If for the Men there will be hooris,what will there be for women in Paradise?
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I dont know where you got this statement or reference from "(55-56)? is because Humans (Male or Female) will be?.Males"
Peace all
Hoor El3ean are Females( ( (
The verbs in red fonts can only be used for Females (Verse 55-56 and 5
And the ones who will be rewarded by females Cann't be Females.Why cann't you accept that Our first Creation was Single Soul--ADAM--Male.
and if our last creation=First; Then it will= Male.
I hope you do not not think that Female is less than Male (By the way I love and like females more that Males), but God knows better when He decides.
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Peace all
Hoor El3ean are Females( ( (
The verbs in red fonts can only be used for Females (Verse 55-56 and 5
And the ones who will be rewarded by females Cann't be Females.Why cann't you accept that Our first Creation was Single Soul--ADAM--Male.
and if our last creation=First; Then it will= Male.
I hope you do not not think that Female is less than Male (By the way I love and like females more that Males), but God knows better when He decides.
PeaceAssalaam Alaikum
uuh excuse me, but hoori / hoor / hooriayn is NOT in Sura 5556-58
Please clarify and illustrate your position cogently and succinctly
Secondly, I gave you the grammatical construct of the words, they are feminine, period. You cant change that, so accept it.
He created you (all) from a single essence / Nafsin Widatin. then created, of like nature, his mate; and he sent down for you eight genes / Al-'An`m in pairs. He makes you, in the wombs of your mothers, in stages, one after another, in three stages of development/ Khalqin F ?ulumtin Thalthin. such is Allah, your Lord and Cherisher. to Him belongs (all) dominion. There is no god but He. then how are you turned away (from your true Centre)?
Science has confirmed
The germ layers begin to form quite early in human embryonic development. The OUTERMOST LAYERS IS CALLED THE ECTODERM. The INNERMOST LAYER IS THE ENDODERM. BETWEEN THESE TWO GERM LAYERS LIES THE MESODERM. At first these three germ layers are more or less uniform. Soon they begin to take different characteristics. In each layers of embryo, tissues and organs begin to take shape. Every adult organ is identified with one of these three germ layers of darkness.
100% of the mtDNA contribution to a zygote is inherited from the mother and this is true for most, but not all, organisms. Thus when scientists wish to 'trace' human evolution they can use the DNA from females to trace humanities geographic origins!
All females are related by their DNA, because Allah created and developed the human being from ONE single essence, that essence is feminine.
Secondly, The gender of the foetus is determined by the feminine hormones 'bathing' the foetus in the womb.
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Peace all
Hoor El3ean are Females( ( (
The verbs in red fonts can only be used for Females (Verse 55-56 and 5
And the ones who will be rewarded by females Cann't be Females.Why cann't you accept that Our first Creation was Single Soul--ADAM--Male.
and if our last creation=First; Then it will= Male.
I hope you do not not think that Female is less than Male (By the way I love and like females more that Males), but God knows better when He decides.
PeaceBelalhamd, that that first soul was male you are inventing it, it is not in the Quran. You only take one instance where feminine is used in connection with hoor and ignore all the others where it can be either male or female and you ignore the ayas where females and males will be rewarded equally. You also ignore that according to knowledge at hand, humans are females basically and tha later along their development there is something, I am not sure about the mechanism, whereby if it intervenes it modifies the basic nature to make them into male, and if it doesn't they stay females. Then you take ghulam and take it that they are made for males again, whereas following your logic if you take the hoor to be for males you should take the ghulam for the females. In fact I think you are taking the Quranic ayas and adapting them to your theory and not the opposite. I know you like this theory very much. But it is just your theory and may be Plato's. Sexuation is necessary in the dunya for reproduction. In the akhira no reproduction that they Quran mentions nor death, therefore sexuation is meaninglesse females, but as far as the Quran states all be will be simply inhabitants of janna. Your assertion that those who can be rewarded by females cannot be females springs from your belief, not confirmed by Quraan, that the reward will be sexual physical activity. If you apply that to the ghulam you will come also the conclusion that the ghulam cannot be for males, they must be for females.
Again there is this aya where it is plainly stated that in these descriptions a language is used that must not be taken to the dot, but that its meaning is as images to describe something which we now are not able to see, except that those who do much good may feel something akin, and that is spiritual, it is not the feeling of having fun with the wife or the husband, although that may also be an allegory of something in paradise, but not sexual flesh activity like the one you seem to think that should be meant.
As to your theory of joining the nafs, there is not hint of that in the Quran, because in the Quran what came from one nafs were finally many, many nafs. And as to be joined, it seems that those that in sha Allah will attin janna will indeed by joined by the deepest bond, all of them, the love of God without the earthly veil. Being male or female is just part of the trial in this world and of this stafe of our return to Him. It is not stated as a condition in janna nor does the Quran say that each male and each female will be joined in one inhabitant of janna nor can I see that the way you derive that conclusion is warranted by the Quran. But, of course, we all know very little and Allah knows best.
Salaam
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Peace all
I would like to addthe Two Souls will be, a Pair in a Single Body, as they were when creating ADAM. The Soul will be comfrtable as when were created.
Now, can each Soul (Male and Female) in the one Body feels that they were rewarded due to their Good Deeds? Yes.
But How? How can Soraya Nafs and "A" Nafs, if Soraya Nafs were to be joined by a Male Nafs that were named "A", enjoy or suffere in Heaven or Hellfire, in one Body? I can tell you that both will like, if in heaven, HOOR Eleain and the Jolman (The Kids); and in Hellfire, both will suffer the Fire.
SalamWhy not all souls in one body Baba Adam so we can escaped punishment, yay rotfl
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Belalhamd, that that first soul was male you are inventing it, it is not in the Quran. You only take one instance where feminine is used in connection with hoor and ignore all the others where it can be either male or female and you ignore the ayas where females and males will be rewarded equally. You also ignore that according to knowledge at hand, humans are females basically and tha later along their development there is something, I am not sure about the mechanism, whereby if it intervenes it modifies the basic nature to make them into male, and if it doesn't they stay females. Then you take ghulam and take it that they are made for males again, whereas following your logic if you take the hoor to be for males you should take the ghulam for the females. In fact I think you are taking the Quranic ayas and adapting them to your theory and not the opposite. I know you like this theory very much. But it is just your theory and may be Plato's. Sexuation is necessary in the dunya for reproduction. In the akhira no reproduction that they Quran mentions nor death, therefore sexuation is meaninglesse females, but as far as the Quran states all be will be simply inhabitants of janna. Your assertion that those who can be rewarded by females cannot be females springs from your belief, not confirmed by Quraan, that the reward will be sexual physical activity. If you apply that to the ghulam you will come also the conclusion that the ghulam cannot be for males, they must be for females.
Again there is this aya where it is plainly stated that in these descriptions a language is used that must not be taken to the dot, but that its meaning is as images to describe something which we now are not able to see, except that those who do much good may feel something akin, and that is spiritual, it is not the feeling of having fun with the wife or the husband, although that may also be an allegory of something in paradise, but not sexual flesh activity like the one you seem to think that should be meant.
As to your theory of joining the nafs, there is not hint of that in the Quran, because in the Quran what came from one nafs were finally many, many nafs. And as to be joined, it seems that those that in sha Allah will attin janna will indeed by joined by the deepest bond, all of them, the love of God without the earthly veil. Being male or female is just part of the trial in this world and of this stafe of our return to Him. It is not stated as a condition in janna nor does the Quran say that each male and each female will be joined in one inhabitant of janna nor can I see that the way you derive that conclusion is warranted by the Quran. But, of course, we all know very little and Allah knows best.
Salaam
Serving will be immortal youths with jeweled and crystal cups filled with the purest wine which will neither give them headache nor hangover, with fruits and meats of their desire. They will be fair ones with lovely intense eyes like guarded pearls; A reward for the good deeds of their past life.? (5617-24)
?We have created mates for them and made them virgins, matched in age, for the companions of the right hand.? (5635-3?They will be chaste, restraining their eyes in modesty, never touched by man or Jinn."(5556)
?Serving them will be immortal servants. When you see them, they will look like scattered pearls.? (7619)
Allah mentions "them" as being the believers, not just men. And the "houris" as companions, not women
And i forget that aya where it says that ...there they will live with their family. so where Belal theory came from elektro -
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Peace all
I will not comment in my theory yet; but I will keep reading yours untill I come to my final comment; after all, it is still a hypotheses and not a proven theory.
And for Afridi, why do you keep changing your Flower color confused
handshakeCannot you see Allah in those flowers hmm
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Peace all
I will not comment in my theory yet; but I will keep reading yours untill I come to my final comment; after all, it is still a hypo't say theses and not a proven theory.
And for Afridi, why do you keep changing your Flower color confused
handshakeMind you, I don't blame you for having a theory. That is a way to go about studying things, an we all try to envision s plausibily as possible what we are not in a situation to know first hand. I wouldnt Say I have a theory. What I can envision now is the best I can come up with that satisfy my understanding. If that can be improved, I will take it. But our visions ar eall partial visions, still better than noghtin and if entertained in a spirit of improvement ans sincerity in sha Allah they will help.
Salaam Belal
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Immortal youths will wait upon them
with goblets, and ewers, and cups filled with water from unsullied springs
WILDAAN is both male and female from what I know... However, anyone with another view can reply to this.... So each one should get his due from this Ayah alone...
However, if we want to be sure, we should try TO GET PARADISE... sun
Peace
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Assalaam Alaikum
Believers / Muminuun, these are 'similitudes' NOT to be taken literally. Lets use our intellect / aql that Allah,swt has blessed the Believers / Muminuun.
Allah inspires and guides the soul of the Believers / Muminuun
(To the righteous soul will be said.) "O Soul, in (complete) rest and satisfaction!
Ya ayyatuha alnnafsu almutmainnatu
Allah disdains not to use the similitude of things {Allah uses similitudes, comparisons, examples, models], lowest as well as highest. Those who believe know that it is truth from their Lord; but those who reject Faith say. "What does Allah mean by this similitude?" By it He causes many to stray, and many He leads into the right path; but He causes not to stray, except those who forsake (the path),-
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Peace all
Cannot you see Allah in those flowers hmm
o; no one can see Allah, but yes, I can see God's Power when I look to this beautiful Flowers.
Mind you, I don't blame you for having a theory.
When you quoted me, you changed the Word "hypotheses" to "hypo't say theses"; Why?
Belalhamd, that that first soul was male you are inventing it, it is not in the Quran.
Adam was created first...right? then God created another human from Adam...right? this human was called Adam's wife...right? therefore, Adam had to be the Male...right?
You only take one instance where feminine is used in connection with hoor and ignore all the others where it can be either male or female and you ignore the ayas where females and males will be rewarded equally.
Show me a well-established verse that proves that Hoor are Males.
I agree that Male and Female will be rewarded equally, and that is why I proposed my vision, which says "Male and Female will be rewarded equally", simplly because there will be One Sex and not two Sexs.
I believe that the Two Sexs we have now is for production purpose.Now, if my vision is wrong, how Female will be rewarded equally to Male? Please support your vision using well-established verses.
I hope we can all reach the truth.
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Assalaam Aalaikum
So; and We shall join them to their spouses pure & clear
Kathalika wa zawwajnahum bihoorinBy the way 'Adam' is a model for both Male and Female.....
We said. "O Adam! dwell you and your spouse / ya adamu oskun anta wa zawjuka in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) you will; but approach not this tree, or you run into harm and transgression."
Gen 52 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
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Not sure. Any verses for both questions?
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O mankind! reverence your Guardian-Lord Who created you from a single soul, and created, of like nature, his mate and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women; fear Allah, through Whom ye demand your mutual (rights) and (reverence) the wombs (that bore you) for Allah ever watches over you.` (4-1)
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He created you (all) from a single soul, then created, of like nature, his mate; and He sent down for you eight head of cattle in pairs; He makes you, in the wombs of your mothers, in stages, one after another in three veils of darkness. Such is Allah your Lord and Cherisher, to Him belongs (all) dominion. There is no god but H, then how are ye turned away (39-6)
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Assalaam Alaikum
The patriarchal interpretation of human development is rather dated and obsolete. It stems from the same Biblical rendition that Eve/Woman was created from Adam/Man.
Nothing in the Quran suggests any patriarchal interpretation, that implies Men were developed 'first' and women came from Men, which is absurd to say the least.
Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; THEN WE DEVELOPED OUT OF IT ANOTHER CREATURE / anshanahu khalqan akhara . So blessed be Allah, the best to create!
ansha'nahu (perfect, 1st person, plural, verb form IV) We created
khalqan (noun) Creature, Creation
akhara meaning another, another of twoAnsha 'na or Nash 'ah This is the third and final phase of foetal development. Rapid cell division, differentiation (sex determination), development of sexual organs and growth leads to the formation of a definite human shape, PRIOR to Ansha 'na or Nash 'ah, the foetus has not developed any sexual organs. Yet it has taken on characteristics of a human form. Its NOT male or female in the initial stages of this phase.
Now the real question arises;
What is this 'other creation' that Allah is developing from the physical human form?
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Assalaam Alaikum
The patriarchal interpretation of human development is rather dated and obsolete. It stems from the same Biblical rendition that Eve/Woman was created from Adam/Man.
Nothing in the Quran suggests any patriarchal interpretation, that implies Men were developed 'first' and women came from Men, which is absurd to say the least.
Peace all
So, you are rejectig Adam story that were mentioned may times, and rejecting the verses that I posted in which God said that Adam's wife was created from him. Are you a Disbliever
Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; THEN WE DEVELOPED OUT OF IT ANOTHER CREATURE / anshanahu khalqan akhara . So blessed be Allah, the best to create!
Now the real question arises;
What is this 'other creation' that Allah is developing from the physical human form?
Humans when are delivered from thier mother womb are different from their first formation inside the womb.
Now are you going to missup this thread by going off topic? I think if you need to discuss your new issue, you should start another thread.
Focus in the topic if you want to help others in aswering the main question "what is the reward of Females in Jana tat equales Males" -
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O mankind! reverence your Guardian-Lord Who created you from a single soul, and created, of like nature, his mate and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women; fear Allah, through Whom ye demand your mutual (rights) and (reverence) the wombs (that bore you) for Allah ever watches over you.` (4-1)
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He created you (all) from a single soul, then created, of like nature, his mate; and He sent down for you eight head of cattle in pairs; He makes you, in the wombs of your mothers, in stages, one after another in three veils of darkness. Such is Allah your Lord and Cherisher, to Him belongs (all) dominion. There is no god but H, then how are ye turned away (39-6)
hmm... Most intriguing
so refers to one man i.e. Adam? confused