WHO HERE ARE THE ALLAH/QUR-AN ONLY PEOPLE...?
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Then what the heck are you arguing then; what is your point?!?
Your a real comedy act dhul, watching you run in circles and twist and distort what the quran says and what other people on the forum say is better then going to the circus and watching clowns do their act.
The dhulqarnain alias on this list is the person now known as PRIEST_BOKMEI aka DHULQARNANE.
Albion, though they are also banned now sums up this character in the most succinct way imaginable.
See also...
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4359
LOL! Man, have I ever struck fear deep into your dark heart, for you to be so obssessed/consumed by me and to keep up this bizarre and shaitanic crusade to defame me. You've lost all bearing and are simply making fool of yourself. With each subsequent post, you tell one and all, how afraid and defeated, as result of my arguments, you are..er..let me correct that...Allah's arguments, which I've articulated well, all praises due to Allah. You are a very envious, petty, and shallow individual. Indeed, it must be very painful/ugly being you. As far as Albion is concerned, well, this individual believes that Jesus is God and is fully human and fully God and God's own son etc. etc. etc...and he refers to me as a clown and you support him?! rotfl Listen, I'll let you in on something, as it stands right now---Albion, is one of the most unfortunate of souls, because he practices shirk,hence,...he is Hell bound. Isn't that funny too? lol And guess what, so are you, because like him, you too, associate others with Allah.wink
"truth', here's another fact for you....there is no...truth in you....
Get a life.
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as result of my arguments, you are..er..let me correct that...Allah's arguments, which I've articulated well, all praises due to Allah.
Like Marie pointed out in another thread, it is not right to call them Allah's arguments, they are your interpretations of the quran, or in your case...your mentor's interpretations. To call your interpretations/arguments being Allah's arguments is being egoistical and arrogant to the nth degree. No one holds the absolute truth except God. Thus any reasonable person would say, this is my interpretation though I might be wrong and God knows best. This is being humble.
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as result of my arguments, you are..er..let me correct that...Allah's arguments, which I've articulated well, all praises due to Allah.
Like Marie pointed out in another thread, it is not right to call them Allah's arguments, they are your interpretations of the quran, or in your case...your mentor's interpretations. To call your interpretations/arguments being Allah's arguments is being egoistical and arrogant to the nth degree. No one holds the absolute truth except God. Thus any reasonable person would say, this is my interpretation though I might be wrong and God knows best. This is being humble.
You misunderstand me. I cannot take credit for what Allah has stated, that would be arrogant and egotistical. Allah, when He revealed Al-Quran, did not give us a book on how to build a atom smasher, He gave us a clear book on guidnace (guidance how to avoid Hell and gain Paradise), hence, the arguments towad that end are easy to understand. The problem has been gross mistranslations and following other things for guidance along with Al-Quran or exclusive of it. Ayat 6146, fr example, is an easy ayat to grasp. I could show this ayat to a 6th grader and he or she would get it right. Thufr--means claw--and that is the key, but that is not my knowledge, but Allah's knowledge, hence, I cannot take credit for it. Again, it was my mentors, Hamza and Nadia Abdul Malik, who introduced me to Allah's argument, so, none of the credit is mine.
Peace.
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LOL! Man, have I ever struck fear deep into your dark heart...
Not just me, but every other person you've crushed on any forum you've ever been on cough. Can't you see that we're all absolutely crapping ourselves?
As far as Albion is concerned, well, this individual believes that Jesus is God and is fully human and fully God and God's own son etc. etc. etc...and he refers to me as a clown and you support him?!
I don't know if I'd say support, but I agree that you're a clown and that your clownish behaviour amuses a little, if that's what you wanted to know.
Get a life.
I think that if I'd been banned multiple times from multiple forums, alternately criticising them and then whoring my integrity to them to be let back on to write the same garbage over and over, then I might need one like you absolutely do.
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LOL! Man, have I ever struck fear deep into your dark heart...
Not just me, but every other person you've crushed on any forum you've ever been on cough. Can't you see that we're all absolutely crapping ourselves?
As far as Albion is concerned, well, this individual believes that Jesus is God and is fully human and fully God and God's own son etc. etc. etc...and he refers to me as a clown and you support him?!
I don't know if I'd say support, but your clownish behaviour amuses a little, if that's what you wanted to know.
Get a life.
I think that if I'd been banned multiple times from multiple forums, alternately criticising them and then whoring my integrity to them to be let back on to write the same garbage over and over, then I might need one like you absolutely do.
Good deal. There will be no more discussion between you and I.
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LOL! Man, have I ever struck fear deep into your dark heart...
Not just me, but every other person you've crushed on any forum you've ever been on cough. Can't you see that we're all absolutely crapping ourselves?
As far as Albion is concerned, well, this individual believes that Jesus is God and is fully human and fully God and God's own son etc. etc. etc...and he refers to me as a clown and you support him?!
I don't know if I'd say support, but your clownish behaviour amuses a little, if that's what you wanted to know.
Get a life.
I think that if I'd been banned multiple times from multiple forums, alternately criticising them and then whoring my integrity to them to be let back on to write the same garbage over and over, then I might need one like you absolutely do.
Good deal. There will be no more discussion between you and I.
The truth hurts.
Especially the truth that people are not prepared to put up with your garbage. Get used to it if you haven't already.
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Salaams All,
Just wondering is useless arguments/disputes and other things of this type, forbidden anywhere in the quran?
Salaams.
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SaLaM mz357
God does says to hold discussions, but in a way that is best.
Invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and good advice, and argue with them with that which is better. Your Lord is fully aware of who is misguided from His path, and He is fully aware of the guided ones.
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Salaams Jaxal,
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And we said OAdam dwell you and your wife (in) the paradise/the happy abode/state of bliss and eat/partake both of you from it with free pleasure (from )wherever you wish but (do) not come near this tree/ offensive disputes or you both will be of the wrong-doers.Salaams.
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Salaams Jaxal,
i was just pointing at futile arguments/disputes for the benefit of some people who looked as though they where into a strong argument-of a type.
Gods Blessings on All.
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Salaams Dhul,
nice list ,
are there any people who don't believe in the rituals as such and are God Alone and Quran followers or something - may be we could have gethereing every blue moon or something dosen't matter where we are - i think.
It may be good for our future - future generations or something.
I am in the Uk.
send a post , or a personal message . Salaams .
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Well I am GOD Alone and Quran Alone but I dont fall into what is described on the original post as being Quran Alone,the Question should have been Who Here Are Progressive Muslims(those described with the beliefs that was listed)? Because I do salaat,I believe in pilgrimage, and in other things some claim to be just allegory etc..so the question is tainted to PM's only view..which I dont claim to be,but neither am I a 19er or Mainstream Muslim either.Im simply a Muslim that follows the religion of Abraham(Islaam) by using and following to the best of my knowledge the Message that GOD sent by Muhammad-the Quran..
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Peace all. 'Quran only' is not necessarily the same as 'god alone',unless god only speaks through the quran and nowhere else...?
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peace nabi and all. Nabi;I put a questionmark at the end of my point,so it was not a conclusion. I also stated 'quran only' is not necessarily the same as 'god only',this is not excluding all 'quran only' from being 'god only'.Please read what i wrote. I have no doubt that God speaks outside the quran as well.(the implication by some is that the quran is the only reliable wahy or revelation.) And i will ask,can you be 'god alone' without being quran alone?(or do we have 'quran only' sectarianism?)
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Peace
I put a questionmark at the end of my point,so it was not a conclusion.
It was a concluding remark. People do it all the time. For example x is not y unless <whatever> right?
You're assuming because of a and b that c <God speaks through the Quran and nowhere else> is definitive.
I also stated 'quran only' is not necessarily the same as 'god only',this is not excluding all 'quran only' from being 'god only'
No matter what, it is God only. It is God inspired.
the implication by some is that the quran is the only reliable wahy or revelation
And by others that it is not really a revelation and that God is not one but many.
And i will ask,can you be 'god alone' without being quran alone?
That's a different question buddy.
Quran alone is God alone.
One can believe in God alone without adhering to the quran alone.
Still, adhering to the quran alone puts one in the position of being God alone.
And surely you know the answer to your question so why ask it? Have you not been propogating such a thing throughout the forum? Ex Oh I believe we do not need the quran for this and that and the quran is not necessary. People can find God without scripture, etc.
Joe
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Peace nabi. Ok,is the interpretation of the quran only people god inspired?
If i ask you a question, while having an opinion of my own on that question,what is the problem?If you show me im incorrect or have made a wrong conclusion(which happens,we are all human. )then i will see if you have a clearer insight on this topic. Is this not the purpose of discussion and questions?Why are you making an assumption that you think i already have a unshiftable preconceived notion to my questions? I have a previous opinion but it is not necessarily set in stone. Or can you read my mind/heart? I feel your defensiveness is possibly beacause you feel uncomfortable with some questions. I could be wrong.
Peace.