Good news for all messengers.:)

[anna]

I find shakir's translation, a shade better than the rest.

siki

i find the arabic the best

[truthseeker11]

Peace Belal,

434 The rijaal are supporters of the nisaa ....................................

According to your theory, if "rijaal" in 434 always means men, then it would mean that men are always supporters of women, and that women can never support men. This is completely illogical. What if the husband gets disabled? According to your narrow mindedness and mistranslation, the wife cannot support the disabled husband because she is not among the "qawwamoon", and she can tell her disabled husband "men are supporters of women so even though you are disabled and cannot go out on foot to earn livelihood and support me, I am just going to sit at home and do nothing to support ourselves, even though I am well qualified to get a nice job, and you need to support me; I don't care if you are disabled".

In such a case of a disabled husband, the wife will become the "rajul"/the one who goes out on foot, and the husband will be among the "nisaa". The wife/"rajul" will go out on foot to earn livelihood and support the disabled husband.

Also, the husband and wife can mutually decide that the husband will stay home to take care of the kids, and the wife will go out on foot to earn livelihood, and in that case, the wife will again be the "rajul".

According to you, in reality there are no mushrikeen, mujrimeen, thalimeen, mufsideen, zaani etc. etc. Then why does al-quran talk about them and describe them in detail?

According to you, in reality there are no zaani. Why does God say this then?

243 The zaani will only marry a zaaniyatan or one who is an idolatress. And the zaaniyatan, she will only be married to a zaani or an idolater. And this has been forbidden for the believers.

According to you, in reality there are no homosexuals. Then why does God say this?

416 And the two men who commit it from amongst you, you shall trouble them. If they repent and amend, then leave them alone. God is Redeemer, Merciful.

Al-quran states facts, and those facts cannot contradict with what happens in reality. Thousands of husbands/brothers/fathers in reality are disabled and their wives/sisters/daughters support them, but according to your theories that cannot happen.

[unknownuser]

Peace Belal,

434 The rijaal are supporters of the nisaa ....................................

According to your theory, if "rijaal" in 434 always means men, then it would mean that men are always supporters of women, and that women can never support men. This is completely illogical. What if the husband gets disabled? According to your narrow mindedness and mistranslation, the wife cannot support the disabled husband because she is not among the "qawwamoon", and she can tell her disabled husband "men are supporters of women so even though you are disabled and cannot go out on foot to earn livelihood and support me, I am just going to sit at home and do nothing to support ourselves, even though I am well qualified to get a nice job, and you need to support me; I don't care if you are disabled".

In such a case of a disabled husband, the wife will become the "rajul"/the one who goes out on foot, and the husband will be among the "nisaa". The wife/"rajul" will go out on foot to earn livelihood and support the disabled husband.

Also, the husband and wife can mutually decide that the husband will stay home to take care of the kids, and the wife will go out on foot to earn livelihood, and in that case, the wife will again be the "rajul".

According to you, in reality there are no mushrikeen, mujrimeen, thalimeen, mufsideen, zaani etc. etc. Then why does al-quran talk about them and describe them in detail?

According to you, in reality there are no zaani. Why does God say this then?

243 The zaani will only marry a zaaniyatan or one who is an idolatress. And the zaaniyatan, she will only be married to a zaani or an idolater. And this has been forbidden for the believers.

According to you, in reality there are no homosexuals. Then why does God say this?

416 And the two men who commit it from amongst you, you shall trouble them. If they repent and amend, then leave them alone. God is Redeemer, Merciful.

Al-quran states facts, and those facts cannot contradict with what happens in reality. Thousands of husbands/brothers/fathers in reality are disabled and their wives/sisters/daughters support them, but according to your theories that cannot happen.

Salam truthseeker,

Well done. bravo

Salam,
Arnab

[SwedenMajidah]

Peace,

http//ca.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlUL1mPT1TA

In this videoclip you can read that the Bible mentions two female messengers by name.

Maria

[Bahman]

Peace,

http//ca.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlUL1mPT1TA

In this videoclip you can read that the Bible mentions two female messengers by name.

Maria

Peace sister
Quran is detailed and complete and confirms previous scripture.
When we believe in Quran Alone then there is no room for any other scripture.
Mixing older and last revelation could lead to another confusion.
But finally Where is Clear Proof
I have posted that clip in her site but I can not find it , may was censored, all Quran messages!!!
I have asked her to visit here and tell us more.
God knows best and knows our innermost thought.
Peace.

[SwedenMajidah]

Peace sister
Quran is detailed and complete and confirms previous scripture.
When we believe in Quran Alone then there is no room for any other scripture.
Mixing older and last revelation could lead to another confusion.
But finally Where is Clear Proof
I have posted that clip in her site but I can not find it , may was censored, all Quran messages!!!
I have asked her to visit here and tell us more.
God knows best and knows our innermost thought.
Peace.

Peace Br,

Where in Quran it says " Quran Alone? I know it says " God Alone" for sure.
I think it's not wrong to also read The Bible because to fully understand Quran begin to read the Bible and then the Quran. I don't know about your message to her, but what i have seen is that everything she says is quotes from either the Bible or the Quran and that is good. She not use her own words to try to create new hadiths or something.

Maria

[SwedenMajidah]

Peace,

Here is another clips from her

http//uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xyQLiK8fHXA&NR=1

Arguments of christians and muslims nullified says the title part 74.

Maria

[Ahmad_Bilal]

Peace Maria,

Where in Quran it says " Quran Alone? I know it says " God Alone" for sure.

We place shields around their minds, to prevent them from understanding it, and deafness in their ears. And when you preach your Lord, using the QURAN ALONE, they run away in aversion. (1746)

I think it's not wrong to also read The Bible because to fully understand Quran begin to read the Bible and then the Quran. I don't know about your message to her, but what i have seen is that everything she says is quotes from either the Bible or the Quran and that is good. She not use her own words to try to create new hadiths or something.

A lot of Biblical scriptures have been corrupted and intentionally mistranslated, and although some of them convey right knowledge, some of them are illogical and unreasonable. However, the Quran, according to GOD Himself, confirms the Torah and the Injeel of Jesus, and He recites the previous scriptures to give us guidance and understanding. For example, instead of the Quran telling us to follow the example of Abraham in monotheism, expecting us to look in the Torah/Bible for information, it recites stories about Abraham, and it gives us an example to follow. Instead of the Quran saying, "Learn about what happened to Moses," expecting us to do a search through the Bible to find the Jewish story of him, GOD's message re-recites those scriptures so that we can gain assurance, which is why it is so often called "the reminder". When the message says for us to follow the previous scriptures, it was speaking specifically about the Quran, because in the "Final Testiment", the previous scriptures are explained and confirmed, re-recited for everyone to know the truth on the matter.

Peace,

Ahmad

[SwedenMajidah]

Peace Maria,

We place shields around their minds, to prevent them from understanding it, and deafness in their ears. And when you preach your Lord, using the QURAN ALONE, they run away in aversion. (1746)

A lot of Biblical scriptures have been corrupted and intentionally mistranslated, and although some of them convey right knowledge, some of them are illogical and unreasonable. However, the Quran, according to GOD Himself, confirms the Torah and the Injeel of Jesus, and He recites the previous scriptures to give us guidance and understanding. For example, instead of the Quran telling us to follow the example of Abraham in monotheism, expecting us to look in the Torah/Bible for information, it recites stories about Abraham, and it gives us an example to follow. Instead of the Quran saying, "Learn about what happened to Moses," expecting us to do a search through the Bible to find the Jewish story of him, GOD's message re-recites those scriptures so that we can gain assurance, which is why it is so often called "the reminder". When the message says for us to follow the previous scriptures, it was speaking specifically about the Quran, because in the "Final Testiment", the previous scriptures are explained and confirmed, re-recited for everyone to know the truth on the matter.

Peace,

Ahmad

Peace Br,

Thanks for showing me a verse which mention "Quran Alone" in it. But it's obvious that Quran Alone is used in this verse to point out that for ex hadiths are not to be followed beside Quran.

I am totally aware that there are alot of mistranlations of the Bible but that is what Quran is for, to make clear what has been revealed. And if any verses in the Bible contradicts The Quran then we are sure it's not from God.

Maria

[Bahman]

Peace Maria,
We place shields around their minds, to prevent them from understanding it, and deafness in their ears. And when you preach your Lord, using the QURAN ALONE, they run away in aversion. (1746)

Peace and God bless you )
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Peace

[SwedenMajidah]

Peace br Bahman and all,

Sister Becca has replied on a message from me, but i didn't asked about her messengerhood.

I asked of her background.

And she said that she only speaks English and that she first was christian and then a jehovas witness and converted to islam and then now call herself a believer " submitter" who preach the message from both the Bible and the Quran.

Maria

[SwedenMajidah]

Peace,

Sis Becca hello again Maria, that is what i found too. the Submitters are better guided than other Sects of Islam, but they are incorrect about many things too. definitely the Hadiths are wrong. also, the Quran clearly says you are to believe in the Previous Scriptures. Muslims excuse for rejecting the Bible is invalid. because it was already altered before the Quran. most of the Bible is true and important...with the Quran we know what was altered. (Parts 46,50 and 74) peace again

Maria

[SwedenMajidah]

Peace,

Sorry this is the first part of her replies to me!

Sis Becca hello Maria,
nice to meet you.
i was raised Christian. my Grandfather was a Preacher. when i was in my early 20's i become one of Jehovah's Witnesses...for 13 years. then i left and wasn't any religion for about 7 years...
WhereIsTruth (50 minutes ago) Show Hide Marked as spam Reply ...in January of 07 i discovered the Quran.
i briefly converted to Islam but discovered they follow these books called Hadiths...which were a contradiction to the Quran. it was then that i realized i was a Believer and i have been doing this preaching work, delivering the dual-Message of the Bible and Quran, ever since.
peace upon you
WhereIsTruth (48 minutes ago) Show Hide Marked as spam Reply p.s.
i only speak English

Maria

[truthseeker11]

Peace everyone,

It can only be Lord alone in 1746 and not quran alone, according to Arabic grammar and linguistics. The translation quoted by Ahmad is incorrect. The correct translation is

1746 And we place shields over their hearts, that they should not understand it, and a deafness in their ears. And if you mention your Lord alone in the Qur?an, they run away turning their backs in aversion.

The Arabic word is "wahdahu" which can only refer to "rabbaka" according to Arabic grammar, and cannot refer to "alquran"; it does not matter where the position of "wahdahu" is. If it was "wahdihi", then it would be referring to alquran.

In addition to that, the context of 1746 starting from 1739 is about God alone versus other gods with Him, so it has to be Lord alone in 1746.

1739 That is from what your Lord has inspired to you of the wisdom. And do not make with God another god, or you will be cast into Hell, blameworthy and regretting.
1740 Has your Lord preferred for you the males, while He takes the females as angels? You are indeed saying a great thing!
1741 And We have clarified in this Qur?an so they may remember, but it only increases their aversion!
1742 Say ?If there had been gods with Him as they say, then they would have tried to gain a way to the throne.?
1743 Be He glorified and High from what they say, a great falsehood.
1744 He is glorified by the seven universes and the Earth and who is in them, and there is not a thing but it glorifies His praise, but you do not comprehend their glorification. He is Compassionate, Forgiving.
1745 And when you read the Qur?an, We place between you and those who do not believe in the Hereafter an invisible barrier.
1746 And we place shields over their hearts, that they should not understand it, and a deafness in their ears. And if you mention your Lord alone in the Qur?an, they run away turning their backs in aversion.

The whole passage is about "tawheed" or oneness of God and mention and glorification of God alone i.e. Lord alone, and not about "quran alone". Please note that 1741 is similar to 1746, both clearly referring to increase in their aversion because of oneness of God being clarified/mentioned in al-quran

1741 And We have clarified in this Qur?an so they may remember, but it only increases their aversion!
1746 .......................And if you mention your Lord alone in the Qur?an, they run away turning their backs in aversion.

Please see the discussion in the following threads on this issue

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=15158.0
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13288.0

[belH]

Peace Belal,

434 The rijaal are supporters of the nisaa ....................................

According to your theory, if "rijaal" in 434 always means men, then it would mean that men are always supporters of women, and that women can never support men. This is completely illogical.

Is it Logical that God calls a Man

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What if the husband gets disabled? According to your narrow mindedness and mistranslation, the wife cannot support the disabled husband because she is not among the "qawwamoon", and she can tell her disabled husband "men are supporters of women so even though you are disabled and cannot go out on foot to earn livelihood and support me, I am just going to sit at home and do nothing to support ourselves, even though I am well qualified to get a nice job, and you need to support me; I don't care if you are disabled".

nope
If a man gets disable and his wife supports him, the Man will still be the Head of the household and the Female will still be

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Did you get it with your WIDE Minde

Please reread my first post to you so you would know how to reply; Disputing is never been fun.
yes

[truthseeker11]

Peace Belal,

There are different issues being discussed in 434 which are separate.

FIRST PART ------> The rijaal/"the ones who go out on foot" are to support the nisaa/"the ones who stay behind" by what God has bestowed on them over one another and for what they spend of their money.

END OF FIRST PART

SECOND PART ------> The upright women are dutiful; keeping private the personal matters for what God keeps watch over. As for those women from whom you fear desertion, then you shall advise them, and abandon them in the bedchamber, and separate from them. If they respond to you, then do not seek a way over them; God is High, Great.

"Saalihaat qaanitaat haafizaat lilghaib" is not referring to "nisaa" but dealing with a separate issue. Both parts explain separate issues. The first part about "rijaal"/"the ones who go out on foot" (could be male or female) being "qawwamoon", and the second part about upright women being dutiful and keeping private the personal matters.

[belH]

Peace Belal,

There are different issues being discussed in 434 which are separate.

FIRST PART ------> The rijaal/"the ones who go out on foot" are to support the nisaa/"the ones who stay behind" by what God has bestowed on them over one another and for what they spend of their money.

END OF FIRST PART

SECOND PART ------> The upright women are dutiful; keeping private the personal matters for what God keeps watch over. As for those women from whom you fear desertion, then you shall advise them, and abandon them in the bedchamber, and separate from them. If they respond to you, then do not seek a way over them; God is High, Great.

nope the verse is well-established. You can not divided in order to win the debate.

[truthseeker11]

Peace Belal,

Firstly, I am not in a debate, but just expressing my understanding.

Secondly, the positions of the verse dividers/markers/stops are completely man made. Actually they are not "verses" but "ayaat"/signs. The ayaat/signs have to be understood by their context and grammar and cross reference (tasreef) and using logic and reason (aqal), and not by using completely fabricated man made positions of dividers/markers/stops.

Please see the following thread where even Layth agrees with the position of the verse markers being arbitrary

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9567.0

No further comments on this issue from me (remember, I am not debating anything).

[belH]

Salam truthseeker,

Well done. bravo

Salam,
Arnab

Peace Arnab

Verse 2-222 speaks about Nessa Menstruation
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2-231, 232 speaks about divorcig the Nessa

.

3-42 speaks about Mariam as being blessed by Allah over all the Nessa

(&#65279

How about this one 4-32

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Please note how the verb Ektasbo constructed with Rejal and with Nessa. can you see that the verb with Rejal is a Male Verb and with Nessa is a Female Verb.

Arnab, I can go on in posting clear Verses to prove my point; but I see that even if what I posted were the only verses in Quran regarding our dispute, the dispute is clearly solved.

Peace

[Bahman]

Peace and God bless you )
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Peace

In designing of above verse text 19 letters has been used in frequency of 57 ( 3x19) ( 57Q) .
These 19 letters are
11 initial letters of total of 14 has been used 9 of these initials are same as 9 in Bsm ?. Verse

http//submission.org/suras/sura17.html
Quran The ONLY Source

We place shields around their minds, to prevent them from understanding it, and deafness in their ears. And when you preach your Lord, using the Quran alone, they run away in aversion.

We are fully aware of what they hear, when they listen to you, and when they conspire secretly - the disbelievers say, "You are following a crazy man."

Note how they describe you, and how this causes them to stray off the path.

They said, "After we turn into bones and fragments, we get resurrected anew?!"

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*1746 The Arabic word "alone" refers to God in 770, 3945, 4012 & 84, and 604. If you add these numbers, you get 361, 19x19. But if you include 1746, which refers to the Quran, the product is not a multiple of 19. "Alone," therefore refers to the Quran in 1746 (Appendix 18.).
1576 91625 Quran
All You Need For Salvation

The words of the Quran speak in 1964, saying,
"We come down in accordance with the commandments of your Lord. To Him belongs the past, present, and the future. Your Lord never forgets."
God did not forget, for example, to tell us how to sleep (18109, 3127).
Yet, the fabricators of such false doctrine as Hadith & Sunna have come up with
religious teachings dictating to their followers how to sleep, and
even how to cut your nails.
The Sacred Mosque in Mecca and the illegal "Sacred Mosque" of Medina, hire some individuals to seek out the exhausted visitors and beat them with a stick if they fall asleep on the wrong side!

The Quran proclaims that the Quran is complete, perfect, and fully detailed
(619, 38, 114, 115; 5045), and that religious regulations
not specifically instituted in the Quran constitute a religion other
than Islam, i.e., Submisssion (4221, 1746).
The true believers uphold the Quran, the whole Quran, and nothing but the Quran. This principle is confirmed by the Quran's mathematical code. Verse 46 of
Sura 17 proclaims that we shall uphold the Quran ALONE.
The word "ALONE" occurs in the Quran 6 times
770, 1746, 3945, 40 12 & 84, and 604.
All these occurrences refer to God, except 1746.
When we add the numbers of suras and verses which refer to
"GOD ALONE,"
we get 361, 19x19. This proves that 1746 refers to "the Quran ALONE."

http//y19.net/appind.htm