Inheritance according to Qur?an

[Mazhar]

Noon, can you move with me step by step. You are at liberty to accept or rebut by evidence NOT by gossip.

Part-I. Definition of inheritance; Arabic Root for semantic domain of inheritance and Roots that collocate

1. Inheritance is the practice of passing on the property, movable and immovable assets, debts and obligations upon the death of an individual. The concept of inheritance is embedded in Root . Ibn Faris stated

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That it refers to the thing owned by persons which thereafter is turned towards later generation by lineage/kinship and/or for some other reason.

2. It thus denotes inheritance, transfer of sustenance to heirs called they who inherit (money, property, heritage) as an heir at the death of previous holder. They can be only those who are for the deceased plural noun (three or more) meaning kinsfolk, or beneficiaries for some other reason, like under patronage person (in common parlance adopted son). It stems from Root . According to Ibn Faris its primarily signification is

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That it leads to the perception of nearness; adjacent.

Dear can you deny these facts?

If we proceed logically we can better revisit and evaluate the accuracy of what we have been understanding. Let us learn.

[The_Sardar]

summary "all cases" shares always equal exactly 1 and never over/under!

411/4176 to the male (i.e. gender) similitude apportion the two/females
applies if at least two females are present -- never with only one/female!

https//i.postimg.cc/dQZ0cvL2/inheritance-4-11-and-4-176.jpg

Cairo, National Library qaf 47 one of oldest manuscripts dated 606-652 CE (95.4%)
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/12/handschrift/73

ch4v11-12 translation https//i.postimg.cc/CxFGJC3s/ch4v11-15.jpg

Berlin, State Library ms.or.fol. 4313 (same manuscript) dated 606-652 CE (95.4%)
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/176/handschrift/73

ch4v176 translation https//i.postimg.cc/SxwtPMV1/ch4v172-ch5v2.jpg

https//i.postimg.cc/JzrV1jWp/inheritance1.jpg

https//i.postimg.cc/tCzwm7VW/inheritance2.jpg

13 years since joining this site, only 3 verses!

peace all the best to everyone! peace

Salam/Peace Noon, i hope that does not mean you are leaving or something? By the way, i agree with you on this Inheritance issues is due to Hadith involvement of translation.

[The_Sardar]

Also Noon, these link that uses mistranslation of 411-13 are used to be debunked? Because this thread is about debunking the mistranslation the verses that the mistranslation is due to hadith influence.

[Mazhar]

Also Noon, these link that uses mistranslation of 411-13 are used to be debunked? Because this thread is about debunking the mistranslation the verses that the mistranslation is due to hadith influence.

Elaborate. where is influence of hadith on translation.

Give separate translations which you think is influenced by hadith.

This hadith mockery is a fraudulent technique to mislead people.

Come with explicit s/

[The_Sardar]

Elaborate. where is influence of hadith on translation.

Give separate translations which you think is influenced by hadith.

This hadith mockery is a fraudulent technique to mislead people.

Come with explicit s/

I sadly don't remember which hadith it was but i think it was from Bukhari. Like i said i don't remember. Sorry if my answer is not good enough.

EDIT It seems brother Noon did actually mentioned a Hadith in the first page https//sunnah.com/urn/239370

[Mazhar]

What Noon is thinking as Inheritance that were the opinion of some that has noting relevant to words of Qur'an.

Qur'an nowhere allocates 1/3 of any denominator to a son. This is what Noon avoids to talk about. Qur'an allocates half of inheritance if there is only one female in Aulad.

Qur'an separates the deceased into three categories each exclusive from other.

[Noon_waalqalami]

EDIT It seems brother Noon did actually mentioned a Hadith in the first page https//sunnah.com/urn/239370

peace, not only hadith -- horrid readings that lead to 100s of contradictions!
e.g. parents, 2 daughters contradiction! husband, 2 daughters contradiction!
ask any scholar in the world and they are clueless to allocate above correctly!

ch4v11 over two (3+) – cannot ever include two!
ch6v18 and he the subjugator over (not equal!) devotees his
ch4v176 exactly two – cannot ever be over two (3+)!

Dr. Mohamad Shahrour is the only scholar that came close
Rules of inheritance - Dr.Mohamad Shahrour (Episode.2)
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFfvjAoRpIk

ch4v11 applies only when “mixed” children while single gender i.e. solitary son/s or daughter/s always variable get the remainder after parents and/or spouses; likewise, any sole heir always gets the whole e.g. parent, spouse, offspring/child (son/s, daughter/s), sibling (brother/s, sister/s), etc.

in "all cases" the shares always equal exactly 1 and never above/under!

Cairo, National Library qaf 47 one of oldest manuscripts dated 606-652 CE (95.4%)
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/12/handschrift/73
ch4v11-12 translation https//i.postimg.cc/CxFGJC3s/ch4v11-15.jpg

Berlin, State Library ms.or.fol. 4313 (same manuscript) dated 606-652 CE (95.4%)
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/176/handschrift/73
ch4v176 translation https//i.postimg.cc/SxwtPMV1/ch4v172-ch5v2.jpg

children & siblings https//i.postimg.cc/dQZ0cvL2/inheritance-4-11-and-4-176.jpg
children & parents, kalala https//i.postimg.cc/JzrV1jWp/inheritance1.jpg
children & spouses https//i.postimg.cc/tCzwm7VW/inheritance2.jpg

[Mazhar]

ch4v11 applies only when “mixed” children while single gender i.e. solitary son/s or daughter/s always variable get the remainder after parents and/or spouses; likewise, any sole heir always gets the whole e.g. parent, spouse, offspring/child (son/s, daughter/s), sibling (brother/s, sister/s), etc.

What a stupid resolution?

And if she (your offspring) was one female; then, one-half is allocated for her.

[Noon_waalqalami]

^^^ still spamming has not figured out to allocate parents, spouse, daughter/s nope

Rules of inheritance - Dr.Mohamad Shahrour (Episode.2)
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFfvjAoRpIk

video made me think of one unresolved question
certain mixed gender children/siblings with 1 male

females multi ratio f/m distributions given 1 male

1 daughter 1.0x 11 1,1 1/2, 1/2 ... 411 and if be she one (daughter) so for her the half (1/2)
2 daughters 2.0x 12 2,1 1/4, 1/4, 1/2 ... 411 to the male similitude apportion the two females
3 daughters 1.5x 23 3,1 2/9, 2/9, 2/9, 1/3 ... 411 so if are womenfolk over two (3+) so for them third dual (2/3)
4 daughters 2.0x 12 4,1 1/6, 1/6, 1/6, 1/6, 1/3
5 daughters 2.5x 25 5,1 2/15, 2/15, 2/15, 2/15, 2/15, 1/3
6 daughters 3.0x 13 6,1 1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/3

1 sister 1.0x 11 1,1 1/2, 1/2 ... 4176 and to him (said person) sister so for her half (1/2)
2 sisters 1.0x 11 2,1 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 ... 4176 so if be dual two females so to them dual the third each (2/3)
3 sisters 2.0x 12 3,1 1/5, 1/5, 1/5, 2/5 ... 4176 so to the male similitude apportion the two females
4 sisters 2.0x 12 4,1 1/6, 1/6, 1/6, 1/6, 1/3
5 sisters 2.0x 12 5,1 1/7, 1/7, 1/7, 1/7, 1/7, 2/7
6 sisters 2.0x 12 6,1 1/8, 1/8, 1/8, 1/8, 1/8, 1/8, 1/4

the question is do above same ratios apply adding more males?
e.g. 1 daughter/sister share equally with any # of sons/brothers?
OR 1 daughter/sister 1/2, 6 sons/brothers 1/2 (1/12 each?)

2 sisters 1/4 (1/8 each), 6 brothers 3/4 (1/8 each)
OR
2 sisters 2/3 (1/3 each), 6 brothers 1/3 (1/18 each?)

logically the same ratios given do hold when adding more males!

peace!

[Mazhar]

What a stupid resolution?

And if she (your offspring) was one female; then, one-half is allocated for her.

Just forget superfluous distribution. Do you accept this command or you reject it?

[Noon_waalqalami]

^^^ 411 where is the instruction what to give 2 solitary daughters, no sons?
4176 where is the instruction what to give 3+ solitary sisters, no brothers?

simple questions he repeatedly refuses to answer continues spamming!
exactly same instructions solitary boys/girls, can only have 1 variable!

1/3 parents (fixed 1/6 each), 2/3 two sons (variable 1/3 each)
1/3 parents (fixed 1/6 each), 2/3 two daughters (variable 1/3 each)

the instruction set mixed children ratio fm is given
411 instructed you the god in offspring yours
(case 2 females!) to the male similitude apportion the two females
(case 3+ females!) so if are womenfolk over two females so for them 2/3
(case 1 female!) and if be she one so for her the half (1/2)

this is like teaching preschool children with attention deficit disorder symptoms.

[Mazhar]

What a stupid resolution?

And if she (your offspring) was one female; then, one-half is allocated for her.

1= 24 equal parts.

According to this sentence of Ayah half went to one female (daughter-Noon calls it walad=child)= 12 parts

Take note; One-sixth of that which he (the deceased son) has left behind is allocated separately for each of his bereaved Father and Mother. This direction is to take effect if solitary child is surviving for him (the deceased).

One sixth to father = 4 parts
one sixth to mother=4 parts.

20 parts went.

However, in case there was child (according to Noon) to grieve for you, thereby, the one-eighth is apportioned for them (bereaved wives) out of that which you have left.

She gets- 3 parts.

Total 23.

To whom will go remaining part 1 and where is its mention dear Noon?

[Noon_waalqalami]

^^^ clueless rant hijacking the thread with continuous spamming!
411 daughter 1/2 children mixed i.e. son/s present not solitary.
again mazhar simply allocate father daughter?
otherwise stop hijacking the thread!

[Mazhar]

^^^ clueless rant hijacking the thread with continuous spamming!
411 daughter 1/2 children mixed i.e. son/s present not solitary.
again mazhar simply allocate father daughter?
otherwise stop hijacking the thread!

Sentences of Ayah quoted are simple and specific. It is specifically mentioned if there was one child half will go to child.

Simply answer the post. I know you have gone clueless.

[Noon_waalqalami]

Sentences of Ayah quoted are simple and specific. It is specifically mentioned if there was one child half will go to child.

no read in context it is a loop gives ratios femalesmale nicely explained in video
Rules of inheritance - Dr.Mohamad Shahrour (Episode.2)
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFfvjAoRpIk

otherwise have 100s of contradictions in distributions e.g. parents daughter?

https//i.postimg.cc/Hn9QCBmQ/inheritance-4-11-and-4-176.jpg

females multi ratio f,m distributions given 1 male

1 daughter 1.0x 11 1,1 1/2, 1/2 ... 411 and if be she one (daughter) so for her the half (1/2)
2 daughters 2.0x 12 2,1 1/4, 1/4, 1/2 ... 411 to the male similitude apportion the two females
3 daughters 1.5x 23 3,1 2/9, 2/9, 2/9, 1/3 ... 411 so if are womenfolk over two (3+) so for them third dual (2/3)
4 daughters 2.0x 12 4,1 1/6, 1/6, 1/6, 1/6, 1/3
5 daughters 2.5x 25 5,1 2/15, 2/15, 2/15, 2/15, 2/15, 1/3
6 daughters 3.0x 13 6,1 1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/3

females multi ratio f,m distributions given 1 male

1 sister 1.0x 11 1,1 1/2, 1/2 ... 4176 and to him (said person) sister so for her half (1/2)
2 sisters 1.0x 11 2,1 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 ... 4176 so if be dual two females so to them dual the third each (2/3)
3 sisters 2.0x 12 3,1 1/5, 1/5, 1/5, 2/5 ... 4176 so to the male similitude apportion the two females
4 sisters 2.0x 12 4,1 1/6, 1/6, 1/6, 1/6, 1/3
5 sisters 2.0x 12 5,1 1/7, 1/7, 1/7, 1/7, 1/7, 2/7
6 sisters 2.0x 12 6,1 1/8, 1/8, 1/8, 1/8, 1/8, 1/8, 1/4

above same ratios apply when adding more males
e.g. 1 daughter shares equally with any # of sons
e.g. 1 or 2 sisters share equally any # of brothers

4176 shows the god for you lest thou err ye of and the god in every thing knower

peace!

[Mazhar]

My dear why are you so evasive. Your plan flops when we come to specifics.

One female gets half of the inheritance. How can you deny the words of Allah and insert your own imagination. There is no mention that with one girl there is one boy also.

[Noon_waalqalami]

you cannot read in context, attributed daughters to god, cannot allocate anything.
open your own thread show how to allocate all combinations without contradiction.
see small sample below then do same husband, daughters, sons, sisters, brothers.

daughter,son,wife,mother,father

daughter,son,wife,mother
daughter,son,wife,father
daughter,son,mother,father
daughter,wife,mother,father
son,wife,mother,father

daughter,son,wife
daughter,son,mother
daughter,son,father
daughter,wife,mother
daughter,wife,father
daughter,mother,father
son,wife,mother
son,wife,father
son,mother,father
wife,mother,father

daughter,son
daughter,wife
daughter,mother
daughter,father
son,wife
son,mother
son,father
wife,mother
wife,father
mother,father

kalala cases
mother,father,sister,brother

mother,father,sister
mother,father,brother
mother,sister,brother
father,sister,brother

mother,sister
mother,brother
father,sister
father,brother
sister,brother

[The_Sardar]

Error in my mistake, accidentally posted a quote from Noon.

[Mazhar]

My dear why are you so evasive. Your plan flops when we come to specifics.

One female gets half of the inheritance. How can you deny the words of Allah and insert your own imagination. There is no mention that with one girl there is one boy also.

It will stupid on any one part if he thinks himself more wise in allocating share than Allah's distribution.

Allah the Exalted has made three situations where allocations are made. The remaining part is left to the discretion of testator.

Allah the Exalted has allocated inalienable shares for the bereaved relatives in the most simple method by categorizing the deceased in three mutually exclusive types

(i) Parents (Biological father and mother) leaving behind one daughter, or two daughters and son, or many daughters, daughter and son/sons, or more than one son. Parents leaving behind only one son are not in this category.

(ii) Deceased leaving behind alive parents, both mother and father; one son and spouse (wife/wives or husband). Or deceased leaving behind only parents (father and mother) and spouse, but without one son to grieve.

(iii) Deceased (man or woman) leaving behind only single alive parent or no parent, and no spouse, but leaving one son to grieve him. Or deceased leaving behind only single alive parent or no parent, no spouse, no son but leaving behind to grieve him one sister, or two sisters, or sister/s and brothers.

As for your stupid and idiotic distribution of all the inheritance as one unit, you have ran away answering post

1= 24 equal parts.

According to this sentence of Ayah half went to one female (daughter-Noon calls it walad=child)= 12 parts

Take note; One-sixth of that which he (the deceased son) has left behind is allocated separately for each of his bereaved Father and Mother. This direction is to take effect if solitary child is surviving for him (the deceased).

One sixth to father = 4 parts
one sixth to mother=4 parts.

20 parts went.

However, in case there was child (according to Noon) to grieve for you, thereby, the one-eighth is apportioned for them (bereaved wives) out of that which you have left.

She gets- 3 parts.

Total 23.

To whom will go remaining part 1 and where is its mention dear Noon?

[Noon_waalqalami]

As for your stupid and idiotic distribution of all the inheritance as one unit, you have ran away answering post

you do not know, now you are asking me to allocate parents spouse daughter?
already posted all combinations see video, 411 mixed gender children ratios.
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFfvjAoRpIk

(if walad/offspring/child)
1/3 parents (1/6 each), 1/8 wife, 13/24 children (1/3 + 1/8 + 13/24 = 1)
1/3 parents (1/6 each), 1/8 wife, 13/24 son/s
1/3 parents (1/6 each), 1/8 wife, 13/24 daughter/s
1/3 parents (1/6 each), 1/8 wife, 13/24 (13/48 daughter, 13/48 son) 11 ratio

now it is your turn (again!), please distribute parents, spouse, two daughters?

no read in context it is a loop gives ratios femalesmale nicely explained in video
Rules of inheritance - Dr.Mohamad Shahrour (Episode.2)
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFfvjAoRpIk

otherwise have 100s of contradictions in distributions e.g. parents daughter?

females multi ratio f,m distributions given 1 male

1 daughter 1.0x 11 1,1 1/2, 1/2 ... 411 and if be she one (daughter) so for her the half (1/2)
2 daughters 2.0x 12 2,1 1/4, 1/4, 1/2 ... 411 to the male similitude apportion the two females
3 daughters 1.5x 23 3,1 2/9, 2/9, 2/9, 1/3 ... 411 so if are womenfolk over two (3+) so for them third dual (2/3)
4 daughters 2.0x 12 4,1 1/6, 1/6, 1/6, 1/6, 1/3
5 daughters 2.5x 25 5,1 2/15, 2/15, 2/15, 2/15, 2/15, 1/3
6 daughters 3.0x 13 6,1 1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/3

above same ratios apply when adding more males
e.g. 1 daughter shares equally with any # of sons

4176 shows the god for you lest thou err ye of and the god in every thing knower

peace!