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The salat Ritual..Where does it come from..

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    Mohammad_Saleem_Khan
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    Peace,

    salamun alaikum all

    The real fact is that, The creator of this universe has given us only one book which is "Al-Quran" which is the operating manual of the most complicated machine on this earth human created by The God, having proper operating procedures, truoble shootings and remedial. This book is for all time and ages. it can't be confined to a particular time period. It is not a book of history as has been mentioned at least 8 times in quran that it is not "asateer-ul-awwaleen", and 2110 tells us us that it is for us present continious time, the preriod we are living in.

    The word
    kitab
    means written one, weatehr a line, a sentence, a para or a booklet or a detailed complied binding. so "books" plural refers to each ayat of quran and does not mean any previous scriptures by the name of Injeel,torat,zaboor. These are atributed names of Allah's book like
    furqan", burhan, sultan, haq, rehmat, hikmat,zikr etc, re tese also some separates books, whereas Allah has said that his words his ls never changes, so why deos he needs to reveal different Books?

    All those ordered ayats are calld as torat and their sermon is injeel and zaboor is pieces of differnt instructions or part of Book.
    Nowhere in Quran it is stated that Moosa was given Taurat, instead Moosa was given the Book. The book is present all the time and all the messengers gets understanding from the book by Allah and presched to masses according gto the situation which is the main assignment of a messenger, and messenger will continue , there will be no end..

    Saleem

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      unknownuser
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      Peace be upon you,

      All those ordered ayats are calld as torat and their sermon is injeel and zaboor is pieces of differnt instructions or part of Book.

      WOW!!! Let me ponder on this!!! Good post.

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        Jaxal
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        SaLaM Taj

        do you think that we should completely reject the teachings in the Bible and Torah?

        No. Those are the books of God. They have been changed or altered just like the Quran has been changed or altered. God asks us to follow the truth where ever we find it. This includes Injeel and Torah.

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          Peace be with you all,
          I hope this will help you in arriving to some conclusion wink .

          5 Al-maidah-
          44-Lo! We did reveal the Torah, wherein is guidance and a light, by which the Prophets who surrendered (unto Allah) judged the Jews, and the rabbis and the priests (judged) by such of Allah's Scripture as they were bidden to observe, and thereunto were they witnesses. So fear not mankind, but fear Me. And barter not My revelations for a little gain. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed such are disbelievers.

          46-And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary confirming the law that had come before him We sent him the Gospel therein was guidance and light and confirmation of the law that had come before him a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.

          47-Let the people of the Gospel Judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed they are (no better than) those who rebel.

          48-To thee We sent the Scripture in truth confirming the scripture that came before it and guarding it in safety; so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed and follow not their vain desires diverging from the truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have We prescribed a Law and an Open Way. If Allah had so willed He would have made you a single people but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to Allah; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute.

          take care.

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            What are you guys talking about???

            If you reject the hadith, to follow the Quran ALONE, then reject everything else. Even the Quran FORBIDS any other source of Islamic knowledge. It is just as idiotic to follow the torah, or injeel, or bible, as it is to follow the hadith blindly. And it'll land you a free pass to hell, as the Quran says.

            And the Quran hasnt been changed. Allah has protected the Quran from that. It does have minor (very) changes like a few letters. But the message has remained the Same. The other books have been altered by the people. Those books arent to be trusted. That was the whole purpose of the Quran in the first place.

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              Assalamu alaikum

              I dont know much about the earlier scriptures, but how can u read them in purpose of guidance if u dont know whats the words of God in it and whats been changed?

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                Peace be upon you all,

                As with any book, we must verify what we read. Take your focus out of books ad place it on Al Kitab (Divine law), the only important book.

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                  Jaxal
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                  SaLaM Amatuallah

                  Your name reminds me of a friend i had. Very intelligent. Had big things planned for her life. An awesome person

                  Ok, to your question. When i read the Torah, i try to verify what i read. The truth is repeated in all the scriptures of God. The more you do this, the better and easy it becomes for you to spot the BS from the guidence.

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                    unknownuser
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                    Alaikum assalaam)

                    Jaxal wrote

                    When i read the Torah, i try to verify what i read. The truth is repeated in all the scriptures of God. The more you do this, the better and easy it becomes for you to spot the BS from the guidence.

                    Even though the truth is repeated, how can we know that these words are really the words of God? The earlier sciptures has been corrupted so even the words which match with the meaning of quran can have been changed alittle maybe..? I cant see any meaning to seek guidance from any other scriptures than quran.

                    Salaam

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                      Jaxal
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                      SaLaM amatuallah

                      But Quran is corrupted as well! IT has been changed and altered.

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                        unknownuser
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                        Peace be upon you ,

                        Al Kitaab, the universal Law, is never altered.

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                          Jaxal
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                          SaLaM Idolfree

                          Brother which kitab would that be?

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                            unknownuser
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                            Peace be upon you Jaxal,

                            That would be THE Kitaab, whose signs are from the horizons to within our minds/spirits(nafs).

                            We cannot go wrong when we deal with objective verificaton.

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                              Jaxal
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                              SaLaM idolfree

                              Forgive me brother, for the answer still eludes my grasp. I know you are not talking about the Quran, Torah or Gospel. So what is the name of this book? Surely its not called "Al-Kitab".

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                                unknownuser
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                                Peace be upon you,

                                It is a book that is above names. Names are only needed to seperate on thing from the other, but this book "leaves nothing out" and is "fully detailed". It has no name, just like the God, who only has attributes.

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                                  Assalamu alaikum

                                  Thats true, there are different mushafs (scriptures, books) but the quran can never be changed. So which mushaf do u believe in, how can u know which mushaf is the right one?

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                                    Jaxal
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                                    SaLaM Amatuallah

                                    No no. Im not talking about different mushafs. I mean, that alone should be an indication of how Quran has been altered. Do you think that is how the Quran was written? in different mushafs? I dont think so. It was written in one dialect. But even leaving that aside, words have been aded to the Quran. There is a topic here called "How authentic is the Quran". Have a read through it. It also provides evidence for you to see yourself.

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                                      unknownuser
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                                      Alaikum assalaam
                                      No i dont think so. I think people have changed the real one into different mushafs. But there is one real, and Gods words can never change. I will read it, in sha Allah. Barak Allahu fik.

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                                        Jaxal
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                                        SaLaM Amatuallah

                                        Ok tell me. What is your defination of 'altered' or 'changed' or 'corrupt'.

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