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  • The_SardarT Offline
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    The_Sardar
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    #182

    I also think that it would be awesome if the Quran translation would have the Arabic text and transliteration

    Like Quranix.org?

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      Rilum
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      1115 On her neck (fi jdih&#257 will be a rope of thorns.

      It must be "in" her jdih.

      Aanaq is used for neck, see for example 3833.

      Maybe the noun comes from the root Jada and means something like uterus

      jada= cut off a thing, "to be new", to become fortunate or possessed of good fortune, to be great or of great dignity or estimation, to be serious or in earnest, to strive/labour/toil/exert oneself, to feel distressed or afflicted, to drip or let fall drops (a house or tent, Bayt), make stripes of different colors in a garment, to contend with another respecting a thing, relinquish or forsake, "to originate or innovate a thing",

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        Rilum
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        #184

        Yes, but with the corpus quran transliteration style. This kind of quran and a book of the project root list would be a great english Quran study tool

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          The_Sardar
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          #185

          Yes, but with the corpus quran transliteration style. This kind of quran and a book of the project root list would be a great english Quran study tool

          That would be interesting.

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            Rilum
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            1051 Did you not note what your Lord did to the companions of the
            elephant(l-fli)?

            I think in this Sura Luts People are meant. Maybe fl means here weakness or erroneous view.

            Root fa-ya-lam

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            1 , aor. , (S, M, O, K,) inf. n. , (S,) thus in some copies of the K and in the A, (TA,) or , (M, O,) thus in other copies of the K, (TA,) and , thus in the O, but in the copies of the K , (TA,) His judgment, or opinion, was weak, (S, M, O, K,) and erroneous; (M, K as also ; (M, Z, K, TA and he was incorrect in his judgment, or opinion; and occurs in a trad. as meaning (TA) and one says, , (T, M, K, TA,) the last word like , (TA, ) and , (M, K, TA,) meaning a weakness. (TA.) -A2- And signifies also He (a man) magnified himself, and became like the elephant ( or he showed a morose aspect (TA) [or it may so signify IAar cites the following verse ?
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              Layth
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              Salam Rilum,

              Here are some of the corrections as suggested in your posts

              1111 Condemned are the hands of the firebrand; condemned.
              1112 His money will not avail him, nor what he has earned.
              1113 He will be sent to a flaming fire.
              1114 And his wife who carries the logs.
              1115 Within her elegance, is a rope of thorns.

              748 Then, when the piercing sound is made.

              2710 & 2831

              This is a bit tricky as "Jaan" is Arabic and using it would not render a viable meaning (I have kept "Jinn" throughout). The only idea I can think of is to use "Jinni" for singular?

              1082 Therefore, you shall commune to your Lord, and sacrifice (in'ar).

              I see "sacrifice" as viable here, especially when looking at 2215 which also speaks of "cutting" when raising an issue to God.

              1051 Did you not note what your Lord did to the companions of the elephant(l-fli)?

              I agree with you this is most likely the people of Lot. But 'elephant' is the most viable rendition as it seems to be a symbol in the region as found in Nabataen ruins uncovered in northern Arabia.

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                Rilum
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                #188

                Salam Layth,

                1115 Why elegance and 748 why piercing sound? Why not clicked in the clicking device?

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                  7310 And be patient over what they say, and depart from them in a
                  good manner

                  I would suggest And patient over what they say and avoid(depart from them), an avoidance (departure) gracious cf Corpus Quran.

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                    43 And if you fear that you cannot be equitable to the orphans, then
                    you may marry (fa-inki&#363 those who are agreeable to you of the women two,
                    and three, and four. But if you fear you will not be fair, then only
                    one, or whom you are committed to by your oath. This is best that
                    you do not face financial hardship.

                    fa-inki means to let them marry, fa-inka would be to marry. The verb is in form 4

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                      Rilum
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                      44 And give the women their dues (aduqtihinna) willingly, and if they remit any
                      of it to you of their own will, then you may take it with good
                      feelings.

                      Shouldn't it be "their charities"?

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                        Layth
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                        #192

                        Salam,

                        1115 Why elegance and 748 why piercing sound? Why not clicked in the clicking device?

                        1115 "Jeed" is given as "the beauty of the neck in length and shape". In reading that definition, I could see the verse saying that "no matter how wonderful she looked on the outside, inside her was evil"

                        748 "Naqour" is the word given to that which pierces or causes a hole. Naqar means to "drill". and Minqar is the "beak" of a bird. For example, the woodpecker is called "Naqaar". Thus I read the sound being made for the call to J-day as one that "pierces" into the very soul of people.

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                          Layth
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                          Salam,

                          43 And if you fear that you cannot be equitable to the orphans, then
                          you may marry (fa-inki&#363 those who are agreeable to you of the women two,
                          and three, and four. But if you fear you will not be fair, then only
                          one, or whom you are committed to by your oath. This is best that
                          you do not face financial hardship.

                          fa-inki means to let them marry, fa-inka would be to marry. The verb is in form 4

                          That is not correct. InkIhu and InkAhu are simply variations of the sentence structure.

                          Look at 2221 or 422 to see "InkIhu" which is clearly "to marry"

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                            Rilum
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                            #194

                            Salam, if sound was meant then God would you use the arabic word for sound. I think the word naqour is based on a rule in Arabic grammar that any verb can be changed from its root form to describe an apparatus / tool / system by placing an Alif letter (A ) and after the second letter puts a Waw (Ou)

                            make, doers
                            calculate, calculator
                            share, divisor (also the sword is named as such)
                            gather, Collected Edition, Law (Legislation)
                            help, help system

                            What do you think about my 44 translations suggestion?

                            I think to translate it to let marry in these verses is also possible.

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                              IsaMuslim
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                              #195

                              Salaam,
                              I suggest in verses 861-2 to translate "al-tariq" in "the knocking" or "the knocking star" (like in Safi Kaskas translation), as in verse 863 it is made clear that He is talking about a star, and "knocking" and "piercing" are a correct description for a Pulsar. One of the meanings of this root is "to knock/to hammer" according to islamawakened's dictionary.
                              It is interesting, because Pulsars were discovered only in 1960s.
                              For people who want to know more details I recommend this article https//imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/science/objects/neutron_stars1.html
                              God bless you.

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                                ibn_a
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                                #196

                                Salaam Layth,

                                7228
                                So that He knows that they have delivered the messages of their Lord, and He surrounds all that is with them, and He has counted the number of all things.

                                (so as) to make manifest that they have delivered the messages of their Lord, and He surrounds all that is with them, and He has counted the number of all things.

                                From Asad translation .

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                                  IsaMuslim
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                                  #197

                                  Salaam

                                  I suggest in verse 416 to translate "wa alladhani ya`tiyaniha" from "And the two men who commit it" to "And those two who commit it" because the gender of the two is not specified, and constrains the reader in interpreting this and the previous verses in a certain way.

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                                    Layth
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                                    #198

                                    Salam,

                                    Allathani is defining gender in being 2 males (416). So the translation is correct as it stands.

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                                      Rilum
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                                      #199

                                      No it does not, IsaMuslim is right. It can also mean man and woman, not necessarily 2 men.

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                                        The_Sardar
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                                        No it does not, IsaMuslim is right. It can also mean man and woman, not necessarily 2 men.

                                        I agree wa-alladhni (&#1606 is in masculine dual relative pronoun which means both gender.

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                                          IsaMuslim
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                                          I found an interesting note supporting "two men" in the website of Joseph Islam

                                          In verse 416, the Arabic word used is 'alladhani' which is a masculine dual pronoun. Albeit, this can refer to a mixed gender group (a male and a female), it most likely refers to two men in this context. This is supported by the context of the previous verse which refers to and addresses women (415). Furthermore, some assert the duality of verse 416 as a reference to 'two guilty parties' of 415. This is also implausible given the plural context of the guilty women in verse 415, the structure of the argument of the verse and the punishment instructed. Verse 416 is also very unlikely to be a reference to illicit heterosexual relationships as this matter is firmly dealt with in verse 242. Therefore, verse 416 with the use of the dual masculine pronoun is most likely a reference to two men which is primarily supported by context.

                                          http//quransmessage.com/articles/homosexuality

                                          But I don't know if his reasoning on the context excluding it is correct; I have read other interpretations on context, such as Edip Yuksel's, that fit perfectly if considering "alladhani" the two guilty parties of 415.

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