gay people and islam
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thank you brother JHamza
you last comment was great and spot on
peace be with you
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nice one, at least this may indicate that I'm not a liar wink
Because you say so does it make it so wink
well let me explain
when I read the Quran, I don't read it like reading a comic book, I read it thoroughly and invistigate every word and letter more than once, I can spend 10 days woprking out a complicated verse
see
cheersAnd therefore it takes 25 years to read it 15 times...for a moment I thought you were a slow reader wink
Regards,
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nice one, at least this may indicate that I'm not a liar wink
Because you say so does it make it so wink
from my perspective yes it makes it so, from your perpective or others who don't know me, I don't really know, not sure if I will even care, wink
well let me explain
when I read the Quran, I don't read it like reading a comic book, I read it thoroughly and invistigate every word and letter more than once, I can spend 10 days woprking out a complicated verse
see
cheersAnd therefore it takes 25 years to read it 15 times...for a moment I thought you were a slow reader wink
Regards,
it may sound like it, but, I don't read the Quran alone, I read hundreds of other stuff, like the bible other religious books, and sure other stuff that I use to make my living, and finally the stuff I read for fun, like the daily news paper of example, in some dyas I read the news paper twice wink
cheers
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Peace be upon you Peaceful Muslim,
idolfree1 wrote
Peace be upon you JHamza,
You forgot to highlight the part where it says that no people in creation committed before you.Some might think that dismisses the fact that it was homosexuality, but the explanation is that none before YOU could have done it or YOU would not be here to talk about it because Homosexuals dont create children.
Peacefulmuslim
R u for the first time taking verses in the literal sense instead of metaphorising them? How come?I am certainly not taking it literal, meaning that a man named LOT offered his daughters without thier permission to be prostitutes, no.
U have metaphorised everything in the entire Quran
Not everything, just the prophetic stories, but still studying.
..........even the idea of God, Heaven, Hell, Mohammed, iblis etc.
I do not necessarilly metaphorize the God, I just dont have the God as an OBJECT out there in the skies.
U claim not to believe a person named Mohammed exsisted becoc u have no direct knowledge about him.
I do not lean in any direction regarding "Muhammad Ibn Abdulah". I have no proof of his existence or non existence. My only interest is in my spiritual GUIDANCE, which is not built from blind faith, but from KNOWLEDGE and the ability to carry out the knowledge.
Did u know the people of Lot by urself? Did u witness their deeds? How exactly did u verify them?
No, I dont know them , nor do I take the story as literal, the God is not telling us to offer our daughters up for prostitution.
I verify the story by looking at the universe, "male" and "female" are designed as a compliment to each other there is yin and yang to all of life.
It is the union of opposites that creates life, therefore "NONE BEFORE YOU HAVE DONE THIS", couldnt have, or you wouldnt be here to talk about it.
Or Is that becoz these verses might be in ur favour that u choose to specifically give a literal meaning to it?
I hope it is clear now.
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thank you brother JHamza
you last comment was great and spot on
peace be with you
wink
It is unfortunate that your arabic friend hasn't corrected the translations for you.
However, say you lived in a time where homosexulaity in both sexes was accepted and understood ,so much so that noboday needed terms like homo or hetro to describe these differences.
Then one day a group of men in your village started raping other men, castrating them to stop them from being with women.
How would you describe what was going on. What would you say to them when you'd meet them.
There is no wrong or right answer nor is this a trick question.
peace.
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I would be rather angry, because my free choice to be with either sex was in danger of being limited to just one?I'd let them know about it! lol
However, in this hypothetical "time" you describe, the concept of right or wrong is not present. Yet we, who are in possession of such a concept are suddenly 'dropped' into this time, and expected to answer your question.
Problematic.
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thank you brother JHamza
you last comment was great and spot on
peace be with you
wink
It is unfortunate that your arabic friend hasn't corrected the translations for you.
However, say you lived in a time where homosexulaity in both sexes was accepted and understood ,so much so that noboday needed terms like homo or hetro to describe these differences.
Then one day a group of men in your village started raping other men, castrating them to stop them from being with women.
How would you describe what was going on. What would you say to them when you'd meet them.
There is no wrong or right answer nor is this a trick question.
peace.
well if you mean me as the arab friend, then unfortunatly he didn't ask me to translaste it, I don't volunteer informations btw
peace
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Peace JHamza,
Thanks for the verses yet again.
All these verses are about the people of Lot, arent they?
Can u say for sure, that the people of lot that are spoken about in these verses were homosexuals (born that way)? Could they be heterosexuals practising homoseuality out of lustful choice, becoz of which they are scorned?We all are aware homosexuality as such is an aberration from the common 'normal'. How many of such aberrations are adressed in Quran?
Do u find verses on hermaphrodies in Quran?And as for procreation, How many homosexuals do u think exsist in the world? I think statistics in USA showed 4%.
And Is procreation a compulsion even among heterosexuals? What would u do about those heterosexual couples who choose not to have kids?And u havent adressed my previous request
And also, can u explain ur understanding of 'Polygamy' mentioned in Quran?
Peace!
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Peace idolfree1,
Thanks for ur explanations.
I understood ur views just as u have described it.You forgot to highlight the part where it says that no people in creation committed before you.
Some might think that dismisses the fact that it was homosexuality, but the explanation is that none before YOU could have done it or YOU would not be here to talk about it because Homosexuals dont create children.
Isnt the underlined part ur extended understanding of the verse?
Could it have been '' no heterosexual people before u were so lustul to choose men over women''?Peace!
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Peace Nabi,
Or Is that becoz these verses might be in ur favour that u choose to specifically give a literal meaning to it?
What is metaphorical does not have to be not literal. If you think that because the reading is interpreted metaphorically that it is not literal than I disagree with you here. I think you have misunderstood Kyle because he has given the metaphor, but like I said they can be literal which you have clearly ascertained. You have not seen the metaphor.
I agree that I dont see some of the metaphors that some of u see.
But U might have misunderstood Idolfree1's views.I am certainly not taking it literal, meaning that a man named LOT offered his daughters without thier permission to be prostitutes, no.
No, I dont know them , nor do I take the story as literal, the God is not telling us to offer our daughters up for prostitution.
I verify the story by looking at the universe, "male" and "female" are designed as a compliment to each other there is yin and yang to all of life.
It is the union of opposites that creates life, therefore "NONE BEFORE YOU HAVE DONE THIS", couldnt have, or you wouldnt be here to talk about it.
Peace!
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I don't volunteer informations btw
How charitable of you. seriousLOL
I'm chartiable with money not with info unless I'm asked, or the subject took my attention
I do a lot of charrity work for free though lol
peace
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a hetro is looking for lust with men shock
how the above make sense to anyone?
unless you call him a homo or a bio looking for lust with men, now that makes sense
but you can't call himn hetro, nice try though wink
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Peace AhmedBahgat
a hetro is looking for lust with men shock
how the above make sense to anyone?
unless you call him a homo or a bio looking for lust with men, now that makes sense
but you can't call himn hetro, nice try though wink
you mean then that homosex people are borm like that, don't you?
If you don't mean that, then you think they are born heterosexual, right?
Then, why are you surprised by the sentence?
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Peace AhmedBahgat
a hetro is looking for lust with men shock
how the above make sense to anyone?
unless you call him a homo or a bio looking for lust with men, now that makes sense
but you can't call himn hetro, nice try though wink
you mean then that homosex people are borm like that, don't you?
If you don't mean that, then you think they are born heterosexual, right?
Then, why are you surprised by the sentence?
--I don't say anything about 'bio' because I don't understand it.lol
Nice try
no no, I mean when a hetro sleeps with a man, he can't be a hetro any more, he chose to be a homo like the one he slept with him who decided to be a homoi earlier
for the bio, it means he sleeps with both, you know gettin the max of life before the judgment day, a bio, is a homo and a hetro at once
cheers
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lol
Am I amusing you?
Nice try
I try nothing.
Don't believe me if you don't want, no problem.Regarding the post, you have used 'hetero' word at the beginning of the sentence, like the other user, see? it is not strange.
mate
please i don't have time for these sort of ping pong useless discussions
if you think the homos sexual perversity is good, then fine why you want to confirm that? just let it be and when you will give account, try to convince God with your point
for me, their sexual perversity is prohibited clearly by God and the act itself is very filthy inhuman act
this love thingy the the activist try to say homosexuality is not about sex, well I don't think it is about love either, because I love my father and I love my brother and I also love my male friends that does not mean I'm homo though, for them it is all about enjoying filthy sexual acts that arouse them the most
so please homo activists, take your B S with the homo bashers, we are not homo bashers, we only saying the truth and we know the truth will be hurtful, but sorry, that is the truth your God told us, if it was not prohibited possibly we will be homos with ya and sleeping together lol , but we fear God who prohibited it, you don't fear Him, fine, take it with Him when He questions you, but please stop shoving that filth into our throats, ok, just keep it in your bed room, and if you want to teach the children this sort of fake tolerance, fine, do it with your own kids in your home, and don't shove it upon the throats of innocent children in public schools
this is bloody revolting, disgusting and sure rediculous
peace
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Peace
please i don't have time for these sort of ping pong useless discussions
I understand, please don?t reply anymore if you don?t want.
if you think the homos sexual perversity is good
I don?t think it is good. I don?t think it as perversity either but a condition different from the norm whose causes are unknown.