The Message - Update
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Peace,
I myself believe that salat has different meanings throughout the Quran which depends on the context. So personally i don't agree with contact-method or bond as meaning for every salaat in the Quran.
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Peace,
I myself believe that salat has different meanings throughout the Quran which depends on the context. So personally i don't agree with contact-method or bond as meaning for every salaat in the Quran.
Like you, I don't agree with the one word - one meaning methodology.
The verb daraba is a good example of how a simple word can have multiple meanings depending of the context.Peace
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peace Layth,
I would change the following
"bonds/commitments of the messenger" in 999 as its plural.
"your bond" in 9103.
verb "turned towards" in 7531, especially if one translates the opposing comparison as "turned away" in 7532. Seems past tense.
and "turns towards / bonds" in 8715
"whilst he was bonding" in 339. It is am imperfect verb, i.e. an action in the process of being done.
"do not turn towards" in 984
And the translation of chapter 107 needs changing, specifically the bold parts
- Have you seen/considered him who is denying in the system/obligation?
- It is the one who mistreats/repels the orphan,
- And does not encourage the feeding of the poor/needy.
- So woe to the ones who go/turn towards,
- But of their bond are unaware/heedless.
- They only want to be seen,
- And withold the far-reaching deeds.
Thanks.
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peace all
why not just translate it "prayer"??
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Salaam all,
I agree with arnoldyasin and /JM/ on this issue.
Also, I think the numbering of verses should be reinstated as before. With all due respect as to how and why you have come to your conclusions on the verse numberings and order, it is still an inescapable fact that those who claim to follow the qur'an are familiar with the standard verse numbering, and thus, makes for much more conveniant referencing when having discussions with others about the qur'an and it's verses.
My 2 cents.
Salaam,
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Peace Layth, All,
My opinion on this matter probably carries the least weight since I'm still quite torn on the understanding. My one cent then how about not translating it at all. Just leave it as "salat" and save yourself the pressure of trying to encapsulate the term into one word, and also save the reader from preconception. Perhaps a disclaimer in the foreword outlining all the possible meanings, encouraging the reader to use the Qur'anic method of tasreef and context in understanding how the term may apply.
Peace,
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Salaam Layth,
I just skimmed the new translation. Well, the first thing to be noticed is the difference in the introductory essays. Especially in the section where it is listed what the quran is, any reason why you took out the one that talks about revealed by a higher power?
The next one is the numbering of ayats. I second to Damon in this one. Perhaps it will be easier for us and people who are interested in learning the quran to have a translation whose numbering follows the one used most. I know this does not mean that the popular numbering is the most correct; it's easier that's all.
Also, I agree with Tay on the issue of shalat. Just leave it untranslated, so the readers are free to draw their own conclusions about this concept. Perhaps zakat, haj, and a few others as well.
Just my Rp 2 ;D
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Peace,
Awesome! yay I like the word Bond more than contact-method just because the word contact-method is a bit too awkward in my opinion.
I've checked those verses mentioned by Wakas, and I agree that those translations actually sound better and fit the context better also.Peace and Kia Ora
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Leaving it as "salat" is not an option I would consider.
Why is the word jinn left untranslated ?
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Salaam /JM/,
You raise an interesting question and this is too, probably, a problem if we want to translate "Salat" but leave this one untranslated.
Even though I understand "Salat" as bond (among other meanings) I still think it will be a lot more fun for people to research this "Salat" issue themselves. D
I understand though that leaving it untranslated may cause confusion, especially to those who haven't read the quran at all before.
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Also, I think the numbering of verses should be reinstated as before. With all due respect as to how and why you have come to your conclusions on the verse numberings and order, it is still an inescapable fact that those who claim to follow the qur'an are familiar with the standard verse numbering, and thus, makes for much more conveniant referencing when having discussions with others about the qur'an and it's verses.
The next one is the numbering of ayats. I second to Damon in this one.
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Leaving it as "salat" is not an option I would consider.
Salaam Wakas
I'm curious why wouldn't you consider leaving it as is in the Qur'aan which is "Salaat"?
I am finding it interesting how people are translating "Salaat" differently. The Progressive Muslim now changed it to "Bond" and Safar translates it as "the commitment"...
Salaam
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I'm curious why wouldn't you consider leaving it as is in the Qur'aan which is "Salaat"?
I do not consider it an option as a translation is just that, a translation. It is not a proper noun in 'al quran', so why the capital "S"?
I am finding it interesting how people are translating "Salaat" differently. The Progressive Muslim now changed it to "Bond" and Safar translates it as "the commitment"...
I strongly recommend you looking up any Classical Arabic dictionary and seeing what it says about "salat" and its root "sawd-lam-waw", and reflecting upon how they too have seemingly translated "salat" differently.
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Salaam Wakas,
I do not consider it an option as a translation is just that, a translation. It is not a proper noun in 'al quran', so why the capital "S"?
Even though this was not addressed to me, I sometimes write it as "Salat" due to the letter Sawd used. Most of the times, I write it as "shalat" however this may confuse some people. The thing is, in Indonesian, Sawd is transliterated as "sh" while for a lot of English speaking person, "sh" means letter Shiin and "s" means the letter Siin. Thus, I use "S" to indicate Sawd. So, I always try to write it "muSaliina" rather than "mushaliina" whenever I'm conversing in English.
And yes, it is just a common noun. D
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Peace all,
Also, I think the numbering of verses should be reinstated as before. With all due respect as to how and why you have come to your conclusions on the verse numberings and order, it is still an inescapable fact that those who claim to follow the qur'an are familiar with the standard verse numbering, and thus, makes for much more conveniant referencing when having discussions with others about the qur'an and it's verses.
This has already been done nearly 2-3 months back...If you check the on-line version of The Message you will see it follows the old Hafs numbering.
Why is the word jinn left untranslated ?
I recall there was an impass on which translation fits best some years back on this issue...
If you can provide the best translation for the word, it would gladly be changed in The Message as we want to avoid using Arabic words in an English translation.
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Peace,
Can anybody here who is directly involved with the Progressive Muslims organization provide myself with a list of names of the ones who are responsible for translating the Qur'aan for the Progressive Muslims?
I did the base translation originally, then amendments/changes were continually made based on the input and suggestions of a large number of members (you can see who if you search for old posts with the title or wording
The Message.
