If for the Men there will be hooris,what will there be for women in Paradise?
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Salam
I have seen several place that there will be houris(hours) which are extremely beautiful in Jannah..
But it was never mentionned what will there be for women..
If you could find anything about it please do tell me Inshah AllahFee Amanillah
Sister Soraya
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This question has been dealt with in some other threads. You may search for them. Where in the Quran does it say that hooris are for men, or for men only or that hooris are only and exclusively females? ?Or what do you think hooris are there for? ?What do you think of the Ghulam mentioned also as companions in paradise? ?Do you also think they are for men?
Again, please, search the previous threads.
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"hawariyyun", which is plural of "huri", which is derived from the root word "hur" which means a very beautiful human-creation of Allah Almighty.
So the word "hur" or "huri" in the Noble Quran and Arabic can refer to either a male or female and NOT JUST FEMALES ALONE, thus making the hoori-aayn or huri-aayn of Paradise be either males huri-aayn or females huri-aayn, because "huri-aayn" is derived from the root word "hur".
"And behold! I inspired the disciples to have faith in Me and Mine Messenger. they said, 'We have faith, and do you bear witness that we bow to Allah as Muslims'".
Waith awhaytu ila al-hawariyyeena an aminoo bee wabirasoolee qaloo amanna waishhad biannana muslimoona
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Mashah Allah
I did not know abt this one..
Anyways the traditionalists in Musjid here translated it by women..very beautiful onesJazaak Allah
Of course they would translate it to mean women, thats their 'lustful' nature.
Allah indicates in the Quran that lustful desires of the 'nafs' will NOT be rewarded in Jannah / Paradise.
And for such as had entertained the fear of standing before their Lord's (tribunal) and have RESTRAINED (THEIR) SOUL FROM LOWER DESIRES,
Their abode will be the Garden.
The character of a Mumin is defined in the following ayahs
The believers must (eventually) win through,-
Those who humble themselves in their Prayers;
Who avoid vain talk;
Who are active in deeds of charity;
Who abstain from sex,
Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame,
But those whose desires EXCEED those limits are transgressors;-
Those who faithfully observe their trusts and their covenants;
And who (strictly) guard their Prayers;-
These will be the heirs,
Who will inherit Paradise. they will dwell therein (for ever). -
Mashah Allah
I did not know abt this one..
Anyways the traditionalists in Musjid here translated it by women..very beautiful onesJazaak Allah
Hi everyone is busy talking about herein for men and women nobody cares about she males why God never mention them '(
Note a year before ppls called me sister for advocating their right and i know somebody will call me a she male but I?m not I?m just a human and wondering why god never mentioned the.
Any way where god said that these hurain is for sex they may be for your service. eat yes
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Afridi, I know how sensible and sensitive to the sexes mistreatment you are in all your posts and here you touch also on stereotypes as opposed to archetypes. Those who as soon as they hear something told to people (and people are always male, unless explicitly and specifically it is stated that they are male and female) in connection with something or someone who is as a reward for males, automatically it is female they are going to profit from, be them hooris, be them whores, be them their mothers their wives... And anything else, however masculine they may be, must also be for some male benefit. It would be proposterous, can't we see that it could have been thought for females. Therefore the ghulam are also there in paradise to satisfy, but not sexually, just to serve them.
Going to archetypes, that kind of obssessed males (the ones I am talking about, which are a huge number) do not seem to consider that the Quran may be using them. That a hoori could be just some image, archetype, representation of beauty, inner beauty, companionable, restfulness, etc. and regardless of gender just doesn't occur to them. That the ghulam could be something of the same kind, also the same. That a male may act just as an archtypal haughty lady. That a woman may respond to wharrior archtype... The Quran, our religion has always given plenty of weight to companionship, comradeship, relationshps of equality. The followers of the Prophet, differently form the followers of other religious founders, were not called disciples or followers, but companions ?what an indication! Company for humans beings is full of beauty it is inspiring, it is also inspiring for the akhira, but company has nothing to do with sex. Sex is not company, it may be accompanied by company, but it is not and as it was stated in some other thread on this subject, people will not die nor be born in paradise. So no need for sex. There may be something that in this world sex is an allegory of. But no reproduction, no foundation for sexual organs nor functions. Deep abandonement of the self will be felt and expressed spiritually not physiologically. So women or men, it will be the same, it will be beauty, peace, purity, acceptance and understanding, beautiful and pure companionship and deep love and worship of God.
That is at least my very timid and tentative feeling on this question based on the data at hand.
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Afridi, I know how sensible and sensitive to the sexes mistreatment you are in all your posts and here you touch also on stereotypes as opposed to archetypes. Those who as soon as they hear something told to people (and people are always male, unless explicitly and specifically it is stated that they are male and female) in connection with something or someone who is as a reward for males, automatically it is female they are going to profit from, be them hooris, be them whores, be them their mothers their wives... And anything else, however masculine they may be, must also be for some male benefit. It would be proposterous, can't we see that it could have been thought for females. Therefore the ghulam are also there in paradise to satisfy, but not sexually, just to serve them.
Going to archetypes, that kind of obssessed males (the ones I am talking about, which are a huge number) do not seem to consider that the Quran may be using them. That a hoori could be just some image, archetype, representation of beauty, inner beauty, companionable, restfulness, etc. and regardless of gender just doesn't occur to them. That the ghulam could be something of the same kind, also the same. That a male may act just as an archtypal haughty lady. That a woman may respond to wharrior archtype... The Quran, our religion has always given plenty of weight to companionship, comradeship, relationshps of equality. The followers of the Prophet, differently form the followers of other religious founders, were not called disciples or followers, but companions ?what an indication! Company for humans beings is full of beauty it is inspiring, it is also inspiring for the akhira, but company has nothing to do with sex. Sex is not company, it may be accompanied by company, but it is not and as it was stated in some other thread on this subject, people will not die nor be born in paradise. So no need for sex. There may be something that in this world sex is an allegory of. But no reproduction, no foundation for sexual organs nor functions. Deep abandonement of the self will be felt and expressed spiritually not physiologically. So women or men, it will be the same, it will be beauty, peace, purity, acceptance and understanding, beautiful and pure companionship and deep love and worship of God.
That is at least my very timid and tentative feeling on this question based on the data at hand.
Peace Huruf
Very will explained, The problem why ppls thinks hurain are beautiful women and they are for men only cose all the clergy are male and very found of sex since they have no work and their minds are free and used by their great uncle >D -
The way of extracting meaning from the Quran on this subject and many others, always make me think of the French saying that goes
L'amour c'est comme un auberge espagnol on y mange ce que l'on aporte.
Love is like a Spanish inn, you eat there what you yourself bring with you.
Or as Jesus is said to have said in the Gospel
"It is not what goes into them what defiles men, but what goes out of them".
And all the praise of virginity (archetype) and "ummy"(ness) archetype also) is about that. Do not bring with you any bagagge when you approach the Quran, be an unwritten page, an empty blackboard, have no past, have no knowledge... be empty, so that the quran may fill you to the brim. If you have something in yourself already, you will contaminate the Quran. We must be virgins so that we may know that which comes on to us in its full power.
Of course, to be 100% virgin, illiterate, empty is impossible. But we must try our best at emptying as much as possible of our balast.
When you come to think of it, those fantasys about as many partners for sexual orgies as you can handle in Paradise, are really funny. It is the kind of thing you would expect in some magazine comic.
Salaam
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The way of extracting meaning from the Quran on this subject and many others, always make me think of the French saying that goes
L'amour c'est comme un auberge espagnol on y mange ce que l'on aporte.
Love is like a Spanish inn, you eat there what you yourself bring with you.
Or as Jesus is said to have said in the Gospel
"It is not what goes into them what defiles men, but what goes out of them".
And all the praise of virginity (archetype) and "ummy"(ness) archetype also) is about that. Do not bring with you any bagagge when you approach the Quran, be an unwritten page, an empty blackboard, have no past, have no knowledge... be empty, so that the quran may fill you to the brim. If you have something in yourself already, you will contaminate the Quran. We must be virgins so that we may know that which comes on to us in its full power.
Of course, to be 100% virgin, illiterate, empty is impossible. But we must try our best at emptying as much as possible of our balast.
When you come to think of it, those fantasys about as many partners for sexual orgies as you can handle in Paradise, are really funny. It is the kind of thing you would expect in some magazine comic.
Salaam
And who wrote those root the same ppls hadith followers why we cannot use common sensehmm
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peace be upon you all,
the descriptions of paradise are allegorical!, not literary...
no reason to discuss this because only GOD knows what paradise is.
just put your faith in GOD and trust Him.
remember that GOD says in the quran that every beliver will be pleased with their reward in paradise!
and, all your wishes will be fulfilled in paradise!
what a great abode for the righteousyay
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peace be upon you all,
the descriptions of paradise are allegorical!, not literary...
no reason to discuss this because only GOD knows what paradise is.
just put your faith in GOD and trust Him.
remember that GOD says in the quran that every beliver will be pleased with their reward in paradise!
and, all your wishes will be fulfilled in paradise!
what a great abode for the righteousyay
Assalaam Alaikum
Be you foremost (in seeking) Forgiveness from your Lord, and a Garden / Jannah, the width whereof is as the width of heaven and earth, prepared for those who believe in God and His apostles. that is the Grace of God, which He bestows on whom he pleases. and God is the Lord of Grace abounding.
Paradise is in this world.....
As to those who believe and work righteous deeds, they have, for their entertainment, the Gardens of Paradise / jannatu alfirdawsi,
alfirdawsi fertile land, opulence, fruitful, prosperous
For them are glad tidings, in the LIFE OF THE PRESENT and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah. This is indeed the supreme felicity.
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Salam
I have seen several place that there will be houris(hours) which are extremely beautiful in Jannah..
But it was never mentionned what will there be for women..
If you could find anything about it please do tell me Inshah AllahPeace all
There is nothing in Quran that shows rewards for Females, as were for Male (Hoor).
Why is that?Because Humans, when entring Heaven or Hillfire will be Single Souls--The Male Soule and the Female Soul Will be Joined, as when first created (Adam Soul).
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O mankind! reverence your Guardian-Lord Who created you from a single Soul; and from it (the Soul) He created his mate; and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women; fear Allah, through Whom ye demand your mutual (rights) and (reverence) the wombs (that bore you) for Allah ever watches over you.` (4-1)
We will be resurrected as we were created, SINGLE SOUL
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And when the souls are joined (81-7)(
And your creation or your resurrection is in no wise but as an Single soul
for Allah is He Who hears and sees (all things). (31-2Here are more verses
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"And behold! ye come to Us Singls as We created you for the first time
Ye have left behind you all (the favours) which We bestowed on you We see not with you your intercessors whom ye thought to be partners in your affairs so now all relations between you have been cut off, and your (pet) fancies have left you in the lurch!" (6-94)(
And they will be marshalled before thy Lord in ranks, "Now have ye come to Us as We created you first
aye, ye thought We shall not fulfil the appointment made to you to meet (Us)!" (18-4(
The Day that we roll up the heavens like a scroll rolled up for books even as We produced the first Creation, so shall We return them (as they were before) a promise We have undertaken truly shall We fulfil it. (21-104)Can I conclude that Humans will not be Male and Female but one Complete Soul (not missing the Female Part or the Male Part) as was created in the beginning (the Creation of Adam Single Soul).
If this is true, can we say that When God explained that Heaven ?In them will be (Maidens), chaste, restraining their glances, whom no man or Jinn before them has touched (55-56)? is because Humans (Male or Female) will be?.Males.In the following link, you will find my more details
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9596958.0 -
Peace all
I would like to addthe Two Souls will be, a Pair in a Single Body, as they were when creating ADAM. The Soul will be comfrtable as when were created.
Now, can each Soul (Male and Female) in the one Body feels that they were rewarded due to their Good Deeds? Yes.
But How? How can Soraya Nafs and "A" Nafs, if Soraya Nafs were to be joined by a Male Nafs that were named "A", enjoy or suffere in Heaven or Hellfire, in one Body? I can tell you that both will like, if in heaven, HOOR Eleain and the Jolman (The Kids); and in Hellfire, both will suffer the Fire.
Salam -
Assalaam Alaikum
The FIRST and LAST Nature of human development is feminine
The term nafsin wahidtin / in Sura 4.1 & kanafsin wahidatin / in Sura 31.28 & an-nufoosu zuwwijat / in Sura 81.7 is all FEMININE.
The governance of the soul on the Day of Qiyamah is feminine!
Again, what will explain to you what the Day of Judgment is?
(It will be) THE DAY WHEN NO SOUL SHALL HAVE POWER (to do) aught for another / la tamliku nafsun linafsin . For the command, that Day, will be (wholly) with Allah.
tamliku (imperfect, 3rd person feminine, singular) to have power, authority, control
nafsun / nafsin (feminine) soulI dont know where you got this statement or reference from "(55-56)? is because Humans (Male or Female) will be?.Males"
correction(s) sura 6.94 is mistranslation furada / meaning 'lonely state, alone, no companions' NOT 'Singls' as in a 'single soul'
