that Allah doesn't wish hardship on us. Quran only seems to benefit Middle Easterners.
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Also, the stone cube in Mecca. Imagine living in Hawaii in the 7th century and being told to go for hajj. You'd die before you even reached Mecca. Yet we're told that Allah doesn't wish hardship on us. Quran only seems to benefit Middle Easterners.
Back then, the middle easterners doesn't even aware that Hawaii or even pacific ocean exist )
They didn't even aware the entire size of the earth, they think the earth is flat.
If they do, they will address that properly and wrote more careful and properly well thought verses when they were compiling the Quran. -
If they do, they will address that properly and wrote more careful and properly well thought verses when they were compiling the Quran.
Or they do not even write anything but just say the verses say something else instead, like they did the first time.
Be safe
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Or they do not even write anything but just say the verses say something else instead, like they did the first time.
Be safe
AmenuelI would say there are OTHER VERSES who said something else.
The "pattern" is quite common to be found in the bible bundle, gospel and quran.
I don't believe all or any of them are 100% "Godly inspired".
Human with their vested interest always tried to add something.. or delete something (which not suitable to their own liking)Yet the are 'defense mechanism' from 'human manipulation'.. consist of two layers.
1st layer is inside the entire bundle itself, that's why there are conflicting verses.. one said A the other said B which makes A illogical.
2nd layer is outside of the bundle itself, that's by comparing the statement of the verse with known facts / reality.
There is no such thing as "Final Revelation" or "Revelation has ended".
Revelation is a continuing process up until now..
As time progress, human knows more, being revealed more by their Maintainer..
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The "pattern" is quite common to be found in the bible bundle, gospel and quran.
I don't believe all or any of them are 100% "Godly inspired".
Human with their vested interest always tried to add something.. or delete something (which not suitable to their own liking)It is not utterly important, because the conveyed information, what you become taught in form of pedagogy and psychology is more important than Quran as a "law book" and a book of threats as the mainstream interpretation, but the people you mention did not have to bother writing anything because with Quran they just took a finished compilation and then interpreted at their own will.
You can learn everything there is to know about faith from the Biblical Gospels without even touching Quran, but the most important is that you improve your own spirituality in pace with it. And if you are truly looking, you could get your answers without any scripture, but you only have to open your mind. Some kind of background information can aid a person's cause though, excluding the biased interpretations. I call the Biblical Gospels better as guidance than Quran as usually interpreted.
People should ditch the religious doctrines and get the point that Mr. Jesus tried to make instead, i.e. that people should shun the World and "Satan". Satan is easy to logically deduce to be the instinct if they read Jesus' responses. Jesus was teaching about "separation of the Spirit from the Flesh" which is easy to understand with a little insight. The faith is closer to East Asian faiths than your typical Abrahamic faiths with excessive worship.
There is no such thing as "Final Revelation" or "Revelation has ended".
Revelation is a continuing process up until now..Quran does not say anything about final revelation or whatever. It does claim to be a manifestation. Isaiah speaks of it in Isaiah 816 and it is referred to as a record containing a sealed instruction when it has been "folded", among a lot of riddle-like passages that I have worked on interpreting.
Jesus was also reading from some source which they were astonished with his interpretation. Quran is a similar phenomenon. It was part of a prophecy. People who are already familiar could throw Quran behind their back because Quran confirms a Buddhist/Gnostic lifestyle a'la Jesus. Popular Judaism, Islam (which is however a form of Judaism) and Christianity missed the point in what the prophets taught. Judaism, aka Islam, did not even accept what Jesus taught and had "forgotten" what Moses REALLY taught ("I am who I am" should ring a bell). In fact Islam can be said to be "the empire strikes back" due to Gnostic ideals and early Christianity which drowned either by persecution of the Roman Empire or the Muslim barbarians with Persian clerics backing it all up. People were not allowed to associate themselves with God as is the greatest sin in Pharisee Judaism and this is what happened after John the Baptist and Jesus. Jesus taught people "to be in the Father and the Father in them" (i.e. no separation of God necessary). That caused the Pharisee (Pagan) Rabbis to boil.
Revelation can indeed continue also today 2015. I have heard "Quran has never been interpreted. Islam is not My religion" (without joking), among other things. God's presence is not restricted to 600-700 AD if that is what people think.
As time progress, human knows more, being revealed more by their Maintainer..
Thus falsehood (on any sources) shall be exposed...Yes definitely. Exposing Quran is exactly what I am devoted to right now, by its own revelation.
How Quran has turned out to be has made the Biblical Gospels much more authentic because Quran confirms the Gospels which came earlier, i.e. the model of spirituality and the "To be Who Is is to be Such Who is" in "I am in the Father and the Father in me" manner.
Be safe
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But at least middle eastern people is also not excluded from the Qur'an are they?
And sand, after water is not such scarce commodity aftera all anywhere.
Salaam
I don't even know what the contention is here, I kind of tuned in and out intermittently.
I live the in the UK Invalid777 and you can get dry earth in London. Your chart is all well and fancy but the earth in the UK really isn't that different to the earth in Turkey, Iraq, Morocco, Greece, USA - think we have a classic case of nitpicking.
What is the argument here? That the Qur'an is being stupid asking for people to make tayammum?