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Why do so many Quran Aloners still use the term "Allah"

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    unknownuser
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    Peace be upon you,

    There is no compulsion in the God's order.

    I do however truly believe that when speaking a certain language that you should translate all words. From my own personal experience, when I started to translate everything, I gained vast understanding.

    Also, make sure the words that are already translated by traditional "scholars" is correct, like the term "angel" which has no place in this message.

    In conclusion, there is no compulsion, just expressing how much it has helped me.

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      mquran
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      JK- You should know that the Arabic Bible also uses the term "Allah" which is translated from "elyhim" and in English "God" or "GOD". The term "GOD" with all caps or even "God" cannot be modified. It is the one with small "g" that can be. GOD Bless!

      Strange to see you even bring this up. I'm using the word Allah because to me, the word 'god' is rootless. It has no context. The word Allah is the central word in the discourse of al-quraan and therefore is fully-explained. The bible doesn't have this self-awareness.

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        phoenix1
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        peace Idolfree1,

        since you brought it up, what do you think "no compulsion means?"

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          unknownuser
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          Peace be upon you,

          since you brought it up, what do you think "no compulsion means?"

          It means "absence of energy". It means we have the FREEDOM to choose, the FREEDOM to ignore any impulse or force to move in a certain direction.

          For example, one is standing at a crossroad deciding to go left or right, then someone comes up and pushes you to the left, that was compulsion, and that is what emotions do. That was not choice.

          SO to make a long answer short, we are free to choose our own way, but it benefits us to choose the way that is in line with the Divine Plan.

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            mquran
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            SO to make a long answer short, we are free to choose our own way, but it benefits us to choose the way that is in line with the Divine Plan.

            Agreed. When you choose Al-Islaam, you are choosing to attain salaam. The way you choose Islam is to purify your deen solely for Allah (mukhliseena lahu ad-deen).

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              bmbmm
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              Allah is not Arabic. Jesus used Allah as well in the Bible

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                mquran
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                Allah is not Arabic. Jesus used Allah as well in the Bible

                I'm not claiming the word is Arabic exclusively or that Allah Himself is an Arab. What I am saying is, I use the word Allah because the word is fully explained in al-quraan. I do not accept the bible as revelation nor any other book.

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                  Prince
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                  PEACE

                  Someone correct me if im wrong but doesn't ALLAH translate to THE GOD??

                  Also I personally agree with jonny the simple reason being is that God is beyond language and therefore we shouldn't limit The God to a simple word if we are to believe that his system/religion is for all of mankind to follow and not selected people in the Middle East who speak Arabic/Aramaic or whatever. Just my 2 cents!!

                  PEACE

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                    jonny_k
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                    Peace "mquran",

                    Strange to see you even bring this up. I'm using the word Allah because to me, the word 'god' is rootless. It has no context. The word Allah is the central word in the discourse of al-quraan and therefore is fully-explained. The bible doesn't have this self-awareness.

                    JK- Even in the Quran "Allah" is not used as a name or personal god as many believe. We should use the term for GOD of the language which we speak. Ofcourse im not forcing anyone. Thats just my advice. If you wanna be considered terrorists and racists by non-Arabic speakers, which i believe would be the result of doing so, then that's entirely upto you . GOD Bless!

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                      jonny_k
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                      Peace "2pac",

                      Someone correct me if im wrong but doesn't ALLAH translate to THE GOD??

                      JK- Yep that is a possibility but grammatically speaking i prefer using all capital "GOD" only.

                      Also I personally agree with jonny the simple reason being is that God is beyond language and therefore we shouldn't limit The God to a simple word if we are to believe that his system/religion is for all of mankind to follow and not selected people in the Middle East who speak Arabic/Aramaic or whatever. Just my 2 cents!!

                      PEACE

                      JK- EXACTLY! ) GOD Bless!

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                        unknownuser
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                        Hello

                        As brother Salahdin said Allah is A NAME and does not mean God, Allah is a unique name too, I can elaborate later,,

                        Ilah is the one that means God

                        therefore Allah must be called Allah in any langugae because it is his personal name that can't be plural neither feminine

                        God however can be plural "the gods" and can be feminine "The goddess"

                        for example the name Richard in english will be "Richard" in Arabic

                        and my name Ahmed in Arabic will be Ahmed in English and Ahmed in chinease

                        see, it has nothing to do with the Arabic language

                        IT IS A NAME FOR GOD SAKE

                        and I mean by God above "Ilah" and not "Allah"

                        But I know there is only one Ilah (God) and His name is Allah (Allah)

                        Peace to all

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                          jonny_k
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                          Peace bro "AB",

                          Hello

                          As brother Salahdin said Allah is A NAME and does not mean God, Allah is a unique name too, I can elaborate later,,

                          JK- Sorry i cannot agree. Christians also use this argument to slap the submitters in the face.

                          Ilah is the one that means God

                          JK- "Ilah" means "god" with small "g" while "Allah" means "God/GOD" with capital "G". Greek makes an even better distinction i.e. "ilah" in arabic= "TONtheos" in Greek and "Allah" = "HOtheos". Once is indeed specific while the other is common BUT none is a name NOT to mention a personal name. See the difference?

                          therefore Allah must be called Allah in any langugae because it is his personal name that can't be plural neither feminine

                          JK- "GOD" with ccapital "G" can also neither be feminine nor plural. And as i said according to the Quran GOD is NOT a person. This is the Christians's or Jews' concept of GOD. Submitters stress on the fact entirely that GOD is for all.

                          God however can be plural "the gods" and can be feminine "The goddess"

                          JK- Explained above.

                          for example the name Richard in english will be "Richard" in Arabic

                          JK- Bad example since "Allah" is NOT a name. Even the Arabic Bible would show you that where "elyhim" wherever referring to the true god has been translated as "Allah".

                          and my name Ahmed in Arabic will be Ahmed in English and Ahmed in chinease

                          JK- Explained above.

                          see, it has nothing to do with the Arabic language

                          IT IS A NAME FOR GOD SAKE

                          and I mean by God above "Ilah" and not "Allah"

                          But I know there is only one Ilah (God) and His name is Allah (Allah)

                          Peace to all

                          JK- As ive made clear now "Allah" is NOT a name by any means. Jesus, Abraham, etc didnt call GOD by the term "Allah". They used "Elyhim/Alaaha/Yahweh/Eloah". GOD Bless!

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                            unknownuser
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                            Thanks bro

                            can you please tell me what the besmellah means then by ( in the name of Allah) ?

                            thanks

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                              unknownuser
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                              Salam Brother Jonny

                              I'm sorry bro, I don't care what other language or other religions call Allah in their language if it is not Arabic

                              In the Arabic Quran however it clearly tells us that Allah IS A NAME ALONG WITH MANY OTHER NAMES HE HAS, here is my compelling evidence

                              23- Allah is He, than Whom there is no other god;- the Sovereign, the Holy One, the Source of Peace (and Perfection), the Guardian of Faith, the Preserver of Safety, the Exalted in Might, the Irresistible, the Supreme Glory to Allah! (High is He) above the partners they attribute to Him.

                              24- He is Allah, the Creator, the Evolver, the Bestower of Forms (or Colours). To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names whatever is in the heavens and on earth, doth declare His Praises and Glory and He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.

                              (23)

                              (24)

                              Peace bro

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                                mquran
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                                In the Arabic Quran however it clearly tells us that Allah IS A NAME ALONG WITH MANY OTHER NAMES HE HAS, here is my compelling evidence

                                Read the verse again.

                                It says Allah, there's no ilah but He...

                                So if one asks, who is the 'he' in 59/23? what would your answer be?

                                then 59/24 says 'lahu al-asmaaul husna' to/for him are the most beautiful names.

                                So who is the 'he' in 59/24?

                                To me, this passage shows that the primary name is 'Allah'. However, Im still unsure about 17/110.

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                                  mquran
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                                  If Al-quraan is consistent then 'the god' would translate into 'al-ilah', not Allah.

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                                    unknownuser
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                                    In the Arabic Quran however it clearly tells us that Allah IS A NAME ALONG WITH MANY OTHER NAMES HE HAS, here is my compelling evidence

                                    Read the verse again.

                                    It says Allah, there's no ilah but He...

                                    So if one asks, who is the 'he' in 59/23? what would your answer be?

                                    then 59/24 says 'lahu al-asmaaul husna' to/for him are the most beautiful names.

                                    So who is the 'he' in 59/24?

                                    To me, this passage shows that the primary name is 'Allah'. However, Im still unsure about 17/110.

                                    For 5923, He is any of the following names that followed "Hoa" Allah, Al Mumin, Al Malik, Al Qudoos, Al Salam, Al Aziz, Al Jabbar, Al Mutakabir, Al Muhaimin

                                    And to me, "He" in 59/24 is any of the following names that followed "is" Allah, Al Khaliq, Al Bari, Al Musawir nothing suggest to me in the verses that Allah is the primary one, but I can accept that it is the most popular one.

                                    for 7110

                                    (110)

                                    According to the above Arabic verse it is clear that following names are His

                                    Allah & Al Rahman

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                                      Prince
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                                      PEACE

                                      Can someone translate ALLAH for me in english??Brother mquran stated Al-ilah means THE GOD so that would be the wrong wording to use.

                                      If the message has come to all nations then has the word ALLAH always been used regardless of language??

                                      Granted ALLAH has been used in the Quran many times but could someone explain to me how you estabilish nouns i.e names in the Quran so not to translate it straight to english??

                                      PEACE

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                                        unknownuser
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                                        PEACE

                                        Peace mate

                                        Can someone translate ALLAH for me in english??Brother mquran stated Al-ilah means THE GOD so that would be the wrong wording to use.

                                        Mquran is right, Al-Ilah is the one that means The God

                                        Allah can't be translated because it is a name as I shown from the verses above, it rimes with Ilah but that's about it really

                                        If the message has come to all nations then has the word ALLAH always been used regardless of language??

                                        I believe yes "but not 100% sure" as I see Elohim rimes well with Allah, I think you may read the book "What is His Name" by Ahmed Dedaat

                                        in the arab word also when we see something stunning we say the word "Allah"

                                        Granted ALLAH has been used in the Quran many times but could someone explain to me how you estabilish nouns i.e names in the Quran so not to translate it straight to english??
                                        PEACE

                                        I guess like any other language, only the context will be the main criteria in recognising entity names

                                        for example Mansoor is a common male and arabic name and it also means "made victories"

                                        in the following context it has to be an entity name

                                        Mansoor went to the school = Mansoor(a human) went to the school

                                        in the next context it can only mean "Made victories"

                                        Mohammad was mansoor in Badr battle = Mohammad was made victories in Badr battle

                                        in the following context, the first Mansoor means Mansoor as entity name and the second mansoor means "made victories"

                                        Mansoor was mansoor by his friends = Mansoor was made victories by his friends

                                        and for both meanings "a male name" or "made victories", mansoor is always noun

                                        so being a noun is no use to determine the meaning, it is the context only

                                        peace

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                                          jonny_k
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                                          Salam bro "AB",

                                          Thanks bro

                                          can you please tell me what the besmellah means then by ( in the name of Allah) ?

                                          thanks

                                          JK- The evangelical Christgians at answering-islam.com asked me the same question years ago. I gave them their own example from the Bible where it says "in the NAME of the Father, ....". Now is "father" here a name? Definitely not. Similarly the verse Bismillah says "in the name of GOD, the beneficial, the Merfciful." Infact the latter two can be considered names/attributes. GOD Bless!

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