How sex before Marriage is not haram (prohibited) according to the Quran
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excellent work @ reel
Thank you brother )
Without realizing it, you are following imam Shafi'i's claim and official formulation that every single verse in the Qur'an is timeless, universal and must be literally applied in every region of the world and under all cirumstances. Prior to imam Shafi'i, nobody ever claimed such a thing; not even the prophet himself or any of his closest friends.
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On the contrary, I gave the example of Omar who didn't follow the verse in the Qur'an about booty because if he applied that verse it would have been "injust" in that situation. Someone who had spent years with the prophet and knew him well surely knew what he was doing.
Because somewhere in hadiths which basically are rumors, gossips, political propaganda, results of revenge etc someone said why he did not apply the booty verse, we should think "oh, the law is so unjust".
Things don't work that way here. I think you should raise your point in sunniforum.
Slavery continued in the Muslim world and elsewhere in the world, including the West until the 19th century. Unfortunately, it was not Muslims who abolished slavery but westerners. How sad.
How could you expect Muslims from corrupted sectarian Islam to do such thing? It is not permissible to break away from hadiths, one of which says the Prophet was selling his slave.
Very true, because the Qur'an is not a book of law. The Qur'an also doesn't have a verse on punishing rapists, does that mean that rape is fine, or that God forgot to punish rape? There is also not a punishment for homosexuality - is homosexuality fine, or less of a crime than heterosexual activity? There is also not a single verse on bestiality, does that mean sex with animals is acceptable, or not such a big deal? The truth is, punishments for thieves, adulterers, murderers etc. etc. were never meant as literal, universal and timeless laws to be applied everywhere. Nor is the Qur'an a book of economics, warfare, politics, science, sociology or anything else. The Qur'an doesn't talk about tanks and planes; it talks about camels and horses, but we don't see Muslims waging war with horses and camels anymore. Nobody is applying those verses about horses and camels in the Qur'an literally.
The Qur'an does not have verses on punishing internet crimes and thousands of other issues are never even mentioned. That is why you can only get inspiration from the Qur'an, nothing in the Qur'an was meant to be applied literally and universally in every corner of the world. Besides, the Qur'an is Arabic, Bolivians never had a Qur'an. If Arabs were born in South America they too would have never known about the Qur'an or believed in it.
Does American constitution have them? Nope. But it is used as a roadmap to make laws in fair manner. That is the point.
If following the Qur'an literally was so important for God, if it literally meant eternal Heaven or Hellfire, He could and definitely would have sent Qur'ans in all languages to all the peoples of the world, which He hasn't. But this is perhaps not entirely relevant to the issue we were discussing.
And in which verse God says Quran is the first true and only Book from God?
All Muslims, without knowing, follow the much later formulation of Shafi'i that the Qur'an is, in its enterity, universal, timeless and must be followed to the letter at all times, which nobody ever does or did even in the 7th century during caliph Omar's rule who was one of the prophet's closest companions.
Peace peace
I don't think you are getting our view. To know where we are coming from feel free to check http//ancientmodernislam.blogspot.com/2016/03/how-do-sects-and-hadiths-look-when.html
http//muslimsforallah.com/new-quranists-what-should-you-expect/ -
if someone said a sex outside marriage is not haram (degenerating you and no god and human punishment?)
then ask them,
1.so is it okay to have an un transgressed incest sex with your sister/brother or your parents
because we are not married to them.2.is it okay to have multi sex (threesome etc)
3.if the one woman get pregnant after doing threesome, how you detrrmind the father of that child,
because in the future this child of threesome sex might meet a girl or boy which is his/her own brother and they might get married as an inchest4.is it okay to have incest marriage
and in biology inchest will bring a degenerated genetic of human
my belief is,
- marriage is an oath to make sex legal between two party man and woman
2.and an oath must have a witness, minimum is four
3.a marriage oath cannot be done in secreet
4.having boy friend n girl friend n flirting is permissable IF they have a plan to get married at first, and they cannot transgress
5.its not talking about slave but talking to have sex with your right hand (masturbation)
6.and masturbating other person outside marriage got half punishment
7.covering your reproduction, ask animal why they didnt cover it
"be higer human, dont downgrade ur self as an animal
the distinction of human and animal is on their brain thinking mind
dnot only follow your desire of animal part without brain,
by doing sex outside marriage, polygamy, incest
if u have mind but acting like animal, you are defenerating ur self lower than animal"may god bless us and make us into higer being to the higer heaven nirvana
- marriage is an oath to make sex legal between two party man and woman
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one more, god tell us an oath of transaction and deal must be written
human is an animal being with higer way of thingking by using their brain, the more you get lose from this animal body the better, thats why higer intellectual people prefer abstain from sex,
and people with higer knowledge got more higer degree in god sight
polygamy, drunk, gamble, not covering ur body part especialy your jewelry n your genitals
is not prohibited
but those things will degenerated you as human, even prophet want to avoid it -
5.its not talking about slave but talking to have sex with your right hand (masturbation)
peace brother,
some people are left handed yes
whats about them
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QURAN is just a tips books, and a happy info from god the most good n most evil, its just a tips how things work in this harsh dimension of universe, how lion kill and eat lamb, but ballance is a good thing in believer perspective, there will be no good without evil, now chose animal human,
and who follow hadist is a man without knowledge, may god give them hidayah
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peace brother,
some people are left handed yes
whats about them
use ur right hand mean self masturbation is halal
"use what ur body posesed with those sex desire"
your foot or your own mouth or use vibrator, easy
or hold and abstain from it like higer human woth knowledge
until you got money to pay dowry or if ur lover doesent need any dowry -
right hand batsman & left hand batsman(cricket)
right hand rule (physics)
right hand traffic & left hand traffic(transport)some right handers play with left hand ,,, and some lleft handed played with right hand... its a strange classification..
even in tradition people who eat with right hand and wipe their (dirt) with left hand considered as righteous people..
but again when i see a lefty is in situation and every time he eat with left hand people say him things... (its was illogical).. -
your foot or your own mouth
hahahahahaha
for this a person must be expert in gymnastic...
specially the mouth one is impossible... rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl
btw did you try it...?
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hahhaa
which you prefer doing the masturbation with?anyway its not about a slave,
how can right hand posses mean a slave??
which is closer meaning?
right hand posses = doing sex with ur own body part which possesed the sex desire
right hand posses = your slave -
slave is a poor defination ,
look this thread for more insight...
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9609341.0
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hahhaa
which you prefer doing the masturbation with?its a secret , i dnt really want to share my recepies with somebody else police
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exactly, brother you are right..
keeping a convo clean best way is to use surf excel...
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hahahah yeah i know, but
openess is better in scientific matter and spiritual and belief which is about frankness
like science, quran is about science of how this universe works
but let me jst say sorry if any of u grt offendedright hand posses = body part which posses (the sex desire)
its more logical because those ayat is talking about the sex with
and posses = mean the sex desire which the ayat is talking about
right hand = mean body partthat translation is better n more logical for the whole ayat
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brother you can drive whatever meanings you want .. this book is open for exploring new ideas...
i want to add something in your discussion , the right hand posess thing is also well understood in the sense of that thing which come from your own body as the result of sex drive..
so its belong to you , if you wasted it its not a big deal... (i can understand your part)
but i want to add one more thing.. whats about the sex with doll(artifical)... its third catagory now...
and are two people allowed to use same doll for sex? -
brother you can drive whatever meanings you want .. this book is open for exploring new ideas...
i want to add something in your discussion , the right hand posess thing is also well understood in the sense of that thing which come from your own body as the result of sex drive..
so its belong to you , if you wasted it its not a big deal... (i can understand your part)
but i want to add one more thing.. whats about the sex with doll(artifical)... its third catagory now...
and are two people allowed to use same doll for sex?lets just say a guy have it with robot doll
as long those robot moved by it self or by your self and
no other person control it
its considered as your body part,tools you posses or control is ur body part
like sword that you hold is considered as ur bodypartif two guys use that robot, than it men those robot is their each bodypart
and these verse tell us its okay to use what ur part posses,
tools become ur body part/possesed when u hold itso as long u have it by ur self, theres no prohibition on that
dont use that bodypart tool with other person together/simultanouslythat what i belief
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lets just say a guy have it with robot doll
as long those robot moved by it self or by your self and
no other person control it
its considered as your body part,tools you posses or control is ur body part
like sword that you hold is considered as ur bodypartif two guys use that robot, than it men those robot is their each bodypart
and these verse tell us its okay to use what ur part posses,
tools become ur body part/possesed when u hold itso as long u have it by ur self, theres no prohibition on that
dont use that bodypart tool with other person together/simultanouslythat what i belief
hmm so same right handed robots are rightfully yours if you buy them...
but if a friend want to take favor he can also use that robot... that what you try to say...
in case of animals , what you rightfully own , are we allowed to do sex with them? we even kill them for eating so why not do sex with them for sex satisfaction? (i want your views on it)
RED nobody can do it brother.. which world you are living in... is it really possible... o
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hmm so same right handed robots are rightfully yours if you buy them...
but if a friend want to take favor he can also use that robot... that what you try to say...
in case of animals , what you rightfully own , are we allowed to do sex with them? we even kill them for eating so why not do sex with them for sex satisfaction? (i want your views on it)
RED nobody can do it brother.. which world you are living in... is it really possible... o
first thing first, god did not prohibit polygamy, divorce, gamble, geting drunk, or masturbation
because some people say its haram by god,but god didnt say its haram
god jst say theres a huge lost u can get from doing that,
which will degenerate ur degree as human beingwait a second i give example, sword u hold n control at ur hand is considered ur body part,
its not about who is buying or own those thing, its a matter who use or control it = thats what i mean by "posses" it, like ghost "posses" a beingand animal? could you really or the one who control or "posess" the animal?
horse? do you control horse and consider that animal as ur body part?btw its not a car, insted u could have sex with a car u control/possess if u want to hehe
RED its about the future a robot doll, or a doll with two hole
you can buy it, but you prohibited to use it together with other people at the same time
because quran answear all things, past, present or future -
first thing first, god did not prohibit polygamy, divorce, gamble, geting drunk, or masturbation
because some people say its haram by god,but god didnt say its haram
god jst say theres a huge lost u can get from doing that,
which will degenerate ur degree as human beingwait a second i give example, sword u hold n control at ur hand is considered ur body part,
its not about who is buying or own those thing, its a matter who use or control it = thats what i mean by "posses" it, like ghost "posses" a beingand animal? could you really or the one who control or "posess" the animal?
horse? do you control horse and consider that animal as ur body part?btw its not a car, insted u could have sex with a car u control/possess if u want to hehe
RED its about the future a robot doll, or a doll with two hole
you can buy it, but you prohibited to use it together with other people at the same time
because quran answear all things, past, present or futurehaving a sex with car is recommended . ok i got it...
and about future , we dnt know what is gona happen in near future ... (lets talk about present)yes you control the horse when you , pull his left chain for taking left turn and right for right turn..
yes horse in in your possession and control... (by the will of God)
even the modern engines in cars are also built through horse power engine measurements ( seems horse is not an ordinary animal)
yes you rightfully own your horse /animals
you can kill them for eat, ride them for transport... and why dnt you just have a sex with them thats what i ask according to your own given logic... ( try to give me answer this time just yes or no)apart from that...
polygamy, divorce, gamble, geting drunk, or masturbation
in this list add more thing which are not haram like
lie
dishonesty
cheating
swaering
assaultinglist is bit long ...
but we differentiate things with morality and immorality...
like the way you are discussing is consider as immoral discussion... why immoral becoz some womens are in forum too so for the sake of their respect you need to hold the moralities ..
but yeh for getting knowledge you can aks the questions in immoral way its not haram/prohibted...
people usually consider the word haram as something extra apart from law...
haram is a synonym of a prohibtion or restriction...
in that sense a lie can be haram too
cheating can be haram too
dishonesty can b haram too
disloyalty can be haram too...depend on how you look the word "haram"
if you want to discuss the word haram we can talk in relevant thread instead of going offtopic...
