gay people and islam
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Peace be upon you Peaceful Muslim,
idolfree1 wrote
Peace be upon you JHamza,
You forgot to highlight the part where it says that no people in creation committed before you.Some might think that dismisses the fact that it was homosexuality, but the explanation is that none before YOU could have done it or YOU would not be here to talk about it because Homosexuals dont create children.
Peacefulmuslim
R u for the first time taking verses in the literal sense instead of metaphorising them? How come?I am certainly not taking it literal, meaning that a man named LOT offered his daughters without thier permission to be prostitutes, no.
U have metaphorised everything in the entire Quran
Not everything, just the prophetic stories, but still studying.
..........even the idea of God, Heaven, Hell, Mohammed, iblis etc.
I do not necessarilly metaphorize the God, I just dont have the God as an OBJECT out there in the skies.
U claim not to believe a person named Mohammed exsisted becoc u have no direct knowledge about him.
I do not lean in any direction regarding "Muhammad Ibn Abdulah". I have no proof of his existence or non existence. My only interest is in my spiritual GUIDANCE, which is not built from blind faith, but from KNOWLEDGE and the ability to carry out the knowledge.
Did u know the people of Lot by urself? Did u witness their deeds? How exactly did u verify them?
No, I dont know them , nor do I take the story as literal, the God is not telling us to offer our daughters up for prostitution.
I verify the story by looking at the universe, "male" and "female" are designed as a compliment to each other there is yin and yang to all of life.
It is the union of opposites that creates life, therefore "NONE BEFORE YOU HAVE DONE THIS", couldnt have, or you wouldnt be here to talk about it.
Or Is that becoz these verses might be in ur favour that u choose to specifically give a literal meaning to it?
I hope it is clear now.
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thank you brother JHamza
you last comment was great and spot on
peace be with you
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It is unfortunate that your arabic friend hasn't corrected the translations for you.
However, say you lived in a time where homosexulaity in both sexes was accepted and understood ,so much so that noboday needed terms like homo or hetro to describe these differences.
Then one day a group of men in your village started raping other men, castrating them to stop them from being with women.
How would you describe what was going on. What would you say to them when you'd meet them.
There is no wrong or right answer nor is this a trick question.
peace.
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I would be rather angry, because my free choice to be with either sex was in danger of being limited to just one?I'd let them know about it! lol
However, in this hypothetical "time" you describe, the concept of right or wrong is not present. Yet we, who are in possession of such a concept are suddenly 'dropped' into this time, and expected to answer your question.
Problematic.
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thank you brother JHamza
you last comment was great and spot on
peace be with you
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It is unfortunate that your arabic friend hasn't corrected the translations for you.
However, say you lived in a time where homosexulaity in both sexes was accepted and understood ,so much so that noboday needed terms like homo or hetro to describe these differences.
Then one day a group of men in your village started raping other men, castrating them to stop them from being with women.
How would you describe what was going on. What would you say to them when you'd meet them.
There is no wrong or right answer nor is this a trick question.
peace.
well if you mean me as the arab friend, then unfortunatly he didn't ask me to translaste it, I don't volunteer informations btw
peace
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Peace JHamza,
Thanks for the verses yet again.
All these verses are about the people of Lot, arent they?
Can u say for sure, that the people of lot that are spoken about in these verses were homosexuals (born that way)? Could they be heterosexuals practising homoseuality out of lustful choice, becoz of which they are scorned?We all are aware homosexuality as such is an aberration from the common 'normal'. How many of such aberrations are adressed in Quran?
Do u find verses on hermaphrodies in Quran?And as for procreation, How many homosexuals do u think exsist in the world? I think statistics in USA showed 4%.
And Is procreation a compulsion even among heterosexuals? What would u do about those heterosexual couples who choose not to have kids?And u havent adressed my previous request
And also, can u explain ur understanding of 'Polygamy' mentioned in Quran?
Peace!
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Peace idolfree1,
Thanks for ur explanations.
I understood ur views just as u have described it.You forgot to highlight the part where it says that no people in creation committed before you.
Some might think that dismisses the fact that it was homosexuality, but the explanation is that none before YOU could have done it or YOU would not be here to talk about it because Homosexuals dont create children.
Isnt the underlined part ur extended understanding of the verse?
Could it have been '' no heterosexual people before u were so lustul to choose men over women''?Peace!
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Peace Nabi,
Or Is that becoz these verses might be in ur favour that u choose to specifically give a literal meaning to it?
What is metaphorical does not have to be not literal. If you think that because the reading is interpreted metaphorically that it is not literal than I disagree with you here. I think you have misunderstood Kyle because he has given the metaphor, but like I said they can be literal which you have clearly ascertained. You have not seen the metaphor.
I agree that I dont see some of the metaphors that some of u see.
But U might have misunderstood Idolfree1's views.I am certainly not taking it literal, meaning that a man named LOT offered his daughters without thier permission to be prostitutes, no.
No, I dont know them , nor do I take the story as literal, the God is not telling us to offer our daughters up for prostitution.
I verify the story by looking at the universe, "male" and "female" are designed as a compliment to each other there is yin and yang to all of life.
It is the union of opposites that creates life, therefore "NONE BEFORE YOU HAVE DONE THIS", couldnt have, or you wouldnt be here to talk about it.
Peace!
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I don't volunteer informations btw
How charitable of you. seriousLOL
I'm chartiable with money not with info unless I'm asked, or the subject took my attention
I do a lot of charrity work for free though lol
peace
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a hetro is looking for lust with men shock
how the above make sense to anyone?
unless you call him a homo or a bio looking for lust with men, now that makes sense
but you can't call himn hetro, nice try though wink
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Peace AhmedBahgat
a hetro is looking for lust with men shock
how the above make sense to anyone?
unless you call him a homo or a bio looking for lust with men, now that makes sense
but you can't call himn hetro, nice try though wink
you mean then that homosex people are borm like that, don't you?
If you don't mean that, then you think they are born heterosexual, right?
Then, why are you surprised by the sentence?
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Peace AhmedBahgat
a hetro is looking for lust with men shock
how the above make sense to anyone?
unless you call him a homo or a bio looking for lust with men, now that makes sense
but you can't call himn hetro, nice try though wink
you mean then that homosex people are borm like that, don't you?
If you don't mean that, then you think they are born heterosexual, right?
Then, why are you surprised by the sentence?
--I don't say anything about 'bio' because I don't understand it.lol
Nice try
no no, I mean when a hetro sleeps with a man, he can't be a hetro any more, he chose to be a homo like the one he slept with him who decided to be a homoi earlier
for the bio, it means he sleeps with both, you know gettin the max of life before the judgment day, a bio, is a homo and a hetro at once
cheers
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lol
Am I amusing you?
Nice try
I try nothing.
Don't believe me if you don't want, no problem.Regarding the post, you have used 'hetero' word at the beginning of the sentence, like the other user, see? it is not strange.
mate
please i don't have time for these sort of ping pong useless discussions
if you think the homos sexual perversity is good, then fine why you want to confirm that? just let it be and when you will give account, try to convince God with your point
for me, their sexual perversity is prohibited clearly by God and the act itself is very filthy inhuman act
this love thingy the the activist try to say homosexuality is not about sex, well I don't think it is about love either, because I love my father and I love my brother and I also love my male friends that does not mean I'm homo though, for them it is all about enjoying filthy sexual acts that arouse them the most
so please homo activists, take your B S with the homo bashers, we are not homo bashers, we only saying the truth and we know the truth will be hurtful, but sorry, that is the truth your God told us, if it was not prohibited possibly we will be homos with ya and sleeping together lol , but we fear God who prohibited it, you don't fear Him, fine, take it with Him when He questions you, but please stop shoving that filth into our throats, ok, just keep it in your bed room, and if you want to teach the children this sort of fake tolerance, fine, do it with your own kids in your home, and don't shove it upon the throats of innocent children in public schools
this is bloody revolting, disgusting and sure rediculous
peace
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Peace
please i don't have time for these sort of ping pong useless discussions
I understand, please don?t reply anymore if you don?t want.
if you think the homos sexual perversity is good
I don?t think it is good. I don?t think it as perversity either but a condition different from the norm whose causes are unknown.
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if it was not prohibited possibly we will be homos with ya and sleeping together lol
Using ur own words, ''this is bloody revolting, disgusting and sure rediculous''.
Looks like u would have tried out everything on earth if it were not for Quran.
God save us!Peace!
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Using ur own words, ''this is bloody revolting, disgusting and sure rediculous''.
Looks like u would have tried out everything on earth if it were not for Quran.
God save us!Peace!
what a stupid comment by you that is, no I won't try this disgutsing and filthy sexual act, but for someone like you who is a homo activist it seems to me that you already tried it
Allah will never save the filthy homos, that is His law darling
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The Disease-Ridden Homosexual Lifestyle
Using various mainstream medical journals, like the New England Journal of Medicine, one can show just how seriously disease-ridden the "homosexual lifestyle" is. (The fact that the dominant media are downplaying or ignoring the following crucial information should give you a clue as to just how biased and untrustworthy and potentially detrimental they can be.)One 1982 study found that the anal cancer rate for homosexuals is way above normal, maybe as high as 50 times normal.
And a 1997 study again drew attention to the "strong association between anal cancer and male homosexual contact."
(The reason for the connection is that the lining of the anus, as opposed to the much thicker lining of the vagina, is only a single cell in thickness, tears easily, and thus is an easy point of entry for viruses and bacteria. Just as repeatedly assaulting lung tissue with cigarette smoke increases one's lung cancer risk, repeatedly damaging the anus and rectum increases one's anal cancer risk. Anal sex frequently results in damage to the anus and rectum. Too, this helps explain why AIDS is spread so easily in the homosexual community. However, even when there are not any tears in the anal lining, there is still a high risk for HIV infection because certain cells in its mucous lining can be infected and will then carry HIV deeper into one's body.)
Another study found that
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80% of syphilitic patients are homosexual;
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about one-third of homosexuals are infected with active anorectal herpes simplex viruses;
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chlamydia infects 15% of homosexuals; and
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"a host of parasites, bacterial, viral, and protozoan are all rampant in the homosexual population."
Another study found that
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amoebiasis, a parasitic disease, afflicts around 32% of homosexuals;
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giardiasis, also a parasitic disease, afflicts 14% of homosexuals (no heterosexuals in the study were found to have either amoebiasis or giardiasis);
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gonorrhea afflicts 14% of homosexuals; and
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11% of homosexuals had anal warts.
Another study found that anorectal sepsis, a potentially toxic bacterial infection, is 4 times more common in homosexual than heterosexual men.
According to another study, the "prevalence of EBV type 2 among homosexual men was significantly higher than it was among heterosexual men (39% vs. 6%)."
(That virus causes infectious mononucleosis and is associated with two types of cancer Burkitt's lymphoma and nasopharyngeal carcinoma.)
And other studies have found abnormally high rates of hepatitis B infection, prostate cancer, colitis, enteritis, proctitis, and proctocolitis in homosexual men.
In 1997 a writer for the pro-homosexual New York Times noted that a young male homosexual in America has about a 50% chance of getting H.I.V. by middle age, that many homosexuals have abandoned "safe sex" in favor of unprotected anal sex, and that the incidence of gonorrhea rose 74% among homosexuals between 1993 and 1996.
In early 2005 the Chicago Department of Public Health reported that the percentage of Chicago AIDS diagnoses connected to homo/bisexual men increased from 37% in year 2000 to 44% in 2003; and it also found that homo/bisexual men accounted for approximately 60% of Chicago syphilis cases.
Regarding lesbians, they face a higher breast cancer risk. One study of lesbians found that
"Sixty-three percent of the lesbians had never been pregnant.... Not having children increases a woman's breast cancer risk by between two to six times." Not having children also "may be a risk factor for ovarian cancer and may be implicated in endometrial cancer as well."
Another study found bacterial vaginosis occuring in 33% of the lesbians but only in 13% of heterosexual women, and found that "Cervical cytology abnormalities were uncommon but only found in the lesbians." (Those abnormalities may be precursors to cervical cancers.)
Another study of lesbians found a "relatively high prevalence of the viral STDs, herpes simplex and human papillomavirus ."
And according to another "Genital HPV infection and squamous intraepithelial lesions are common among women who are sexually active with women."
(One reason lesbians have a relatively high incidence of STDs is that, as some studies have documented, lesbians have more sexual partners than heterosexual women. For example, a large University of Chicago study concluded that lesbians have four times as many sexual partners as straight women.)
It should be noted that lesbian sexual diseases have not been researched nearly as much as male homosexual sexual diseases. This is because lesbian sex was presumed to be relatively safe. Some doctors are fairly calling for more research into the health of lesbians. With more study, we may find the "lesbian lifestyle" is not so safe after all.
Another relatively unknown fact the blood of male homosexuals tends to be so contaminated with various viruses and bacteria that all male homosexuals who have been sexually active since 1977 are barred from donating blood.
A contributing factor to all the diseases found in homosexuals is habitual promiscuity; and a contributing factor to their promiscuity is the popularity of drug use among them. As a homosexual columnist for the Windy City Times, Jose Zuniga, has reported, there is "out-of-control drug use undermining our community's health and well-being, and contributing to the transmission of sexually transmitted diseases."
Homosexual author Dennis Altman, in one of his books, likewise noted the popularity of drugs among homosexuals "What is disturbing is the degree to which much of the gay world rests on a sea of alcohol and drugs."
Liberals and their media love to restrict the rights of consenting adults who smoke (because smoking can be harmful), who drink alcohol (for obvious reasons), who own guns (because accidents and murders happen), who believe homosexual activity is immoral and penalizeable (because liberals mistakenly think that there is a right to aberrations like homosexual behavior and also think that any "speech" that reflects negatively on homosexuals----like the information you are reading on this website----should be considered "hate speech"), etc., etc. Liberals love to patronizingly restrict our freedoms ("for our own good").
However, liberals apparently believe it's perfectly okay for people to spread sexual diseases all over this country. Why, we can't restrict the rights of people who spread STDs! That's oppression and fascism! Liberals are such hypocrites.
Incidentally, spending on AIDS research is excessive, totally out-of-whack, unconscionably unfair--and homosexuals are so selfish they don't care. In the year 2000 America spent around $180 million on prostate cancer research versus around $7 billion on AIDS research, but the number of men who are stricken with prostate cancer each year in the U.S.A. is several times the number of people annually stricken with AIDS!! And in the year 2000 we spent only around $425 million on breast cancer research versus the $7 billion on AIDS research, even though the number of women who are stricken with breast cancer each year is again several times the number of people annually stricken with AIDS in this country!! It's pretty clear that homosexuals care little about those who die of prostate and breast cancers and other diseases that are relatively underfunded compared to AIDS. Where is their humanity and sense of fairness?
Another point that needs making homosexuals have done much damage to this country. For example, thousands of innocent hemophiliacs died of AIDS in years past because HIV-positive homosexuals infected the blood supply. (In 1984 "the Centers for Disease Control found 74 percent of hemophiliacs who received blood factors made from the plasma of U.S. donors were HIV positive.") And for another example, we are spending millions and millions of taxpayer dollars on anti-AIDS drugs for homosexuals who voluntarily engaged in unsafe sex. Because of these outrages homosexuals collectively owe America an apology and reparations for the damages.
To sum up, for various reasons (homosexual acts are physiologically unnatural, homosexuals are inclined to be notably promiscuous), the "homosexual lifestyle" tends to be a very unhealthy one--unhealthy both to individuals and to the society that indirectly pays for or suffers the consequences. To encourage anyone to engage in homosexual activity is clearly irresponsible and depraved.
References
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Council on Scientific Affairs, "Health care needs of gay men and lesbians in the United States," JAMA, May 1, 1996, p. 1355.
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M. Frisch and others, "Sexually transmitted infection as a cause of anal cancer," N Engl J Med, Nov. 6, 1997, p. 1350.
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S.D. Wexner, "Sexually transmitted diseases of the colon, rectum, and anus. The challenge of the nineties," Dis Colon Rectum (EAB), Dec. 1990, from the abstract, p. 1048.
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J. Christopherson and others, "Sexually transmitted diseases in hetero-, homo-and bisexual males in Copenhagen," Dan Med Bull (DYN), June 1988, from the abstract, p. 285.
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N.D. Carr and others, "Noncondylomatous, perianal disease in homosexual men," Br J Surg (B34), Oct. 1989, from the abstract, p. 1064.
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D. van Baarle and others, "High prevalence of Epstein-Barr virus type 2 among homosexual men is caused by sexual transmission," J Infect Dis, June 2000, from the abstract, p. 2045.
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K.S. Lim and others, "Role of sexual and non-sexual practices in the transmission of hepatitis B," Br J Vener Dis (B40), June 1977, from the abstract, p. 190.
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J.S. Mandel and L.M. Schumann, "Sexual factors and prostate cancer results from a case-control study," J Gerontol, May 1987, from the abstract, p. 259.
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Council on Scientific Affairs, op cit, p. 1356.
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Sheryl Gay Stolberg, "Gay Culture Weighs Sense and Sexuality," New York Times (late edition, east coast), Nov. 23, 1997, section 4, p. 1.
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Jim Ritter, "Breast cancer risk higher in lesbians," Chicago Sun-Times, Oct. 16, 1998, p. 50.
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Council on Scientific Affairs, op cit, p. 1355.
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C.J. Skinner and others, "A case-controlled study of the sexual health needs of lesbians," Genitourin Med, Aug. 1996, from the abstract, p. 227.
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A. Edwards and R.N. Thin, "Sexually transmitted diseases in lesbians," Int J STD AIDS, May 1990, from the abstract, p. 178.
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J.M. Marrazzo and others, "Genital human papillomavirus infection in women who have sex with women," J Infect Dis, Dec. 1998, from the abstract, p. 1604.
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E.O. Laurnarm and others, The social organization of sexuality sexual practices in the United States, U. of Chicago Press, 1994.
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Jose Zuniga, "Viagra Vexation," Windy City Times, May 28, 1998, p. 14.
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Dennis Altman, The Homosexualization of America, the Americanization of the Homosexual (NY St. Martin's Press, 1982), p. 222.
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Monifa Thomas, "Baxter, other drug firms hit with AIDS-related lawsuit," Chicago Sun-Times, April 25, 2005, p. 65.
Thanks for reading
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